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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:09 PM
Turns out they said "current" IndyCar driver, so it won't be the ever-sportsmanly Jacques Villeneuve, who might not even get to run his home race at Montréal as Discount Tire issued a statement regarding his behavior at Elkhart Lake. What a pity.
I figure the big candidates would be Marco Andretti, who wants to be a superstar anyway and NASCAR's where the fame is, and where his friend Paris Hilton hangs out more often than Indy where she wouldn't be caught dead, or Alex Tagliani, due to Dodge/Québec/past adventures.
Maybe Ryan Briscoe, too, if his time at Penske is up, since his wife wants him to go there.
Any Indy driver is smart to go to NASCAR because of the money, and any owner is stupid to hire them because they will, without a doubt, suck.
Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:14 AM
Bugger, another missed opportunity to see Steph naked (OK, well she offered to do so if he came back to F1, but Indycar and F1 are very similar <cough>)
Villeneueve on form in Champcar was awesome, like Montoya....
Edited by Grabthaw the Hammerslayer, 03 July 2012 - 07:16 AM.
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling?
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:10 PM
Apparently 4 million people within America watched the Rallycross for the X Games. Given the ratings for Indycar etc you've posted before, that strikes me as quite high. Why would it be so popular? Just because it is part of the X Games or something?
Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:07 PM
The X Games as a whole had 1,030,000 viewers (.33% of the entire U.S. population) on Friday and 1,045,000 viewers (.34% of the entire U.S. population) on Sunday. It's mathematically impossible that any event, Rallycross or otherwise, on Friday or Sunday had 4,000,000 viewers. It's logically impossible that any event on any other day (I don't really know when they show these things) got that many viewers. I am sure that the X Games do get a different, non-auto racing-oriented crowd to watch Rallycross, though.
The NASCAR Nationwide race had 1,154,000 viewers (.37% of the entire U.S. population).
An episode of SpongeBob at 4:30 on Friday afternoon had 2,203,000 viewers (.71% of the entire U.S. population).
Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN got 1,482,000 viewers (.48% of the entire U.S. population).
European Championship Soccer on ESPN, not live, got 4,068,000 viewers (1.31% of the entire U.S. population).
No official numbers for the Cup race yet.
Sunday's cable winner?
The BET Awards on, well, BET in primetime: 7,421,000 viewers (2.38% of the entire U.S. population).
A.N.T. Farm on Disney Channel at 8:30 PM: 3,491,000 viewers (1.12% of the entire U.S. population).
Most watched program of the entire weekend (network, not cable)?
U.S. Olympic Trials on NBC, with women's gymnastics on from 9:00 PM Sunday scoring 10,020,000 viewers (3.22% of the entire United States population).
Posted 03 July 2012 - 09:57 PM
Whilst it isn't strictly relevant to this thread, I did enjoy seeing Sebastien Loeb beat the crap out of that Rallycross field. He's seriously good. Just a shame my man Gronholm was injured in a crash the previous day, otherwise there may well have been a bit more competition for Loeb, with no disrepect intended to the likes of Travis Pastrana, Ken Block and Brian Deegan.
Favourite quote of the night came from one of the presenters in the studio talking to this chick trackside, they got talking about Loeb and the track side girl admitted she was a huge fan because she was a rally person. The person in the studio then asked if Loeb was like the Travis Pastrana of Europe. Yeah, Loeb only has 72 WRC wins and eight titles, three Race of Champions wins and a podium at Le Mans...they're totally similar.
I'll stop before I drag this off topic any more, but thanks.
Edited by JHS18, 03 July 2012 - 09:57 PM.
Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:25 PM
Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:58 PM
Dave Blaney looks dead...
Bobby Labonte looks like he's 100 years old...
Mark Martin looks like he's 150...
And the best of them all...
Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:18 PM
UPDATE: A call for mandatory caution periods has refueled an ongoing debate in NASCAR: How much manipulation is too much?
"I'd rather have that than some mysterious debris caution," four-time champion #24-Jeff Gordon said. "The integrity of racing is about letting the race play out, and sometimes that's the most exciting finish, sometimes it's not. Trying to get in the middle of that can be challenging. If you're going to do it, it's got to be something planned in advance, and you take a break. I'm not totally against it."
