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Posted 13 February 2009 - 08:23 PM
I have a big question...
Is Mclaren using a 2009 back wing in testing?
look this picture taken in cars launch
and now in testing, the wing is completly different, it looks like last years wing...
I know they can test anything they want, but seems that their times are not so true...
well, lets see
Is Mclaren using a 2009 back wing in testing?
look this picture taken in cars launch
and now in testing, the wing is completly different, it looks like last years wing...
I know they can test anything they want, but seems that their times are not so true...
well, lets see
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Posted 13 February 2009 - 08:52 PM
I've read it is last year's wing which gives .5 s.
They need it to beat Alonso's .6 extra seconds.
They need it to beat Alonso's .6 extra seconds.
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Posted 13 February 2009 - 11:21 PM
AleHop, on Feb 13 2009, 02:52 PM, said:
I've read it is last year's wing which gives .5 s.
They need it to beat Alonso's .6 extra seconds.
They need it to beat Alonso's .6 extra seconds.
The Mclaren boys are not even trying to go fast.....Yet..... when they do try.... look out!!!
Same goes for Ferrari they are just tooling around learning about the new aero and slicks.
Trust it. they will be faster than they look right now
We on the other hand, don't know much till the first race!
Edited by spitfire, 13 February 2009 - 11:21 PM.
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Posted 14 February 2009 - 10:48 AM
That is defo a wing for last year in the pictures.
Sandbagging in testing is a good idea. Your rivals think they have you and then you turn up at the first race and blow them away.
Sandbagging in testing is a good idea. Your rivals think they have you and then you turn up at the first race and blow them away.
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Posted 14 February 2009 - 01:26 PM
It was a bit of a joke but I heard they are using last year's wing because they have a new one (2009 spec) which provides similar performance in the wind tunnel.
None of them are trying just to be fast at the moment. They have a lot of work to do first but McLaren did everything they could to beat Alonso in the last couple of laps in Jerez.
I think we'll know a bit more about the truth soon. Maybe in Jerez again 2, 3, 4... of March with all the teams on track. Or maybe in Montmel Feb 25, 26, 27... Let's see.
None of them are trying just to be fast at the moment. They have a lot of work to do first but McLaren did everything they could to beat Alonso in the last couple of laps in Jerez.
I think we'll know a bit more about the truth soon. Maybe in Jerez again 2, 3, 4... of March with all the teams on track. Or maybe in Montmel Feb 25, 26, 27... Let's see.
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Posted 14 February 2009 - 01:43 PM
AleHop, on Feb 14 2009, 01:26 PM, said:
It was a bit of a joke but I heard they are using last year's wing because they have a new one (2009 spec) which provides similar performance in the wind tunnel.
None of them are trying just to be fast at the moment. They have a lot of work to do first but McLaren did everything they could to beat Alonso in the last couple of laps in Jerez.
I think we'll know a bit more about the truth soon. Maybe in Jerez again 2, 3, 4... of March with all the teams on track. Or maybe in Montmel Feb 25, 26, 27... Let's see.
None of them are trying just to be fast at the moment. They have a lot of work to do first but McLaren did everything they could to beat Alonso in the last couple of laps in Jerez.
I think we'll know a bit more about the truth soon. Maybe in Jerez again 2, 3, 4... of March with all the teams on track. Or maybe in Montmel Feb 25, 26, 27... Let's see.
It did seem that way, didn't it?
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Posted 14 February 2009 - 02:33 PM
Looks like a 2008-spec rear wing!
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 08:41 AM
AleHop, on Feb 14 2009, 02:26 PM, said:
It was a bit of a joke but I heard they are using last year's wing because they have a new one (2009 spec) which provides similar performance in the wind tunnel.
None of them are trying just to be fast at the moment. They have a lot of work to do first but McLaren did everything they could to beat Alonso in the last couple of laps in Jerez.
I think we'll know a bit more about the truth soon. Maybe in Jerez again 2, 3, 4... of March with all the teams on track. Or maybe in Montmel Feb 25, 26, 27... Let's see.
None of them are trying just to be fast at the moment. They have a lot of work to do first but McLaren did everything they could to beat Alonso in the last couple of laps in Jerez.
I think we'll know a bit more about the truth soon. Maybe in Jerez again 2, 3, 4... of March with all the teams on track. Or maybe in Montmel Feb 25, 26, 27... Let's see.
Hi Alehop!
Truly missed your Alonso Posts!
Wow, Mclaren spending Millions of dollars like adding wings, removing them, tuning them just to beat Alonso in what I call as a cheap ego race! wow!
We all expect a tough battle with you and Maure this season.
