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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:19 AM
It'll be easy for me to remember that date.
Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:16 PM
Can't say I follow IndyCar these days, but I did see this...
Giorgio Pantano will be racing for Chip Ganassi this weekend at Mid-Ohio. Charlie Kimball broke his finger in a testing crash.
Pantano's been inconsistent in his IndyCar races thus far. In 2005, he finished fourth at Watkins Glen for Ganassi, but fourteenth in his other race. Last year, he would have been fifth at Sonoma, but he was black-flagged for blocking on the final corner, which I think was the wrong call but whatever. His other races in 2011, however, were totally forgettable.
I know there are some out there who want more American drivers or whatever, but you can count me out of that. I'd be a lot more interested in an IndyCar Series that could pick up guys like Giorgio Pantano and Esteban Guerrieri who really were close to Formula One but didn't have the budgets (Guerrieri, in my opinion, should be in F1. Pantano...I don't know if he was quite good enough), or guys like Sébastien Bourdais who just didn't work out in F1 (though he was better than you remember).
Of course, if you really want my opinion, I'd rather see Pantano, Guerrieri, and my favorites (Servià, Tagliani, Bourdais) in sports car racing so I don't have any reason to check Indy results.
Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:21 PM
All the 2013 cars, including the Chevrolet SS that we aren't allowed to see and the Dodge Charger which has no actual team, will be testing on August 7 and 8. I really hope there are pictures.
Three things make me very interested in the new cars:
1. The aerodynamic differences, obviously. Differentiation makes for better racing because different cars have different strengths and weaknesses over the course of a lap, a race, and a season. That means passing and performance loss and gain and everything that makes it fun. I realize NASCAR already has big-time differences in engines and some chassis differences, but this just adds even more.
2. The cars are going to be a lot lighter as far as weight goes. I think this could make the cars drive a little differently, which might help for better racing, and might make for an adjustment for the drivers which could mix up the pecking order. I know the COT, when introduced, really changed the way a lot of drivers drove, and made some older drivers a little less competitive.
3. Goodyear is working on a tire with more grip. Usually the tradeoff with grip is quicker wear (I say usually but I don't think it'd be too wrong to say universally). Quicker wear forces drivers to really drive, and as you see in F1, makes for really interesting strategy and results. I also think fresh tires with more grip will add an element to the end of races: usually, there's a late-race caution, and the leaders often stay out if they're in their fuel window. But the guys at the end of the lead lap will take tires because, hey, why not? If the grip difference can be big enough, you'd see those guys really overtaking from the back toward the front. Also, you need to make drivers drive, but you also need grip to allow for any kind of overtaking, so there's that balance to find.
I'm carefully optimistic about this.
Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:09 AM
Pocono reminds me of some of the best experiences I've had in racing, and some of the worst photographs anyone has ever taken. Take a look (2005-2006 photos are webcam pictures of pictures; 2007 photos were direct from a Motorola KRZR K1m...I say this in case you ever want to replicate the quality ):
Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:49 AM
Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:13 PM
Might rain; NNS will use rain tires, Cup will not (longer race, heavier cars, fear of a ****show).
Two road course aces have been brought in to the Cup race to challenge regulars like Ambrose, Stewart, Montoya, Gordon, Johnson, Edwards, and Busch, who are all skilled on circuits like these:
Patrick Long (#30 Inception Motorsports Toyota) - Porsche factory driver racing predominantly with Flying Lizard; class winner of Le Mans, Sebring, Petit Le Mans, and Daytona; race winner in ARCA and NASCAR K&N Pro Series
Boris Said (#32 HendrickCars.com Ford) - Nürburgring, Sebring, and Daytona winner; NASCAR Nationwide Series win at Montréal; current Grand-Am GT driver
How about Nationwide? A few road course ringers, as they are called, are entered there:
Ron Fellows (#5 Canadian Tire Chevrolet) - Former Corvette factory driver; Le Mans, Sebring, and Daytona winner; four-time Nationwide and two-time Truck Series winner, all on road courses; current owner of Canadian Tire Motorsports Park (Mosport) in Bowmanville, ON
Miguel Paludo (#30 Duroline Chevrolet) - Camping World Truck Series driver; Porsche GT3 Cup Brasil champion
Eric Curran (#53 NDS Motorsports Dodge) - Current Grand-Am GT driver; Grand-Am class wins at Mont-Tremblant and Road America
Of course, Danica Patrick has something to prove, too, having had a certain top five robbed at the lost road race when Jacques Villeneuve punted her on the final lap of the race.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 02:53 AM
If you had a TV blackout (as in NOTHING on screen) on a network channel (ABC, for example), you would get a 1.0 rating (1,600,000 viewers or so).