"Auto racing is auto racing," #99-Carl Edwards said. "That's what it is. It's not going to be a Game 7 moment in every race. That's what makes some races great. If you start affecting the competition like that, it's analogous to stopping a basketball game if the score gets too far apart and putting the score back at even. That, to me, is not what auto racing is about."
NASCAR said it had no plans to implement mandatory breaks, but pre-determined caution periods are not new to the sport. NASCAR occasionally calls "competition yellows" if officials deem a stoppage necessary to evaluate the cars, tires, track or other circumstances. "Our product on the track is exciting, and sports is a true reality show in how it unfolds as an event," NASCAR President Mike Helton said Thursday. "You have to be careful when you think about artificially creating the outcome of that."
"I would not be against it if the races continue to run green the whole way with one or two cautions," #16-Greg Biffle said. "I think Over time that could lose the fans' interest sitting in the stands and watching on TV. That's not what we want."(USA Today)(7-6-2012)
I would just like to announce that today I have retired from NASCAR. I have previously retired from IndyCar. This thread has no use to me. You're on your own...
Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:03 PM
But that's a pretty terrible idea. The day that happens is officially the day we stop calling NASCAR motorsport...or "auto racing" if you prefer.
Edited by JHS18, 06 July 2012 - 06:06 PM.
Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:13 PM
Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:50 PM
Walker was involved in an incident with officials at a sprint car race. The link takes you to an article. There is a video of the incident. Walker is the driver with the very nasty hair (not to judge on appearance, but he certainly looks like he's still doing drugs).
The video should be listened to through headphones by mature audiences as it contains a lot of bad language. There is also a physical scuffle at the end that isn't particularly bad, but a female security guard is involved so that makes it pretty disgusting.
Seems to me like him and his team are real pieces of ****.
Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:39 PM
A.J. Allmendinger has been suspended from NASCAR for failing a drug test.
Sam Hornish, Jr. will be in the #22 later.
Allmendinger additionally has a DUI on his record from a few years ago, and no one who has ever worked under him enjoyed it. Later, A.J.
Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:47 PM
Allmendinger's former rivals, Scott Speed and Paul Tracy, two guys who really, really, really disliked A.J. when working with him are both shocked that A.J. failed a test. Speed "called BS" on NASCAR, claiming that there's no way A.J. uses drugs.
Allmendinger and his wife separated late last year. There were rumors that his wife was cheating on him with Tony Stewart, and she does not have a positive reputation in the NASCAR garage. A lot of rumors about there being a connection to developments in his personal life, drug use, and his performance this year. We'll never know, and we'll never need to know because it's not our business...
A little Penske driver history, for you:
Rick Mears (1978-1992): privately struggled with alcohol and painkiller dependency. Mears went to rehab and has been clean for a long time.
Al Unser, Jr. (1994-1999): struggles with alcoholism and drug addiction, both of which have led to domestic violence, reckless driving, and adultery. Unser has been arrested multiple times. He is serving supervised probation at the moment, with a 90 day suspended prison sentence looming should he violate his probation.
Jeremy Mayfield (1998-2001): struggles with drug addiction, which has led to tax evasion, breaking and entering charges, and larceny charges. He's in serious denial and believes that NASCAR set him up, despite there being meth and stolen property in and around his house.
Hélio Castroneves (2000-present): tax evasion/fraud scandal.
A.J. Allmendinger (2012-present): failed drug test.
Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:03 PM
I'm personally glad that with the exception of a small minority, on the whole this sort of thing isn't as common in Europe. Not saying everyone's perfect at all, just...you don't hear about a scandal involving an F1 driver testing positive for drugs, which is great.
I guess in a way with NASCAR wages being higher than F1 wages that sometimes it is only inevitable people will occasionally...I don't know...lose the plot?
Edited by JHS18, 09 July 2012 - 06:58 PM.
Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:00 PM
Nah, kidding. It seems to be a bigger problem in American racing for whatever reason. Maybe drugs, tax fraud, illegal loaning schemes, pyramid schemes, etc. are just more prevalent in America in general, and are therefore more prevalent among racing drivers.
