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#2431 Rainmaster

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

Eric, I agree with you about Ferrari and also about those lists. To be fair, I don't think they claim it's anything other than a personal view. Walker's opinion is interesting because he probably has seen them all, although of course that doesn't make his opinion definitive.

I don't think Clark, Senna and Fangio are a bad top three, to be honest. Watching any of them onboard always gives somehow a different feeling to watching anybody else, in my opinion (and I thought that before I really knew that much about any of them and I was first getting into F1). As for Clark at #3, well, the thing with Clark is that whenever I meet anybody who did see him drive they almost always say that he was the greatest they ever saw, and that's when they've seen Senna and sometimes, Fangio too. It's a fun discussion starter.

Anyway, I think it's probably better to think about the "Kings of their era/decade" and the Kings as I see them are Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, and now probably Alonso. Some of the them didn't get to reign all that long before another master came in and overshadowed them, and in some cases those guys were dominant and in a class of one, in other cases they were pushed incredibly hard by their contemporaries and got similar or slightly fewer achievements, but were simply more impressive over their time in F1. In the opinion of somebody who never saw most of those people race Posted Image
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 30 October 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Indeed. In these last races, everybody will be scrutinizing every word Alonso says and turn and twist them until they fit the "he is just a big crybaby" image. That bit of news reek of falsehood as a whole (how do people know what he wrote if he never tweeted it? Either he shown that to half the team, or SD talked, and that would make even less sense as he was the guy trying to cover the 'story', right? It is absurd as it is told. Either there are big chumks of the story amiss or it is just a plain lie). But let's assume for those who will still stubbornly think that this is not just true, but the 'natural' thing Alonso does.

He has every right to be mad. Geez, in a year were 90% of humanity (I define humanity as 'people who watched at least one F1 race, or has received the meme with the 'f1' computer key as a joke) admitted Alonso's efforts and prowess to be up there, to watch his hopes of a WDC disappear because the car disadvantage which has been there all year has not only not disappeared when RBR finally played the Newey card, but worsened because that was the time Ferrari found that (yet again) they screwed up with the wind tunnel would be frustrating for anyone. Alonso has dragged the team on and on, and so far no one in the team said otherwise. He has been under enormous pressure all year, yet kept pushing and smiling all the time. Can't the guy let out some steam without being called a crybaby?

To add insult to injury, this year there's not a single F1 personality you can name as a standard to measure Alonso's 'crybabyness' as all of them made asses of themselves all year. Who would you want to show as an opposite of Alonso the moaner? Vettel ("Cucumber" "Do something anything!")? Kimi ("My steering wheel!!! My steering wheel!!"), Button ("No grip! No grip!!!!"), Lewis ("Guys, we should retire" Twittergate)? Unless you are a fan of Bernd Rosenmeyer, I don't think any other character in the paddock has any moral grounds to compare Alonso's attitude even if he decided to tweet Stefano Domenicali's impersonation of Flavio, thong and all.

Cut the guy some slack. Shut up and enjoy the best driver of this generation. Nobody (until this post Posted Image) decided to convert all those idiotic moments from other drivers into proof of them being failures. So don't even try Posted Image


Schumi.  He never whined likes these bunch of cry baby F1 drivers :whistling:
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

View Postpabloh20, on 31 October 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Schumi.  He never whined likes these bunch of cry baby F1 drivers Posted Image
:lol: I give you this, he was probably the less annoying when it came to celebrations. I even found Alonso irritating in 2005/2006 with those silly postures and hand gestures.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:08 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 31 October 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Posted Image I give you this, he was probably the less annoying when it came to celebrations. I even found Alonso irritating in 2005/2006 with those silly postures and hand gestures.

Celebrations never bother me.  I watch football, groups of grown men hug and kiss each other when they score, for crying out loud.  A bit of fingering is nothing in comparison :lol:
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:14 PM

View Postpabloh20, on 31 October 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Celebrations never bother me.  I watch football, groups of grown men hug and kiss each other when they score, for crying out loud.  A bit of fingering is nothing in comparison Posted Image
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:29 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 30 October 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

To add insult to injury, this year there's not a single F1 personality you can name as a standard to measure Alonso's 'crybabyness' as all of them made asses of themselves all year. Who would you want to show as an opposite of Alonso the moaner? Vettel ("Cucumber" "Do something anything!")? Kimi ("My steering wheel!!! My steering wheel!!"), Button ("No grip! No grip!!!!"), Lewis ("Guys, we should retire" Twittergate)? Unless you are a fan of Bernd Rosenmeyer, I don't think any other character in the paddock has any moral grounds to compare Alonso's attitude even if he decided to tweet Stefano Domenicali's impersonation of Flavio,  
Hey, Kimi didn't have 3 years to adapt
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:56 PM

View PostBradSpeedMan, on 31 October 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Hey, Kimi didn't have 3 years to adapt
:lol: My point was not "everybody is a crybaby" (Kimi included). I was about to write that none of them was, but actually I found the Vettel comments at least very awkward and Button specially annoying. In Button's defense I must say that it is probably because I am not used to hear so many complaints from him and because the guy's comments of no grip were amplified by the constant exposure British drivers have.