IndyCar has fallen to a new low on ABC with Mid-Ohio's race. A 0.6. IndyCar has been around a 0.9 for most ABC races. A 0.6 means they got about 960,000 viewers. On network. I can't emphasize how horrible that is. It was against the Olympics...but I'm pretty sure it was women's water polo on at that time, and if you can dress water polo in red, white, and blue and get Americans to watch it, well, kudos to you because I sure as hell don't watch sports I'm not interested in, regardless of who is playing.
The ALMS time-buy on ABC from Saturday got a 0.4. I'll protect the sanctity of the sports car thread by not degrading that into a ratings thread and put that here. F1 races at 5/6/7/8 AM on cable get more viewers than that.
When it comes to U.S. racing, we don't have nice things. Now you know why. No one cares...at all.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 02:26 PM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 05:09 PM
Allmendinger claims he tested positive for Adderall, a prescription medication for ADHD. Allmendinger does not have ADHD, and does not have a prescription for Adderall. In his tale, if you believe it, he explains how he took Adderall and expects to be reinstated by August (though he has no ride, as Penske already released him). If his program is that short, then NASCAR obviously believes his story...
Who would ever just take a pill some guy hands to them? Total moron, in my opinion...
Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:47 PM
Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:10 PM
Kyle Busch had a huge lead with a few to go.
But Bobby Labonte is a complete, ****ing idiot who really needs to be suspended from NASCAR for a week: his engine blew, and rather than get off the racing line, the dip**** decides to lay oil ALL OVER the entire track...
The oil wasn't visible, and NASCAR didn't throw a caution, and pure excitement happened.
I am very, very glad they kept it green. Tons of fun. But I'm not sure why it stayed green, and I'm really not sure why Bobby Labonte didn't think to get off the track.
I enjoyed it a lot, though. It was like watching a wet weather race in a way. Waiting for video to share with you guys.
Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:56 PM
NASCAR should race on more road courses. Come to Knockhill - that'd be proper comedy.
Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:51 PM
Last NASCAR road race of the year is Saturday with Nationwide at Montréal. Jacques Villeneuve returns to take out the rest of the field. Alex Tagliani is also running. Pretty sure Patrick Carpentier is coming out of retirement to do this one, too.
Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:12 PM
Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:18 PM
The rumor is that Nationwide will get a fourth road course next year, going to Mosport. It's a great track, so I hope it doesn't get modified for these cars. Truck may join them and Truck may also go to Road America. Expanding road racing in NASCAR can only be a good thing and I know that if there could be an opening in the calendar, Sprint Cup would go to Montréal. The crowd is huge.
The Tagliani fanboy in me was so happy to see Villeneuve lose. So, so, so happy.
On another note, Paul Page will leave ESPN at year's end. He currently calls NHRA drag racing and the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest. Page is apparently going to return to IndyCar, filling the vacancy at NBCSN as Bob Jenkins retires. You guys know how I feel about Page so I'd be pleased, but I just hope that in his older age he is still sharp. Jenkins gets a pass because he obviously has circumstances outside of racing weighing on him, but it's always tough to see your old favorites in the commentary box damaging their legacy, in the same way it works for drivers like Bobby Labonte who were champions and are now backmarkers.
Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:21 PM
Earlier in the race, Kyle Busch and Kyle Kelley made contact coming out of turn two. Kelley began to spin and Busch immediately backed off, allowing Kelley to make one hell of an awesome save (but of course this got no replay). Busch didn't force it...he let Kelley gather it back up and got around him the right way. That's how you race hard, but with respect.
Villeneuve comes out of two and hits Tagliani. Tagliani starts to spin and Villeneuve slams the gas until he dumps him. That's classless. He's really a hack and everyone in the garage knows it. I can't wait for someone to just give him his one day.
Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:04 PM
I love this. It's time to turn stock cars into racecars. The other thing...if you make it more expensive to upgrade to the 2013 spec, you're going to see start and park teams eliminated. Now, I know NASCAR doesn't want to have fewer cars in their races, as the TV contract guarantees 43, but it would be so nice to see the next TV contract (negotiated this year and next for 2015) not make that guarantee, such that start-and-park can be banned.
