Okay - I'm bored and this is my 'local' GP so let's be avin ya.
Might a couple more teams surprise us with a new diffuser?
Will Button continue his winning streak?
Is it Barichello's turn?
Could the court case losers be out for blood?
Which other teams will this circuit suit?
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:06 AM
adamstrags, on Apr 15 2009, 11:40 AM, said:
Okay - I'm bored and this is my 'local' ................
Okay - I'm bored and this is my 'local' GP so let's be avin ya.
Wish it was mine too, we have an office in Nanjing and I'd love to time a visit there with the GP (well, that's bollocks, I'd be going 'cos the ladies are amazing
)Might a couple more teams surprise us with a new diffuser?
Renault, maybe McLaren will take the blanking plates off their first effort to try it out.
Will Button continue his winning streak?
Hope so
Is it Barichello's turn?
Hope not, but he's proven pretty handy here
Could the court case losers be out for blood?
Doubt it Adam, the Piranha Club will just go back to normal
Which other teams will this circuit suit?
Red Bull will be much closer, and maybe Ferrari - if they can avoid another impression of headless chickens again.
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 04:55 PM
Adam you can be our illegal diffuser correspondent!
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 06:14 PM
Maiden win for Toyota! (i´ve just bought a Corolla at my job; we need strong capitalization right now!)
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 06:35 PM
F*k me sideways Argento!
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 06:41 PM
It should be good, although I have no idea what will happen.
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TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 15 2009, 07:35 PM, said:
F*k me sideways Argento!
If Toyota do win the race, I'll put on a Manchester United & Ferrari sig picture!
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TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 15 2009, 09:49 PM, said:
OK, if Piquet survives this season without getting sacked, I'll eat my own pubes!
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TGLeungd Forever, on Apr 15 2009, 04:08 PM, said:
oh come on, I wanted to f*ck you sideways =P
If Toyota do win the race, I'll put on a Manchester United & Ferrari sig picture!
If Toyota do win the race, I'll put on a Manchester United & Ferrari sig picture!
...and I will put a croissant pic as my avatar!
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Perhaps some new car bits for Renault? Can't wait for friday practice.
Perhaps some new car bits for Renault? Can't wait for friday practice.
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 07:38 PM
TGLeungd Forever, on Apr 15 2009, 08:08 PM, said:
oh come on, I wanted to f*ck you sideways =P
If Toyota do win the race, I'll put on a Manchester United & Ferrari sig picture!
If Toyota do win the race, I'll put on a Manchester United & Ferrari sig picture!
Argento, on Apr 15 2009, 08:19 PM, said:
...and I will put a croissant pic as my avatar!
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 08:46 PM
TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 15 2009, 08:38 PM, said:
Surely not, in both cases!
Yeah, i'm Serious
I said on another forum, that IF Jenson Button wins the Aussie GP, i'll join their Fantasy Wrestling ... and i've joined
maybe we should do these sorts of bets, it could be fun
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TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 15 2009, 09:49 PM, said:
OK, if Piquet survives this season without getting sacked, I'll eat my own pubes!
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TGLeungd Forever, on Apr 15 2009, 09:46 PM, said:
Yeah, i'm Serious
I said on another forum, that IF Jenson Button wins the Aussie GP, i'll join their Fantasy Wrestling ... and i've joined
maybe we should do these sorts of bets, it could be fun
I said on another forum, that IF Jenson Button wins the Aussie GP, i'll join their Fantasy Wrestling ... and i've joined
maybe we should do these sorts of bets, it could be fun
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Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:59 PM
TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 15 2009, 09:49 PM, said:
OK, if Piquet survives this season without getting sacked, I'll eat my own pubes!
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TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 15 2009, 09:49 PM, said:
OK, if Piquet survives this season without getting sacked, I'll eat my own pubes!
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A bit of news:
Source:http://www.formula1....009/4/9180.html
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KERS for Kubica but not Ferrari in China
This weekend's Chinese Grand Prix is set to see different cars using KERS. Robert Kubica is expected to test BMW Sauber's system in Friday practice, while Ferrari will run without theirs following problems at the last round in Malaysia.
To date BMW Sauber have only raced KERS on the car of Kubica's much lighter team mate Nick Heidfeld, who suffers less from the weight penalty that comes with using the system. However, with the team believing the layout of the Shanghai circuit could bring benefits even to the Pole, they plan to use Friday's practice sessions to find out.