I found the jokes about Kimi and his never ending steering wheel woes fun, but didn't make me think for a second that he was 'moaning all the time about the wheel'.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:52 AM

View Postpabloh20, on 31 October 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

I watch football, groups of grown men hug and kiss each other

I knew it! That's what 20 years in a corrective institution will do to you :)

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:58 AM

Don't see what all the fuss is about with Alonso, he's got a point and all drivers moan at one point or another.

Not being an Alonsophile particularly, he has really impressed me this season - of course he has a tremendous track record, etc, but this season think his driving/approach has moved up a further level - seems very focused and at the top of his game.

Can't help thinking that were Mr Todt still in Ferrari that he might be clutching the WDC trophy already though....

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:28 AM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 01 November 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

I knew it! That's what 20 years in a corrective institution will do to you Posted Image

Just don't bend down for the soap in the showers Posted Image

Why, are you lurking in the showers again ??
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:24 AM

Were M.Todt still at Ferrari, Alonso would be racing for HRT along with PDLR as he vouched never to allow Nando to race for Ferrari while he were still there, remember? :D
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:19 PM

View Postpabloh20, on 01 November 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Why, are you lurking in the showers again ??

Incorrigible! :lol:

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:39 PM

Young driver test from today.  Kevin Magnussen was quickest for McLaren.  A lot of people are very high on this da Costa guy; he came in mid-season in Formula Renault 3.5 and won just about everything.

http://www.gpupdate....-november-2012/

Another driver who will be testing this winter?  Eddie Cheever, III. with Ferrari, in the F10, for winning the Italian Formula 3 Championship.  Oddly enough, his father tested for Ferrari in 1977.  If you thought Massa and some failed upgrades were "mediocracy," I'm not sure how you expected otherwise from a team that has consented to not one but two Cheevers getting behind the wheel... :P

(And I say that even as the only fan of Eddie Cheever).
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

View PostMassa, on 06 November 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Young driver test from today.  Kevin Magnussen was quickest for McLaren.  A lot of people are very high on this da Costa guy; he came in mid-season in Formula Renault 3.5 and won just about everything.

http://www.gpupdate....-november-2012/

Another driver who will be testing this winter?  Eddie Cheever, III. with Ferrari, in the F10, for winning the Italian Formula 3 Championship.  Oddly enough, his father tested for Ferrari in 1977.  If you thought Massa and some failed upgrades were "mediocracy," I'm not sure how you expected otherwise from a team that has consented to not one but two Cheevers getting behind the wheel... Posted Image

(And I say that even as the only fan of Eddie Cheever).
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:05 PM

View PostMassa, on 06 November 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Young driver test from today.  Kevin Magnussen was quickest for McLaren.  A lot of people are very high on this da Costa guy; he came in mid-season in Formula Renault 3.5 and won just about everything.

http://www.gpupdate....-november-2012/

Another driver who will be testing this winter?  Eddie Cheever, III. with Ferrari, in the F10, for winning the Italian Formula 3 Championship.  Oddly enough, his father tested for Ferrari in 1977.  If you thought Massa and some failed upgrades were "mediocracy," I'm not sure how you expected otherwise from a team that has consented to not one but two Cheevers getting behind the wheel... Posted Image

(And I say that even as the only fan of Eddie Cheever).
Felix da Costa is known to me and though his fans are many he couldn't quite pip Magnussen in what could be termed an inferior car. I like the Dane - a lot. Super quick and smooth.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:35 PM

I find it impressive that he was nearly 1 second up on Paffett, too.  Even though Paffett's not exactly an F1 ace, he certainly has a ton more F1 miles than anyone else on that results sheet, so for Magnussen to just crush him like that in what I think is his first F1 outing is a great job.

One thing, RE: da Costa, was that he had these aerodynamic sensors on his car.  I'm not sure if those sensors have any kind of impact on weight or aerodynamics.

