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I suppose it's understandable that there's concern about Philipe, but this thread is a knee jerk.  

This investigation is partly driven by the need to be seen to do something so the public image of the sport is kept nice and safe.  To infer that Brawn wouldn't take it seriously and that he might put performance before safety is a moronic, and I'd suggest that it might be a good idea to look at the frailty of Neweys designs in the past before pointing fingers and suggesting they should be parked - Adrian Newey is a genius, but many of his cars are ackowledged to have been borderline safe, and throw in the lack of testing... is anyone in any doubt that this type of event is now more likely than it was with testing?  There's no amount of testing back at the factory that can highlight what might happen on the track.

Whem Kimi had a piece of his exhaust flying off people said he should stop, and he didn't, but was there an investigation into why it happened? No, and the only reason is because it didn't hit someone.

Next time you see a driver with a loose front wing (we see this countless times) are you going to jump out of your seat shouting for him to stop before he kills someone?  Are you feck.  Will the loose wing have to be investigated?  Get real.

Of the countless times we've seen a flash of fire at refueling, nothing was said about banning it, but the line has been so fine before a major terrifying incident could happen that it was a damn good reason to make a judgement call based on frequency of occurence and degree of risk, yet this didn't happen.  If a driver and/or pit crew had been seriously injured in public view what do you think would have happened?  Don't you think it would have been banned?

Testing should be allowed to such an extent that major parts can be tested, and testing should be allowed for new guys to get mileage - if Jamie had hit a wall or another driver yesterday, would we be up in arms about his lack of experience? No, but if he had injured or killed someone, then you would.

The sad affair surrounding Henry, and the timing of Massa's terrible incident couldn't be worse, but again, this has helped to fuel the fire of panic.  The chances of both accidents are so small that it's one of the hundreds of tiny incidents that could happen again - but the sport would be ruined trying to cater for avery single possibility and eventuality.

So now we want to ban the risk of a part flying off a car. Won't happen.  And as for those of you that would react differnetly if it was a Renault, BMW, Red Bull etc, then you should follow boy bands and get out of this sport.

YES YES YES

How good it is to hear the Australian national Anthem at a F1 Grand Prix - The first time in my life. I find myself in my living room singing the national anthem (@11.45pm) i'm so happy.

Congratulations Mark Webber stella drive my man.

I would have thought that the FIA  would be the ruling body with reguards to this matter and not down to the teams to allow a bending of the rules, after all the FIA aint too cosy in bed with FOTA and they are the teams???.

As has been pointed out before "NO TESTING" so to me that means just that!!

Well what I think is the american driver has another priorities like NASCAR, as european and brazilian boy dream about drive at F1 american boy dream about NASCAR or INDY. beside has to be very convenient to have a very high paid champioship in your own contry

JHS, on 05 July 2009 - 08:22 PM, said:

Congratulations on entirely missing the point here.

El Maestro, on 04 July 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

Nobody says anything about Saddam because:
1) Jewish Organizations are more prominent throughout the Western world than Iraqi Organizations.
2) Between Hitler, the Holocaust and WW2 for one side, and Saddam Hussein (including his war against Iran, his killing of kurdish people and his Iraqi dictatorship), it doesn't take a genius to figure out who was the guy who caused more harm to the humanity as whole, and thus become more noticeably a figure of horror for everybody.
3) This doesn't lessen the fact that Saddam Hussein was every bit as evil and a mass murderer as Hitler and also as condemnable. He just wasn't able to spread it further.

Now, back to Hermann Ecclestone:

1) While it is true that he didn't defend racism or the racist side of Nazism per se, he took a mass murderer and used him as "an example of leadership". Why not Charles Manson? He also got things done. He was quite a leader, he got a few teenaged girls to kill in the most horrible way a couple of families and their guests. A kid's game compared to Hitler. Why not Fidel Castro? He got a lot more things done, he maitnained his power for half a century and even if you choose to believe the worst version of Fidel Castro as stated by the most prominent anti Castro member of the CIA, the guy was nowhere as close to killing millions as Hitler or Saddam.(And no, I do not support Castro in any way)

2) We discused this many times before. Freedom of speech (or any other right, for that matter) are not absolute values. Just as free enterprise does not let you have a company of child porn, or right to private property does not allow you to build a drug manufacturing plant in your bathroom. Freedom of speech does not allow you to defend crimes. Certainly Bernie didn't defend Hitler's crimes. He only defended the fact that trains were on scheduled under nazism or something like that Curiously enough, that was the excuse most Germans and pro nazi people around the world always used to support Hitler without openly admitting that they admire him for the obvious. He might not be punishable by law, but he will be condemned by society. I hope so, at least, if we really have a sensible society and not just a bunch of selfish, coward and violent people.