In contrast, Ferrari have opted to drop their KERS system for the China weekend after the reliability issues that hit Kimi Raikkonen at Sepang, instead choosing to focus on other elements of the F60's performance, which has thus far proved disappointing, failing to bring the world champions a single point.
The other teams that used KERS in Australia and Malaysia - McLaren and Renault - are both expected to continue with their systems in Shanghai.
This weekend's Chinese Grand Prix is set to see different cars using KERS. Robert Kubica is expected to test BMW Sauber's system in Friday practice, while Ferrari will run without theirs following problems at the last round in Malaysia.
To date BMW Sauber have only raced KERS on the car of Kubica's much lighter team mate Nick Heidfeld, who suffers less from the weight penalty that comes with using the system. However, with the team believing the layout of the Shanghai circuit could bring benefits even to the Pole, they plan to use Friday's practice sessions to find out.
In contrast, Ferrari have opted to drop their KERS system for the China weekend after the reliability issues that hit Kimi Raikkonen at Sepang, instead choosing to focus on other elements of the F60's performance, which has thus far proved disappointing, failing to bring the world champions a single point.
The other teams that used KERS in Australia and Malaysia - McLaren and Renault - are both expected to continue with their systems in Shanghai.
Source:http://www.formula1....009/4/9180.html
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freaky2, on Apr 16 2009, 11:48 AM, said:
Now lets see how fast can Ferraris go without them....But they are taking off the system in a track where they are most useful.....
So does it mean BMWs wont be using KERS in slower tracks like Monaco?
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Alonso slams 'ridiculous' tyre choice
By Jonathan Noble and Simon Strang Thursday, April 16th 2009, 08:46 GMT
Double world champion Fernando Alonso is 'very worried' about Bridgestone's decision to bring super-soft compounds as the option tyre for this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix, the Spaniard saying it is entirely unsuited to the abrasive nature of the Shanghai circuit.
The Renault driver claims that the use of the tyre makes the drivers 'look ridiculous' because of the time differential between the option and prime rubber - which was as much as six seconds when the super-soft and hard tyres were used in Australia.
"I think it is the worst decision they made in a long time, because it is a ridiculous tyre for here, for Shanghai," he said.
"I don't know if Bridgestone made the decision or the FIA, but they have to reconsider this type of decision because we look ridiculous on television and we look ridiculous for the spectators, and it is a joke to be in front of TV six seconds slower.
"We will need to change the tyres after five or six laps, is our calculation, because this track is harder than Melbourne and there we only did eight or nine laps.
"And if they want to be funny and mix the results and have overtaking, they can do a better job – a funny solution, maybe they can put us on the wet tyres or something. Like this it looks more spectacular – the difference in the speed. I don't know...
"I'm very worried about this and I'm very sad about this, because we look strange in front of people."
Alonso also revealed that the drivers have not been consulted on which tyres should be used, and added that the Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA) expressed their fears over safety on the issue following the Australian Grand Prix, when Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel collided while contesting second place.
"We expressed our concerns after Australia, after the accident of Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel – it was due to the difference of the speed," he said.
"He (Kubica) tried to overtake, Vettel was not in control of the car with that tyre, you cannot brake, you cannot turn-in, you cannot do anything. And then Robert had a big crash after that because he damaged the car.
"Then we expressed our concerns and now in the third race we have the same tyre at a worse circuit. This is something that we need to change immediately."
Alonso added that he considered both the super-soft and the hard tyres to be unsuited to Shanghai.
"I think the super-soft on this type of circuit with long, high-speed corners... in Turn 1 it will be destroyed and in Turn 10 there will be no more left tyre.
"One will be too hard and one will be too soft. The right tyre is at home! The soft tyre is at home, and this happened in Australia as well. And the understanding that this is for a better show, for overtaking...
"As I said, for a better show, maybe we can pick up our number and then whoever picks up number 15 can put on wet tyres, or whatever, and it is a better show and it's funny. Like this it is not funny."
By Jonathan Noble and Simon Strang Thursday, April 16th 2009, 08:46 GMT
Double world champion Fernando Alonso is 'very worried' about Bridgestone's decision to bring super-soft compounds as the option tyre for this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix, the Spaniard saying it is entirely unsuited to the abrasive nature of the Shanghai circuit.
The Renault driver claims that the use of the tyre makes the drivers 'look ridiculous' because of the time differential between the option and prime rubber - which was as much as six seconds when the super-soft and hard tyres were used in Australia.
"I think it is the worst decision they made in a long time, because it is a ridiculous tyre for here, for Shanghai," he said.