NASCAR is very concerned with family values and having an image like that. For a long time, they banned hard liquor sponsors (they lifted the ban around 2004 or 2005)...though they allowed beer sponsors and the entire thing, the Winston Cup, was sponsored by a tobacco company so I'm not sure how they determined hard liquor wasn't acceptable but beer and cigarettes were...
NASCAR won't, however, take further action past suspension. Their main goal is recovery, and Allmendinger will be allowed to return if he goes through NASCAR's recovery program.
NASCAR's banned substances do include many legal medications, prescription or otherwise, as well as performance enhancing drugs, and alcohol. Allmendinger would still deserve his suspension, obviously, because the rules are the rules. But it is entirely possible he just made a really dumb mistake and forgot to inform NASCAR of a new prescription, or had a few too many drinks with the guys and it was still in his system.
If it is a problem and not a really, really, really stupid mistake on his part, I do wish him well, as much as I've never liked him. I read a story by Jeff Gluck about some Allmendinger fans, and one was the father of an 8-year-old who liked Allmendinger because his last name was kind of funny and easy to remember...and it reminded me of some other little kid watching NASCAR...some guy named Eric...story in my next post...
Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:16 PM
I supported Grubb for years...it started as just his name, but then it became tradition. I guess I never had a great reason.
He bounced around to the Toys R Us ride, and then to the Dr. Pepper one...and the whole way I always wanted him to get his big break and do well. He was pretty talented, to be honest. Not great, but he could get a good result, too. In 2003, he lost his ride, and I was pretty upset. Why bother watching the races without Kevin Grubb in them?
For 2004, he was going to drive for Rensi Motorsports, but before his first race, he failed a drug test. I wasn't happy. The guy I had been supporting all these years was using drugs? Not possible! NASCAR drivers don't do that stuff...do they?
Grubb hit rock bottom sometime in 2004. He was in a very, very bad place. I always checked his fan forum for updates, hoping it was some mistake, or that he learned his lesson and would come back clean, sorry for what he did.
But what you don't understand when you're 11 is that not everyone's mind works the same way. You don't understand self-medication or any of that. I don't sympathize with drug use, but when you're young, you just think "drugs are bad and bad people do them." It's what you're taught, and it's something that, as a mentor to younger students, that exact age, I was always careful to avoid. I always wanted the kids to know that under no circumstances should they use drugs, and I didn't think telling them they'd be a bad person for doing it or that people who did were bad people was an appropriate way to go about it. I think sometimes you have to respect that kids are smart enough to learn things that aren't over-simplified, and I always strived to teach kids about the positives of a drug-free life, and of all the outlets for help and support and fun there are in the world, rather than the scare tactics...anyway...
Grubb's website disappeared. I hadn't thought much about it. In 2006, he had completed NASCAR's recovery program, and was back in NASCAR.
Grubb scored a top ten finish for a very, very, very small team that just wasn't usually finishing the well that year. He was back. He beat a tough struggle, and he hadn't lost any of his talent.
Grubb was suspended again from NASCAR that same year. After a lap one crash at Richmond, Grubb suffered a concussion. He was asked to submit a drug test by NASCAR, but he refused. Grubb claimed the following day that he had no memory of refusing the drug test, and must have done it in the haze of his yet-to-be-diagnosed concussion. He offered to submit a drug test to NASCAR that day, but NASCAR did not allow it, and he remained suspended.
He never made an effort to return to NASCAR again. No one heard much from him. Grubb was struggling, struggling with something he couldn't shake, something I never would have understood the first time around. He was suffering from a mental condition, and like so many who do, he had used drugs to cope with that.
On May 6, 2009, Grubb shot himself in the head in a Virgina hotel room. There were no drugs in his system, and no evidence of drugs in the room, but drugs weren't his problem. His problems were deeper inside, and drugs had been his horribly misguided solution.
It's a place that the guys in denial, guys like Tyler Walker in that video a few posts up (and another on YouTube where he destroys property at a night club), guys like Jeremy Mayfield and his never-ending lawsuits (he was involved in something like nine simultaneous ones recently), are headed.