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Frijns and Gutiérrez at Sauber should be something to watch, too.  I think they the only guys testing who have a shot at the race seat in 2013, though I may be overlooking someone.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:15 AM

View PostMassa, on 06 November 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

One thing, RE: da Costa, was that he had these aerodynamic sensors on his car.  I'm not sure if those sensors have any kind of impact on weight or aerodynamics.

No, they are not aerodynamic sensors, this is Red Bull's move into the home improvement territory (obviously hoping to pick up a few sponsors) - this is the F1-Trellis - if you watch carefully over the next few weeks they'll start growing a nice honeysuckle or clematis up there.... :)

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:16 AM

View Postpabloh20, on 01 November 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Why, are you lurking in the showers again ??

Oooh you bitch! Last time I let you use my "loofah!" :)

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:17 PM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 07 November 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

Oooh you bitch! Last time I let you use my "loofah!" Posted Image

You say that every time :lol:
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:30 PM

Predictable: http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20253052

I admit, the delay in the race being put online was quite annoying and clearly a result of the swearing as the BBC are normally very fast, and drivers should set a better example because younger audiences might get the wrong impression. But honestly, the viewers who actually complain at stuff like this must have the most bizarre perception of the world.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:47 PM

What did they say? I missed that but I think viewers are right to complain about swearing but to the FIA or FOM not to the BBC. Well, they can complain to the BBC if they don't know how to complain to the others. I find it absurd if the BBC cut that out, it happened.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:00 PM

How was it, Kimi said that last time he won a race the interviewer was "giving him Sh#t" because he didn't smile. Then Vettel wanted to look cool and grown up so he said something that roughly translates to "we could have had a major f*ck up this weekend but we didn't".

Personally, I didn't even hear Kimi say it, it's Kimispeak, only DC could tell and that's because he was 20cm away :lol:

And, on a tangent, the other day I heard a 4 year old kid in a stroller yell at a 4 year girl (in a stroller) to "f*ck off" while his mother laughed at it. And I'm fairly sure he didn't watch that race!
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:53 PM

Just another long, meandering incoherent rant.. don't mind me :D

Yep, those were the misdemeanours in question. It's strange that the BBC had to cut it out entirely. Not from a broadcasting guidelines POV - you clearly can't broadcast a program with adult language before the watershed - and that applies to what goes on their site too. The BBC are publicly funded too so it's best not to p**s everybody off. What's odd is that they couldn't do what they normally do for adult content which is just to put a simple notice on the program stating that it contains bad language and the "over 16" tickbox; you could even state the specific times where the language occurs. The technology is there to do that, it must be. Instead, they took forever (for a sports event) to edit out the language. Usual BBC red tape. Then again, they are quite busy at the moment Posted Image The annoying thing is, even utilising such technology you would still get complaints..

On the actual complaints: I admit it's a more legitimate charge than the usual complaints the BBC receive (all the time over here there are stories about how the BBC received x many complaints, sometimes before a program even aired). For example after a particularly controversial episode of Top Gear where Clarkson insulted Mexicans/dead prostitutes/various ethnic minorities/etc, you will usually find a few hundred people complaining, which begs the question why do they watch the show in the first place when known for its style of humour? Everybody has a right to complain; but before that almost always the luxury of not tuning in.

You have to feel most people who complain about TV shows generally are 1) having too much time on their hands, 2) have an over inflated sense of self-importance ("I'm offended therefore this shouldn't ever happen"), and 3) Have a very misguided perception of the world. I mean, I doubt the people who complain with some level of rationality at something like Abu Dhabi are the same people who actually follow or involve themselves in any serious political issues in the world - you know, the actual problems. They just hate bad language and by god they will tell you. It just amazes me how some people want to live in their own insulated, unrealistic world. I bet half of these thin-skinned moaners live in the fear driven England of the Daily Mail and are scared of anything that remotely bursts that bubble - bad language included. The other half are at the other end, "multiculturalists" who are so politically correct that at the mention of any sensitive topic, like a reference to an ethnic minority, will immediately take "offence" without ever bothering to understand the context of the joke, because they aren't racist honest and they love other cultures (just don't ask them anything about other cultures).

For Abu Dhabi, the worst case scenario is a child learned a new naughty word slightly earlier than they would have done. So what? Get over it. Nobody got pregnant and nobody died. Sh#t happens, is I believe the phrase here. Try having a responsible, open conversation about language with your kid, including why bad language needs to be used at the right time, etc, instead of writing a letter. If you were an adult and you were offended well I don't even know where to begin, presumably they would be too "offended" by the wealth in Abu Dhabi in comparison with the wealth of the child who was exploited to make the television set they were watching the race on? (Do kids get exploited to make TV's? I am not sure. If they don't then they should: I'd love my next TV to be cheaper)*.