"I don't know if Bridgestone made the decision or the FIA, but they have to reconsider this type of decision because we look ridiculous on television and we look ridiculous for the spectators, and it is a joke to be in front of TV six seconds slower.
"We will need to change the tyres after five or six laps, is our calculation, because this track is harder than Melbourne and there we only did eight or nine laps.
"And if they want to be funny and mix the results and have overtaking, they can do a better job – a funny solution, maybe they can put us on the wet tyres or something. Like this it looks more spectacular – the difference in the speed. I don't know...
"I'm very worried about this and I'm very sad about this, because we look strange in front of people."
Alonso also revealed that the drivers have not been consulted on which tyres should be used, and added that the Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA) expressed their fears over safety on the issue following the Australian Grand Prix, when Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel collided while contesting second place.
"We expressed our concerns after Australia, after the accident of Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel – it was due to the difference of the speed," he said.
"He (Kubica) tried to overtake, Vettel was not in control of the car with that tyre, you cannot brake, you cannot turn-in, you cannot do anything. And then Robert had a big crash after that because he damaged the car.
"Then we expressed our concerns and now in the third race we have the same tyre at a worse circuit. This is something that we need to change immediately."
Alonso added that he considered both the super-soft and the hard tyres to be unsuited to Shanghai.
"I think the super-soft on this type of circuit with long, high-speed corners... in Turn 1 it will be destroyed and in Turn 10 there will be no more left tyre.
"One will be too hard and one will be too soft. The right tyre is at home! The soft tyre is at home, and this happened in Australia as well. And the understanding that this is for a better show, for overtaking...
"As I said, for a better show, maybe we can pick up our number and then whoever picks up number 15 can put on wet tyres, or whatever, and it is a better show and it's funny. Like this it is not funny."
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DOF_Renault_BMW, on Apr 16 2009, 09:10 AM, said:
"As I said, for a better show, maybe we can pick up our number and then whoever picks up number 15 can put on wet tyres, or whatever, and it is a better show and it's funny. Like this it is not funny."
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That wasn't Alonso whining about something was it? The FIA isn't making him look good enough in front of the spectators? What's Spanish for 'the FIA don't support me enough'?
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DOF_Renault_BMW, on Apr 16 2009, 01:10 PM, said:
Alonso slams 'ridiculous' tyre choice
By Jonathan Noble and Simon Strang Thursday, April 16th 2009, 08:46 GMT
Double world champion Fernando Alonso is 'very worried' about Bridgestone's decision to bring super-soft compounds as the option tyre for this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix, the Spaniard saying it is entirely unsuited to the abrasive nature of the Shanghai circuit.
The Renault driver claims that the use of the tyre makes the drivers 'look ridiculous' because of the time differential between the option and prime rubber - which was as much as six seconds when the super-soft and hard tyres were used in Australia.
"I think it is the worst decision they made in a long time, because it is a ridiculous tyre for here, for Shanghai," he said.
"I don't know if Bridgestone made the decision or the FIA, but they have to reconsider this type of decision because we look ridiculous on television and we look ridiculous for the spectators, and it is a joke to be in front of TV six seconds slower.
"We will need to change the tyres after five or six laps, is our calculation, because this track is harder than Melbourne and there we only did eight or nine laps.
"And if they want to be funny and mix the results and have overtaking, they can do a better job – a funny solution, maybe they can put us on the wet tyres or something. Like this it looks more spectacular – the difference in the speed. I don't know...
"I'm very worried about this and I'm very sad about this, because we look strange in front of people."
Alonso also revealed that the drivers have not been consulted on which tyres should be used, and added that the Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA) expressed their fears over safety on the issue following the Australian Grand Prix, when Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel collided while contesting second place.
"We expressed our concerns after Australia, after the accident of Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel – it was due to the difference of the speed," he said.
"He (Kubica) tried to overtake, Vettel was not in control of the car with that tyre, you cannot brake, you cannot turn-in, you cannot do anything. And then Robert had a big crash after that because he damaged the car.
"Then we expressed our concerns and now in the third race we have the same tyre at a worse circuit. This is something that we need to change immediately."
Alonso added that he considered both the super-soft and the hard tyres to be unsuited to Shanghai.
"I think the super-soft on this type of circuit with long, high-speed corners... in Turn 1 it will be destroyed and in Turn 10 there will be no more left tyre.
"One will be too hard and one will be too soft. The right tyre is at home! The soft tyre is at home, and this happened in Australia as well. And the understanding that this is for a better show, for overtaking...