It's a place Jon Wood would have gone had he not left NASCAR (he was never suspended) and gotten help (he no longer drivers, but is involved with his family's Wood Brothers team again) after what was called a "misdiagnosed illness." It's a place Shane Hmiel was very close to before he cleaned up after his self-medication for bi-polar, which he had not been diagnosed with, only for his revived career in open-wheel racing to be ended by an accident that has left him in a wheelchair.
A.J. Allmendinger treaded dangerously toward a territory that Rob Moroso went into. Allmendinger's DUI was right on the legal limit of .08. Moroso's BAC level was a lot higher. Moroso killed himself and an innocent victim in a car crash. At the time, Moroso was the most promising young talent in NASCAR, a precursor to Jeff Gordon, a guy who could have been among his greatest rivals through the 90s. Threw it away.
I hope he isn't treading dangerously this time, and if he was, I hope he amends the situation.
For that 8-year-old kid, too.
Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:20 PM
Well, you could say they're all completely terrible people as most of them live in tax havens.
Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:53 PM
Allmendinger hasn't asked for his "B" sample to be tested.
My theory: if Allmendinger fails the "B" test, it would be made public what substance he failed for.
I think Allmendinger knows he will fail the "B" test and saw it this way:
If you fail the "A" and the "B," you have to go through NASCAR's recovery program and it is all public.
If you fail the "A," you have to go through NASCAR's recovery program, but the substance stays private.
I figure Roger Penske, with the way he does business, sat down with Allmendinger, they talked it over, and they decided to just put it behind them and move on. Hence no hesitation to put Hornish in the car. Allmendinger can enter NASCAR's rehab program and return privately on his own time and we'll never have the 100% confirmation that a "B" test would give and we'll never know what substance Allmendinger was using.
It's probably the smart thing to do. Outside of Internet speculation, Allmendinger will have an easier time returning on the basis that it could have been anything, rather than the daming "B" test which would say what it was.
SparkNotes: He's guilty, he knows it, Penske knows it, they're just going to put it to rest and move on in their separate directions. Good luck, A.J., much as I never warmed up to the guy...
Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:39 AM
I want to take you back to 2007, the year before the unified IndyCar Series happened...these numbers go through August 8, so it does exclude a few races, but it's the best data I can get. And since only I care, well, it doesn't matter.
IRL network ratings (1 is a 1.0...Excel was automatically formatting and I was too lazy to change it):
IRL cable ratings:
Champ Car network ratings:
Champ Car cable ratings:
Let's play a few scenarios...
Assuming no overlap (no one who watches IRL watches Champ Car, and no one who watches Champ Car watches IRL), the ratings for an IndyCar Series race on ABC should be around 1.7 and on NBCSN should be 0.7.
Assuming all overlap (everyone watching IRL is watching Champ Car, and everyone watching Champ Car is watching IRL), the ratings for an IndyCar Series race on ABC should be around 1.1 and on NBCSN should be 0.4.
Assuming reality, where there was some overlap and some original, the ratings should be between 1.1 and 1.7 for ABC and between 0.4 and 0.7 for NBCSN.
It turns out that the ratings on ABC are around 0.9 and the ratings on NBCSN are around 0.3 (but fluctuate a lot).
1. The series has worse ratings than it did in 2007 as an independent series.
2. The series has better ratings than Champ Car did in 2007 as an independent series.
3. The series should have ratings higher than 1.1 and higher than 0.4 because some unique Champ Car viewers who never watched IRL should have become new IndyCar Series viewers.
4. The IndyCar Series has therefore lost viewers from the IRL era and failed to gain viewers from Champ Car.
5. Being on NBCSN, a less visible and less viewed network than ESPN/2, can account for some fall in cable ratings.
6. Casual viewers (ones who would be watching on network but not on cable) seemingly preferred IRL to Champ Car, as IRL had higher network ratings. Presumably, casual viewers were less interested in street racing, and more interested in oval racing. Casual viewers may have also recognized names like Danica Patrick or Marco Andretti (or others who they may have seen at the Indy 500), but none of the names in Champ Car.
7. More devoted viewers (ones who watch on cable) seemingly had no preference of series; each had its own small following.
8. If 0.3 + 0.4 = 0.3...were the same exact people watching IRL on cable as Champ Car on cable, and the only difference was in casual viewers on network? Was there no actual split in viewership with the split series, and just a lot of people watching two races instead of one? Probably. Definitely more than you'd expect if you read Internet forums.