3) Like Eric and wapi said, Bernie cannot act all naive about all this. He knows what he is talking about, he know the implications (unless he is really senile). I have no sympathy for such a light take on one of the worst dramas in the history of Humankind. Putting Hitler as a leadership example is malicious, cretinous and cruel. Believing that he did it in good faith is not one of your finest moments, George, sorry.

4) This is MY use of freedom of speech. And right now the Jewish Organizations throughout the world are asking for him to step down based on THEIR freedom of speech. He deserves everything that will come to him for this.

JayStorm, on 27 June 2009 - 09:32 PM, said:

He was barely average when he was dumped by Renault. How has sitting around, not driving in F1 and writing sh!t music made him awesome?

JayStorm, on 27 June 2009 - 09:40 PM, said:

Well bollock me, that bloke'd be the bees knees as pres'dent.  I 'ave to consider 'aving a bid for the title, but I 'ave 'ad me knickers in a twist over being so rubbish at ent'ring me team in Formula 1.  I've a bit of a grude with those barmy blokes, that FIA.  They've all gone a bit sad and I'm a bit cheesed off 'bout the whole thing, if I was in charge they'd all be doing porridge.  I 'ave been 'aving a cracking time in me castle these days, I do live in a castle, though I'm sure you know, you're Bri'ish, so you live in a castle too, do you not?  Ah, fiddle sticks, I've no real int'rest in doin' such a thing, no need for porkies, I really am fine just selling Aston Martins and wearing bowler hats and going to the zoo to see Welsh people, like all normal Bri'ish people do, it's a smashing time really.  Jolly good to 'ave a chat with a fan of mine, though, thanks for the int'rest.  I 'ave to spend a penny now so 'ave a grand day.  Toodle pip.

-Dave

(please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers the many posts I made impersonating Dave Richards on my old account).

El Maestro, on 27 June 2009 - 07:42 PM, said:

Yeah, I like how it lists your interests on the sidebar, because it makes your posts take up more space, which is really reprsentative of real life, with you needing to purchase five seats to fly on an airplane and all.

Piotr, on 20 August 2009 - 02:51 AM, said:

well that was cus lewis, rubens and nick ARE better than robert. and jenson is not that impressive, let's go back to past years when he didn't have the best car on the grid. people seem to forget all the other yrs jens raced, just because he is winning now.

as for fernando, im not his fan, and i don't even like him, but still, he is doing miracles in that sh***y car he's got. oh yes because a driver must impress me either in a good car AND a bad car. being the best in a brawn / red bull seems easy this season, like in a mclaren / ferrari has been in past years.

just so u know, nick is still ahead of robert in wdc it's not because he won a race in which lewis played bowling with all the competitive cars on pitlane that he's gon go up in my list, maybe on urs, not mine. and no, nick is not the best driver in the world, but sorry robert isn't any better.

love u too.

wapi, on 04 August 2009 - 09:09 PM, said:

Frank Williams is one of the last honourable men left in the pitlane. He acted correctly and didn't betray his principals. I disagreed with him when he didn't harness BMW but now look where they are. He may be old but he still knows a thing or two.

On the contrary, what BMW are saying is "we're Sh#t, and we're leaving because we have no perseverance".

LabradoRacer, on 04 August 2009 - 03:04 PM, said:

I don't refuse, I just don't have enough time. Anyway, I never use to go to cinema as a kid till I was a teenager, my father use to own a wonderful projector. He loved James Bond, we've seen every one of them. Then depending what was available on reel, I've seen alot of the classics, the Chuck movies, Eastwood spaghetti westerns, it was just so cool watching it againts whitecloth wall projection. I'm happy for the experience...

A petulant an unnecessary outburst from Maranello, but quite in character.

I heard from a guy who worked for Copersucar, who knows a guy from Eurobrun, who is related to one of Osella's mechanics, that lives next door from a guy from Zakspeed, that went to college with a guy that used to work at Fitipaldi team, that is a close friend of a guy that resembles quite a bit another guy that used to work for Leyton House which told me that, allegedly, today is your birthday!

So happy birthday, mate! Cheers, cars, girls and long live rock and roll.  

pabloh20, on 02 August 2009 - 01:09 PM, said:

Well, it is not as if would be the first time you ask me that!

(P.S.: yes, let's go!)

Nah you got that one wrong, Paul would not use a condom

Without taking anything away from Schu's skills (as if that's possible!), what if not allowing him to test the '09 car leads to some disastrous accident? I don't know much tech wise, but if the '09 car is a vastly different beast from what he drove last, he has a right to test it. Again, I say, FOTA has no problems in allowing him to do so. Do you think they don't care for rules?

pabloh20, on 31 July 2009 - 01:35 PM, said:

you still don't believe me? Paul, I'm serious here

El Maestro, on 31 July 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

I just realise, how could it not occur to me.....I guess you're more a Schumacher fan than a Kimi fan...am I right?


There's not alot of you around, that is, a Schumacher turned Kimi fan.