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Posted by monza gorilla , 29 February 2008 · 70 views

Hands up who believes in ghosts? And if you do, what do you think they are? Spirits of the departed? Echoes? A glimpse into another time as through a fogged window? Or the invention of a (wine) befuddled mind?
Happenings chez Gorilla these past months have made me consider all of the possibilities above. Chez Gorilla was built in the 1870s (we think, certainly no later) and a house has stood here, in one form or another, at least since the 1500s. Possibly earlier. That's a lot of activity over a long period of time.  Anyway, one fine evening, Mrs Gorilla called from the living room (I was in the North wing) to say that she had seen some farming type chap emerge from the wall and wander out through the bay window. Oh, how I laughed. Nice one, Mrs G. I almost fell for that one. Except that she was serious. That could mean only one thing! Our house was haun She was out of her mind on cheap booze. Again. So I humoured her. Seems there was a little arched doorway next to our fireplace, and the apparition came from there. All I could see was wallpaper. So I let it rest.
Some weeks later, I arrived home to find the basin tap (faucet, for our colonial friends) running in the bathroom. I immediately suggested to Mrs Gorilla that she had simply forgotten to turn it off. Not so, quoth she, as she had not been into the bathroom all day. Again, I let it rest. And thought to myself, poor old girl's memory is going. It happened again last week. And I couldn't explain it this time. That tap was definitely off. And then it was definitely on. Not a drip or a trickle but full bore. And nobody had set foot in that room. Bugger. So a thorough investigation was launched. Outcome? There's sod all wrong with the tap. Curious.
On Monday this week I was working late at home, Mrs G being out fixing people, and getting mightily p!ssed off with whoever it was opening and closing doors around the place. No draughts. No open windows. Perhaps the cat is cleverer than I thought. Bloody annoying. Almost as annoying as the TV turning itself on in the wee hours of the morning. Forgot to mention that. And I know exactly what the little arched door looks like 'cos I've seen that as well.
So, what to think? Joint hallucination? Peculiar atmospheric phenomena? Ley lines? Pixies and nymphs? Over active imagination? Rioja overdose? Who knows. I certainly don't.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on this.

p.s. research reveals that the name of chez Gorilla (Little Barton) means small barley field, or farm. I see a project coming on.

Russ

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Can't help you there. I don't believe in God/UFOs/ghosts/astrology/spoonbenders/Toyota.
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Since 'ghosts' are a fairly esoteric topic, I'll wax esoteric. Nothing is provable and we're left with a flimsy sort of guide called 'belief'. Here's my 'belief': I am a Christian. This means that my belief is based on the old and the new testaments (as well as other related texts, but I'll forget those for this). According to the texts of my religion, once the silver cord parts and the clay pot breaks, the spirit goes back to the Father that gave it. That leaves no room for ghosts walking around. Yet people have seen these things. People have talked to mediums and gotten accurate information from psychics and people have channeled past lives. Are these experiences bunk? No.

One common thread with these things recently is that they form a religion of sorts around them. Paranormals and the like trying to investigate them. The effect of this is to draw people away from God and towards something Else. When Christ walked on water it was called a miracle, yet that isn't the important part is that Peter also walked on the water...as long as he kept looking at Christ. Take your eyes of Him and you sink. That's the moral and it applies here. All of this is having the effect of taking people's eyes from Christ. There's only one persona in my belief system that would want to do this; I say the cause is demonics. It sounds crazy, but perhaps no more or less crazier than seeing ghosts in the first place. ;)
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I believe in ghost/spirits 100%

Back in the '80's we moved into a house that a recently departed 88 year old "grandma" had vacated(ie: died) from the neighbors we found that she cooked for the whole area, cakes, pies etc. from scratch.

When we moved in we used a microwave to cook things with and sudenly the once reliablr nuc. machine was not, cupboards slamed in the day and night and other things happenend.

I'm a believer.
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:lol:  Strange happenings alright in Little Barton!  Who'd have thunk it?  It sounds like such a tranquil, peaceful asylum neck o' th' woods in our green and pleasant land.  I think this is important enough that you must make sure you get to the bottom of it.  First thing would be to inform the whole village so as weaker souls don't have heart attacks from the shock of seeing a ghost.  Perhaps you should organise a parish meeting, where you will advise those with less experience of ghosts on how to fend them off, without hurting their feelings (Casper should be required viewing, but you know that).  If you can't make contact with the ghosts, the police should certainly be called in - even ghosts must obey the law of the land after all.  I'm sure the police will be very helpful but if not, there are TV shows that will show the whole nation just how serious the problem is. In the meantime, while you're going through this and the entire village is depending on you, maybe stay off the Rioja!  :P
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monza gorilla
Mar 01 2008 04:31 PM
Fend them off, Murray? All I want is for them to make less noise. The parish council would probably throw me into the duck pond to see if I floated.
Maybe it's a Yattering, Mike? But I'm sure that, in the scheme of things, wasting my hot water doesn't score that highly on the malevolence front.
I don't buy the past lives business. The numbers don't add up. Simple mathematics.

Echoes, or a window in time. That's my supposition. Not sentient.

Thanks for the comments guys. Even Andres, who probably doesn't even believe we exist  ^_^ .
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:lol: For the record, I saw a ghost once, and a UFO another time. I just don't think the ghost was actually a ghost, or the UFO actually some interplanetary ship. If I have to choose between ghosts (which would make us rewrite our whole corpus of science) and optical illusions, I will choose to believe that what I saw was an optical illusion, until proven wrong. It is easier for me to believe that my senses deceived me, than to believe that centuries of scientific discoveries by thousands of our most brilliant minds were wrong.

That does not mean I would never believe they were wrong. Just that I need evidence at least as impressive as the claim made. UFOs are a posibility, of course. Alien civilizations are a posibility. But if I have to believe that a race of green dwarves is visiting us, I'd rather wait for something concrete, like an oficial visit (after all, they travelled for years, or millenia) and not a bunch of pics that invariably are too grainy and out of focus, when even a 5 years old can take a pic on focus nowadays.

As for ghosts, they make no sense in my current logical world. If they exist. I am hoping for something that can be measured, or see them under conditions that can be reproduced.

Bah, what do I know? :D
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monza gorilla
Mar 01 2008 08:47 PM
Sensible chap. On the off topic (if this counts as a topic at all) subject of UFOs, I've always thought that we'd be the last place any advanced sorts would want to visit. Imagine, you've spent millennia dragging yourselves out of the mud and managed to develop interstellar transport. Would you want to visit your backward cousins on the edge of nowhere?
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My exact thoughts.
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Hilarious comments on UFOs, Russ! On the Yattering front...it might be! Just act like nothing is happening until you really cause it to lose it's temper...then you've got it! I don't know what you'd do with it...perhaps send it to Andres' house?
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monza gorilla
Mar 03 2008 06:02 PM
I could think of no finer recipient.
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No problem!

We are talking the girls-in-catsuit type of aliens, right?
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