Conclusions can be drawn from that data...has IndyCar done the right thing with the product and all that...but I just thought I'd pass the numbers along...
Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:28 AM
Penske and Allmendinger requested the "B" sample be tested.
Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:45 AM
Either another one in complete denial about reality, or something bizarre happened. You know which of those the odds favor, but we'll find out this week...
Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:59 PM
How Mr. Allmendinger wants to manage his own body is his business and not mine, but it only leads me to believe that most self-proclaimed "health-conscious" people (as he is) really aren't anything of that nature. What health-conscious person puts medicine and supplements in their bodies that they don't even know what they exactly contain?
Supplements aren't how you become healthy, kids.
Want to be health-conscious?
Hit your food groups and buy a bicycle. Eating right and getting exercise isn't going to hurt you...some of the stuff in these pills and supplements will. That stuff's all "too good to be true" that you can get a magically toned body and be in perfect health by taking something with contents you've never heard of...
I don't know if that stuff caused Allmendinger to fail his drug test, but it sure isn't good for him. Pills and supplements are for the vain, exercise and self-control are for the healthy...
Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:53 PM
A.J. "Health-Conscious" Allmendinger may have sincerely failed his drug test without taking anything intentional, but it doesn't change the fact he's a complete idiot. Who would put something with 8340% the DV of Vitamin B12 in their body and then tell the media how health-conscious they are? Man...
Well, we'll see what Allmendinger really failed for. Him getting his supplements tested could be a very clever way to try to cover his ***. Remember Jeremy Mayfield, who legitimately used meth? He claimed it was his ADHD medication mixed with Claritin-D. Allmendinger could be looking for something that could come up as a "stimulant" to pretend that's what he took.
He could also sincerely be a total moron who took a supplement with good intentions, didn't realize what was in it, and failed his test.
And either way he deserves a suspension but...yikes...power shots...do whatever you'd like, A.J., but don't tell us you're "health-conscious." I don't believe you.
Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:13 PM
Jeff Gordon (4)
Jimmie Johnson (4)
Tony Stewart (3)
Nigel Mansell (2)
Michael Schumacher (2)
Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (1) (ahahahahha)
Dale Jarrett (1)
Bobby Labonte (1)
Al Unser, Jr. (1)
Jimmy Vasser (1)
So the fans think James' driver is better than mine. What do they know?
(Nothing, apparently, because Schumacher should have won the award 2001-2005 for his performance 2000-2004).
I really only shared this because I was shocked that Formula One drivers have won three awards (Mansell's second was as an IndyCar driver) that are based on largely U.S. American fan voting (maybe they weren't always that way, I don't know, or care much).
Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:44 PM
You know something?
A+ to Keselowski.
I'm sick of this "A.J. is getting screwed all he took was a vitamin." You know NASCAR has strict drug testing policies, so if you're taking something that contains things you're not sure of, don't take it.
Another thing: we don't know what A.J. took. "It was just a vitamin" is the oldest excuse in the book. For all we know it was a vitamin. For all we know it was crack cocaine.
So good for Keselowski to shoot it straight, even when talking about his teammate.
I still don't like you, though, Brad.
Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:29 AM
I saw the GRC on TV. I've never seen GRC before. It's very bizarre; it was a six lap race, and every driver had to use a "long course" on one of the six laps. A lot of strange cars running, too. Travis Pastrana, who also raced in NNS today, won in a Dodge Dart after contact with Tanner Foust to take the lead. It was pretty cool...but I have no idea how rallycross works. It looks like the GRC is sort of a made-for-TV ESPN deal that runs on Bruton Smith's NASCAR tracks. Interesting thing to include in the NASCAR weekend, though, and they had a lot of people there.
The Whelen race? Well, you won't see it on TV, but Mike Stefanik won by .003 seconds over Ron Silk.
Posted 15 July 2012 - 05:20 PM
The IndyCar race at Toronto aired on ABC (network) at the same time as the British Grand Prix on FOX (network).
The IndyCar race's final rating?
0.8 (1,280,000 viewers)
The F1 race's final rating?
0.8 (1,280,000 viewers)
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