Edited by abbas_gear, 15 February 2009 - 08:51 AM.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 08:44 AM
mikathegreat2, on Feb 14 2009, 03:33 PM, said:
Looks like a 2008-spec rear wing!
That Mclaren is beautiful though!
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 08:52 AM
When I saw this car in action, it looked seriously under-developed with Hamilton wringing it's neck off. Looks like a 2008 spec ride with a paint job.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 10:35 AM
abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 06:41 AM, said:
Hi Alehop!
Truly missed your Alonso Posts!
Wow, Mclaren spending Millions of dollars like adding wings, removing them, tuning them just to beat Alonso in what I call as a cheap ego race! wow!
We all expect a tough battle with you and Maure this season.
Truly missed your Alonso Posts!
Wow, Mclaren spending Millions of dollars like adding wings, removing them, tuning them just to beat Alonso in what I call as a cheap ego race! wow!
We all expect a tough battle with you and Maure this season.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 10:49 AM
abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 09:41 AM, said:
Wow, Mclaren spending Millions of dollars like adding wings, removing them, tuning them just to beat Alonso in what I call as a cheap ego race! wow!
Probably Quiet One's is a better answer.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 11:07 AM
AleHop, on Feb 15 2009, 08:49 AM, said:
Isn't that what Formula One is all about?
Probably Quiet One's is a better answer.
Probably Quiet One's is a better answer.
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Quiet One, on Feb 15 2009, 11:35 AM, said:
Actually, the car that was being tested by Macca was not a full 2009 spec car. And Lewis admiteddly ran his last laps with a very light fuel load. I don't think it was a cheap ego race. More of a mind game. Macca needed to top the sheets to send a message to Ferrari, stuck due to that stupid Baharin test. Renault F1 needs to give some results to their management before they guillotine Flavio. And both Lewis and Nando would be glad to race to the limit, of course. But my guess is that, among the drivers, it was a playful thing.
Common Andres, how can you blindly say such things? Mclaren would send a message to Ferrari when they both are on the same track, not in diffrent ones, Lewis might have been practicing qualifying runs, we know from the last couple of seaons that Mclaren usualy load their cars with fuel. Renault and Mclaren were just testing their cars and having fun, nothing to prove to each other, everyone knows Renault is strong this season. Yes you are right, amongst the drivers they were just playing, may be Lewis said, 'ho! Nado has gone quciker, bloody eye brows! guys drain the fuel'.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 01:02 PM
AleHop, on Feb 15 2009, 11:49 AM, said:
Isn't that what Formula One is all about?
Probably Quiet One's is a better answer.
Probably Quiet One's is a better answer.
but as usual, you always fail to provide supports for your theories, but anyways, good to have you back Alehop!
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 01:47 PM
abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 11:01 AM, said:
Common Andres, how can you blindly say such things? Mclaren would send a message to Ferrari when they both are on the same track, not in diffrent ones, Lewis might have been practicing qualifying runs, we know from the last couple of seaons that Mclaren usualy load their cars with fuel. Renault and Mclaren were just testing their cars and having fun, nothing to prove to each other, everyone knows Renault is strong this season. Yes you are right, amongst the drivers they were just playing, may be Lewis said, 'ho! Nado has gone quciker, bloody eye brows! guys drain the fuel'.
Ok, here we go:
1) The message they wanted to deliver to Ferrari is "beware, we are the fastest here...how are you doing there?".
2) I am sure it wasn't just a mind game, of course both Renault and Macca were trying qualy runs when they posted their best times. It IS useful to know how fast you can go every now and then during your programme. And I don't think there is anything that Macca has to prove to Renault, but I think that Renault has lots to prove to their own management in these days of cost cutting fests.
3) I like to think that the drivers were just taking their antagonism to a fun level. I hope they had fun!
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Quiet One, on Feb 15 2009, 10:35 AM, said:
Actually, the car that was being tested by Macca was not a full 2009 spec car. And Lewis admiteddly ran his last laps with a very light fuel load. I don't think it was a cheap ego race. More of a mind game. Macca needed to top the sheets to send a message to Ferrari, stuck due to that stupid Baharin test. Renault F1 needs to give some results to their management before they guillotine Flavio. And both Lewis and Nando would be glad to race to the limit, of course. But my guess is that, among the drivers, it was a playful thing.
I thought McLaren was sand-bagging all day until I found out about the '08 rear wing... something is up if all McLaren's got on Renault is 2 tenths, quali setup or no quali setup...
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:13 PM
Quiet One, on Feb 15 2009, 12:07 PM, said:
My replies are always better. No need to state the obvious
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abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 02:02 PM, said:
but as usual, you always fail to provide supports for your theories, but anyways, good to have you back Alehop! Thank you abbas!