"As I said, for a better show, maybe we can pick up our number and then whoever picks up number 15 can put on wet tyres, or whatever, and it is a better show and it's funny. Like this it is not funny."
By Jonathan Noble and Simon Strang Thursday, April 16th 2009, 08:46 GMT
Double world champion Fernando Alonso is 'very worried' about Bridgestone's decision to bring super-soft compounds as the option tyre for this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix, the Spaniard saying it is entirely unsuited to the abrasive nature of the Shanghai circuit.
The Renault driver claims that the use of the tyre makes the drivers 'look ridiculous' because of the time differential between the option and prime rubber - which was as much as six seconds when the super-soft and hard tyres were used in Australia.
"I think it is the worst decision they made in a long time, because it is a ridiculous tyre for here, for Shanghai," he said.
"I don't know if Bridgestone made the decision or the FIA, but they have to reconsider this type of decision because we look ridiculous on television and we look ridiculous for the spectators, and it is a joke to be in front of TV six seconds slower.
"We will need to change the tyres after five or six laps, is our calculation, because this track is harder than Melbourne and there we only did eight or nine laps.
"And if they want to be funny and mix the results and have overtaking, they can do a better job – a funny solution, maybe they can put us on the wet tyres or something. Like this it looks more spectacular – the difference in the speed. I don't know...
"I'm very worried about this and I'm very sad about this, because we look strange in front of people."
Alonso also revealed that the drivers have not been consulted on which tyres should be used, and added that the Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA) expressed their fears over safety on the issue following the Australian Grand Prix, when Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel collided while contesting second place.
"We expressed our concerns after Australia, after the accident of Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel – it was due to the difference of the speed," he said.
"He (Kubica) tried to overtake, Vettel was not in control of the car with that tyre, you cannot brake, you cannot turn-in, you cannot do anything. And then Robert had a big crash after that because he damaged the car.
"Then we expressed our concerns and now in the third race we have the same tyre at a worse circuit. This is something that we need to change immediately."
Alonso added that he considered both the super-soft and the hard tyres to be unsuited to Shanghai.
"I think the super-soft on this type of circuit with long, high-speed corners... in Turn 1 it will be destroyed and in Turn 10 there will be no more left tyre.
"One will be too hard and one will be too soft. The right tyre is at home! The soft tyre is at home, and this happened in Australia as well. And the understanding that this is for a better show, for overtaking...
"As I said, for a better show, maybe we can pick up our number and then whoever picks up number 15 can put on wet tyres, or whatever, and it is a better show and it's funny. Like this it is not funny."
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TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 16 2009, 05:54 PM, said:
While the whole F1 world is going on about "illegal" diffusers, DOF has to post about tyres!
DOF's post makes sense....so does Nando...
We will have to see who is the clown of the upcoming race.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 07:31 PM
The race would be ok if they had a decent tyre option and then a bad one,for example a supersoft that lasted for a few laps.But what they have now is one that is too hard and the other is too soft!way to waste a car...
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Shall I wake up in 5 and a half hours to watch FP1???
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TF109_Diffuser, on Apr 16 2009, 06:49 AM, said:
OK, if Piquet survives this season without getting sacked, I'll eat my own pubes!
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I gotta ask- Why are we suddenly up to our monobrows in F1 personalities? surely this is not ¨the¨ secret place where all the big shots of F1 meet? if so, please do not punish me Max!
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adamstrags, on Apr 15 2009, 10:40 PM, said:
Okay - I'm bored and this is my 'local' GP so let's be avin ya.
Might a couple more teams surprise us with a new diffuser?
Will Button continue his winning streak?
Is it Barichello's turn?
Could the court case losers be out for blood?
Which other teams will this circuit suit?
Might a couple more teams surprise us with a new diffuser?
Will Button continue his winning streak?
Is it Barichello's turn?
Could the court case losers be out for blood?
Which other teams will this circuit suit?
Hamilton running new front wing and new diffuser in FP1 - so that answers your first question....and Renault is flying one and a floorpan in...
Lets hope not, re your second question.
Lets hope not, re your third question. Would like to see Nico on the top step myself...
No, re your fourth question. They are not vampires. Though Kimi quite likes the night life, so maybe....??!???!
Re you last question - whichever teams can manage the supersoft best will suit this circuit. It won't be Alonso - his frame of mind is already against them so he will destroy them super fast.
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Posted 17 April 2009 - 02:46 AM
s##te - Macca 1 and 2 on FP1....with 44mins to go.....
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