I know a lot of people will complain about "haves" and "have-nots" but that's racing. It's auto racing, not driver racing. It's supposed to be about bringing the absolute best car first, and then having the best driver to drive it as a secondary measure. I'm 100% fine if Hendrick, Roush, Penske, and Gibbs show up with carbon fiber and JTG-Daugherty, Front Row, and Furniture Row are tooting around with sheet metal. If they're going to dominate (and they already do), they may as well be allowed to dominate for bringing something better.
Posted 19 August 2012 - 05:04 PM
It is clear from what I've seen and read that the two road course races, particularly at the Glen, were much more exciting than most of the races on ovals so far this season. The Nationwide also proved how good (if a little chaotic) the racing can be.
The idea I had was this: why not create something like an officially NASCAR licensed championship, that runs ONLY on road and street courses? Almost like how that old Trans-Am series used to be. Take inspiration from how the Nationwide cars look (which I think look great), how Trans-Am used to be, and how V8 Supercars is now and surely you couldn't go too far wrong...
But I'm probably completely wrong. You will probably know much more than me on whether the type of thing I'm talking about already exists or very good reasons if it doesn't.
Edited by JHS18, 19 August 2012 - 05:12 PM.
Posted 19 August 2012 - 05:45 PM
Meanwhile, the appeal of stock car racing, to me, is the ability to make contact and therefore take big chances. But with the aerodynamics playing a huge role on big ovals, you can't do that anymore. Only on road courses where, in a stock car, the aero doesn't matter as much because these cars don't turn anyway.
I think NASCAR's biggest reasons not to do it:
1. They don't want to compete with themselves. There would be people, like me or you, who would probably watch a lot more of the road racing series than the main one. Likewise, NASCAR likes to schedule companion weekends, where all the series race at the same track. Scheduling a road course series would be a nightmare, because it would have to be racing on opposite ends of the country to not detract from race-goers for the other events.
Solution: Run it in warm climates (Florida, Texas, California) during the off-season.
2. NASCAR owns Grand-Am, which sanctions the Rolex Sports Car Series, the Continental Tire Series (which they call "stock cars" and in a pure sense, they are, in a bizarre way), and the North American Ferrari Challenge. They also wanted to sanction an American DTM in 2013 but it's never going to happen. So they do have plans in road racing, but I think they want to keep it differentiated from NASCAR's main series.
Solution: Sell Grand-Am to Dr. Don Panoz who can merge it into ALMS.
At present, the trend is away from road courses. The NASCAR Canadian Tire Series runs just 5 road courses now. The NASCAR Toyota Series in Mexico has become a predominantly oval series as well (their major road course is an oval with a chicane in it ), even at tracks like Hermanos Rodríguez (the former F1 course) and Miguel E. Abed (WTCC raced there) that have both ovals and road courses.
Then there's the NASCAR Euro Racecar Series, which runs almost exclusively on road courses, but for three races on the same oval in Tours. They run some interesting tracks, and I even recognize Javier Villa from GP2 and James Winslow from Atlantics...
SparkNotes: I like the idea a lot, but don't think NASCAR would bite.
Posted 19 August 2012 - 07:08 PM
Just wondering are road courses still a bit of a sour subject with the majority of NASCAR fans, or, especially after an ending like Watkins Glen, have more fans come to support them?
I guess the only way a NASCAR road/street racing series would succeed is if some or all of the manufacturers supported it. But it'd be cool to have something similar to Nationwide cars racing regularly on road courses - heavy cars, with a lot of power, a lot of mechanical grip but not much aerodynamic grip - would produce some great racing on the basis of things we've seen before, and would probably be quite physical to drive as well. It'd be great if they could produce rain tyres too.
Also, whilst we're on the subject, what did happen to Trans-Am?
Edited by JHS18, 19 August 2012 - 07:09 PM.
Posted 19 August 2012 - 08:27 PM
NASCAR have expressed interest in adding more road courses, but they will not extend the calendar beyond the 36 races they currently have. Because NASCAR is still a very healthy event, even as attendance has declined, NASCAR has the least amount of schedule turnover of just about any professional series despite having the largest calendar. No one wants to give up a race date. The only way to get on NASCAR's calendar is to buy a track that already has a race for the sole purpose of taking that race off and putting your race on. So, I too don't expect to see any races really added. Iowa Speedway and Circuit Gilles Villeneuve both want Cup dates, but no Cup race ever fails, which is obviously a good thing for the health of the sport, but frustrating if you want to see new venues.