PS.- I have a good link http://www.motor21.c...dt=315&nt=59948 It's is in Spanish but they are not biased about what they see during a testing. They tell you what they see.
Edited by AleHop, 15 February 2009 - 02:20 PM.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:21 PM
abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 08:44 AM, said:
That Mclaren is beautiful though!
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:25 PM
mikathegreat2, on Feb 15 2009, 03:21 PM, said:
You sure you're not looking at Lewis??
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Quiet One, on Feb 15 2009, 02:47 PM, said:
Oh, all of this is just something I pulled out of my behind as usual.
Ok, here we go:
1) The message they wanted to deliver to Ferrari is "beware, we are the fastest here...how are you doing there?".
2) I am sure it wasn't just a mind game, of course both Renault and Macca were trying qualy runs when they posted their best times. It IS useful to know how fast you can go every now and then during your programme. And I don't think there is anything that Macca has to prove to Renault, but I think that Renault has lots to prove to their own management in these days of cost cutting fests.
3) I like to think that the drivers were just taking their antagonism to a fun level. I hope they had fun!
Ok, here we go:
1) The message they wanted to deliver to Ferrari is "beware, we are the fastest here...how are you doing there?".
2) I am sure it wasn't just a mind game, of course both Renault and Macca were trying qualy runs when they posted their best times. It IS useful to know how fast you can go every now and then during your programme. And I don't think there is anything that Macca has to prove to Renault, but I think that Renault has lots to prove to their own management in these days of cost cutting fests.
3) I like to think that the drivers were just taking their antagonism to a fun level. I hope they had fun!
Yes, let them have fun, I am sure we are the ones who are going to have the most fun watching them race this season.
So, this season, we are going to have,
Mclaren, Ferrari, BMW, Reno, RBR and STR fighting for podiums! Hope Toyota and williams are in the mix too!
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 04:04 PM
Quiet One, on Feb 15 2009, 02:47 PM, said:
Oh, all of this is just something I pulled out of my behind as usual.
Ok, here we go:
1) The message they wanted to deliver to Ferrari is "beware, we are the fastest here...how are you doing there?".
2) I am sure it wasn't just a mind game, of course both Renault and Macca were trying qualy runs when they posted their best times. It IS useful to know how fast you can go every now and then during your programme. And I don't think there is anything that Macca has to prove to Renault, but I think that Renault has lots to prove to their own management in these days of cost cutting fests.
3) I like to think that the drivers were just taking their antagonism to a fun level. I hope they had fun!
Ok, here we go:
1) The message they wanted to deliver to Ferrari is "beware, we are the fastest here...how are you doing there?".
2) I am sure it wasn't just a mind game, of course both Renault and Macca were trying qualy runs when they posted their best times. It IS useful to know how fast you can go every now and then during your programme. And I don't think there is anything that Macca has to prove to Renault, but I think that Renault has lots to prove to their own management in these days of cost cutting fests.
3) I like to think that the drivers were just taking their antagonism to a fun level. I hope they had fun!
Yes, let them have fun, I am sure we are the ones who are going to have the most fun watching them race this season.
So, this season, we are going to have,
Mclaren, Ferrari, BMW, Reno, RBR and STR fighting for podiums! Hope Toyota and williams are in the mix too!
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AleHop, on Feb 15 2009, 03:25 PM, said:
I'm sure he was looking at the Renault in the dark...
I see through a pair of spectacles, not Tes.....!Anyways, Mclaren wins the beauty contest! I just wish those green lines were orange. (on tyres)
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abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 02:04 PM, said:
Yes, let them have fun, I am sure we are the ones who are going to have the most fun watching them race this season.
So, this season, we are going to have,
Mclaren, Ferrari, BMW, Reno, RBR and STR fighting for podiums! Hope Toyota and williams are in the mix too!
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Quiet One, on Feb 15 2009, 05:27 PM, said:
Oh, I wouldn't be so sure. We usually see a more levelled field during tests than during the season. My guess is that it will still be a two horse race. It's the name of the animals that will race that are unknown yet...
I have a feeling that this season almost every team will have the chance to win or finish on podiums.
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abbas_gear, on Feb 15 2009, 08:03 PM, said:
I have a feeling that this season almost every team will have the chance to win or finish on podiums.
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Posted 15 February 2009 - 08:21 PM
AleHop, on Feb 15 2009, 08:10 PM, said:
It could be true but you should know who is going to have that chance on a regular basis. There could be more than one team/driver in that situation but maybe one shines above all. Maybe the ugly one?
I hope he gets to win few races, if he has another disappointing season, then he is going to end up like this! Edited by abbas_gear, 15 February 2009 - 08:21 PM.
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For a few drivers a World Championship can make the difference between a fantastic and a disappointing season. That's life. 
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