BUT, and after a much meandering post, it is fair enough to be unhappy about swearing at that time of day on TV and you wouldn't want it becoming the norm. It's just the complaining that's absurd, unless you are absolutely consistent in your logic and what you complain about, which none of these people will be because they're stupid enough to be offended and think that's actually important. Posted Image The worst thing about these cases (not so much here where sponsors and teams would already have warned their drivers one way or another), is that these unbelievably small minorities get way too much exposure compared to the 99.9% who just get on with it.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:06 PM

Today in F1 Caterham appointed a new team... oh who cares.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:36 PM

About the "sweargate" (don't tell me nobody has called it like that yet!), the best part was DC saying that he felt awkward about the foul language.

Oh, wait...who is this?

http://www.dailymoti...o-he-says_sport

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:52 PM

The BBC has made him go all soft on the inside... ooooh :P

George, you're going a bit too far off for this time of night, but I quite agree with you.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:39 AM

:lol: So that's what all that was about.  I guess that's one advantage of the U.S.; there weren't even 22 people watching to complain. ;)

One thing that happens at a NASCAR race is the driver introductions ceremony.  They start from the last-place starter, and call them out one at a time pre-race to be cheered/booed by the fans before parading around the track in separate trucks (not to be confused with the trucks they drive).

At Bristol, the drivers pick a song to be played while they are introduced.  Some drivers chose songs that contained profanities.

The Internet bloggers exploded with the most rage I've seen since the time a NASCAR journalist went to the 12 Hours of Sebring and complained that the food wasn't free for media (no, really).

I found it bizarrely ironic that most young children don't even have the cognitive functions to really understand song lyrics...which makes me wonder if most young children can really understand the accents of Formula One drivers?

Hell, as an adult, accents can be difficult when it's a new word.  I can understand thick accents when being used to say words I know, much as I'm sure you guys could understand my vaguely New Jerseyan accent.  However, when I took a statistics course with a foreign instructor a while ago, it was hard to understand him when he was using technical terms I hadn't heard before because I had nothing in my mind to equate it to.

My point being, if a British kid doesn't know the f-word or the s-word or whatever, and Räikkönen or Vettel says it, I'm not really sure he/she "learned" the word.

Moreover, I agree with George.  It's lazy parenting to take "teachable moments" and turn them into self-righteous ego-jerking.  The poor teacher getting a letter when Tommy tells Timmy that Santa Claus isn't real.

Anyway, I have a letter of my own to write to the BBC.  Ben Edwards has made my cousin's children think it's acceptable to shout indoors.  I need the soothing Jonathan Legard to come back over the hill and round the bend and off to the commentary box. :P
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:01 AM

View Postfreaky2, on 08 November 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

How was it, Kimi said that last time he won a race the interviewer was "giving him Sh#t" because he didn't smile. Then Vettel wanted to look cool and grown up so he said something that roughly translates to "we could have had a major f*ck up this weekend but we didn't".

I felt there was something going on during the podium ceremony, no wonder Alonso looked so out of place. Posted Image

View PostRainmaster, on 08 November 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

*Complaints to the BBC

I agree with your very good reasoning post but it won't let you get away with it. The BBC will contact you soon. I sent my complaint. Posted Image

Fray Luis de León said:

As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:16 AM

View PostMassa, on 09 November 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

My point being, if a British kid doesn't know the f-word or the s-word or whatever, and Räikkönen or Vettel says it, I'm not really sure he/she "learned" the word.

Yep. Children rarely learn bad language from TV by hearing a couple of F1 drivers on a podium ceremony. Even if they learn the word they only use it if adults around make the child think swearing is funny. I don't like hearing a famous guy/girl swearing on TV that's all.

Fray Luis de León said:

As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:08 AM

If you've ever spent time near a school playground... (no wait, that came out wrong... Posted Image ) you'll know that 3-4 year olds will quite happily run around telling each other that they are mother****ers, so find it amusing that there is so much shock and awe over the podium swearing. Like little Johnnie will learn a new naughty word? (I think not)!

I get more concerned by kids exposure to violence through TV, films and games (which it seems is deemed socially acceptable) than the occasional shot of a nipple or potty-mouths on TV Posted Image

Edited by Grabthaw the Hammerslayer, 09 November 2012 - 05:09 AM.

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