I do think support for road racing in NASCAR has increased. Compared to other Sprint Cup races, Sonoma and Watkins Glen are about equal in TV viewership, though still a little on the low side. The Nationwide road courses...there's no meaningful data because the ratings swell when Danica is at the front and dive when she isn't, so with her running so well at Road America and Montréal, they're actually really high.
I think with the potential of getting different viewers from normal for road races (i.e. me; I don't watch many ovals but don't miss the road courses), the TV networks like it (in fact, they put the NNS from Watkins Glen on ABC). Most weeks, you get stuck in viewer redundancy, where the same people watch every NASCAR race, so your advertisements and sponsorships aren't reaching anyone new, but you can get some different fans who will watch a road course.
I'd love stock car road racing on a more regular basis. Getting the Truck Series back on road courses next year as planned would be nice.
Dramatic finish to today's race, by the way. Kind of cool for an oval.
RE: Trans-Am. It folded in 2005 due to short fields and no interest. It was re-born as something closer to a club racing series in 2009. SCCA sold it for 2012 to a different group, but still sanctions the races. Highlights from the first five rounds can be found on GoRacingTV, the owners of the series.
Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:08 AM
We've been here before...
Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:25 AM
Read that NASCAR are investigating Mark Martin's crash from yesterday. Have to say it looked a very nasty one, however freak it was, and could have been much worse. Amazed me that there are still unprotected pit wall ends around and that something similar has not happened in the past.
Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:49 PM
Now he's taken out the leader two weeks in a row. Oiling the track at Watkins Glen to ruin Kyle Busch's race and ultimately his chance of making the Chase, and now taking out Mark Martin by spinning.
Please retire, Bobby. PLEASE.
NASCAR is extremely reactive about safety. They don't even have a full-time safety team; each week it's a different set of volunteers. NASCAR never foresees a problem with anything they do; they just respond once the problem happens. They wait for the worst possible things to transpire prior to acting.
To be fair, most racing series are like that. Even F1. Take the extra driver protection around the cockpit that was implemented after Webber and someone else's crash at Melbourne. They waited for the problem to happen before addressing the problem. I don't think it's correct to be reactive, but they all are.
I'm not sure how it didn't dawn on them that the main pit walls have some protection on the ends, so that all other openings would be exactly the same and you'd want protection.
But...they let this happen with an unsecured opening...
And then they let this happen at the same track...unsecured opening again...
Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:40 PM
Tony George technically is a team owner with Ed Carpenter Racing, but it'd be awkward if he were trying to buy the series from his own family. Still, if it's to get Randy Bernard out, I can see it.
Bobby Rahal ran CART for a while, and Roger Penske has run open-wheel unofficially forever and still does.
The issue is the cost of the DW12 and replacement parts being much higher than Randy Bernard promised.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:26 AM
Now where have I heard that before?
Ah yes, BTCC with the NGTC. Supposed to be a "cost cut" car, and for many teams running an NGTC is turning out to be more expensive than an old S2000.
Seems there's quite a few championships that like to lie when talk of new regulations is around.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:01 PM
Most estimations of costs are always wrong. Not necessarily lies, and more just stupidity to believe any estimation of the cost of something won't increase by some percentage.
Things that are "cost-cutting" rather than exact figures, on the other hand, usually refer to long-term reduction in costs than short-term ones.
Every series has a lot of complaining when a new car comes in. Part of it's resistance to change, part of it's high up-front costs. But usually, a series doesn't guarantee an exact cost per part, only for the supplier to jack those prices up 25% (assuming the owners aren't exaggerating that). Not sure if the BTCC did that or not.
To me, the bigger issue is aerokits. They said we'd have them this year, but then they were delayed to 2013. And now they're cancelled. So you have the team owners who don't want aerokits, you have the series that caved in to the team owners, and now you have Honda and Chevrolet who are upset that there are no aerokits because that was their inspiration, more than the engines, to join. If you p**s Honda and Chevrolet off enough, that's a tough place to be, and I have to say I've lost a ton of interest knowing there won't be aerokits. I just have no interest in watching spec racing.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:22 PM
On another note, Aaron Fike was arrested in July 2007 for possession of heroin. He was suspended from NASCAR on July 11, 2007. Five years, one month, and ten days later, Aaron Fike has been reinstated to NASCAR. He is currently racing in USAC.
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