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[HandyNZL]

Edit: remove dead links...dead links, dead links, dem, dead links....

Edited by HandyNZL, 03 February 2011 - 10:01 AM.

[HandyNZL]

Looks like they are blowing the exhaust on the bottom wing element...which ain't the diffuser...cheeky...yet smart at the same time.

The suspension actuation rod is low down (at the chassis end), so that suggests a pull rod suspension at the rear (push rods generally always run from the bottom of the upright to the top of the chassis - easiest way to work out what sort of suspension is being used)

Also, the bumps in the nose above the front suspension is nowhere as pronounced as last year.

And isn't this the first car with a tail on the fin (literally and mechanically)?

[JHS]

Nothing too extreme looking, but I guess the devil's in the detail. This car has every right to hate RB6 right now.

Edited by JHS, 01 February 2011 - 09:14 AM.

[HandyNZL]

Massive front wing elements too I might add.

And the rear wing endplates are shaped very elegantly and different from the others.

There are lots of little details all over the car.  Looks a fine charger

[BradSpeedMan]

HandyNZL, on 01 February 2011 - 09:02 AM, said:

Looks like they are blowing the exhaust on the bottom wing element...which ain't the diffuser...cheeky...yet smart at the same time.

The suspension actuation rod is low down (at the chassis end), so that suggests a pull rod suspension at the rear (push rods generally always run from the bottom of the upright to the top of the chassis - easiest way to work out what sort of suspension is being used)

Also, the bumps in the nose above the front suspension is nowhere as pronounced as last year.

And isn't this the first car with a tail on the fin (literally and mechanically)?

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[JHS]

Vettel was quickest in testing today, I'll post a seperate thread.

[KoolMonkey]

Love it. Am very happy to see the back end of hte engine covers looking more traditional. I hated the f-duct look, where the engine cover connected with the back wing.

There's only 2 things I'd love to see changed in the future as far as body work designs go. Decreasing the width of the front wing so that is stops just before the tyre, and widening the rear wing.

[Senna's Ghost]

Last years car was a very good platform from which to build.  It'll be interesting to find out how much is new on the car and how much is carried over from the RB6.

[HandyNZL]

It's my understanding that the two monkeys have been carried over from the RB6....

[HandyNZL]

[HandyNZL]

What are the silver bits on the diffuser? The actuator for the rear wing is, shall we say, cross sectionally fat? Man those side pods are small....the back end is tight...so tight it would look hot in white pants!

[HandyNZL]

[HandyNZL]

The more I look at this car, the more I see genius....the only car with a shark fin, even if it is incredibly square...there is something afoot with the diffuser...extra holes have been reported in it...the back end is so tight, the pods so short....this is getting scarily reminiscent of the Swift DB1 cleaning up in Formula Ford when it first hit the scene...it was small, skinny, and aerodynamic...it just blew the competition away.  And to be looking like it is fast out of the box, and ahead of 2010 cars (with the trick bits) bodes sad faces and scratched heads for other teams I feel.

Shall see what Macca comes up with, but I can't see Ferrari troubling Vettel and Webber too much....Alonso is already complaining about the tyres....mate...everyone has them...maybe it's your car overworking them?

Anyways, in general I like this car.

[Rainmaster]

HandyNZL, on 02 February 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

The more I look at this car, the more I see genius....the only car with a shark fin, even if it is incredibly square...there is something afoot with the diffuser...extra holes have been reported in it...the back end is so tight, the pods so short....this is getting scarily reminiscent of the Swift DB1 cleaning up in Formula Ford when it first hit the scene...it was small, skinny, and aerodynamic...it just blew the competition away.  And to be looking like it is fast out of the box, and ahead of 2010 cars (with the trick bits) bodes sad faces and scratched heads for other teams I feel.

Shall see what Macca comes up with, but I can't see Ferrari troubling Vettel and Webber too much....Alonso is already complaining about the tyres....mate...everyone has them...maybe it's your car overworking them?

Anyways, in general I like this car.

Actually from what I've read (on good old James Allen's blog) the other teams were impressed by the longer runs Alonso was able to do on the tyres, suggesting the Ferrari is easy on them. He did complain though, but so did Kubica and others. Time will tell.

[Quiet One]

I was reading the newslines today on TF1 and make me laugh that there was one saying Alonso already complaining about the tires whereas most of the others focused on him being happy with his performance and most articles highlighting what James did, the remarkable speed and reliability. Talk about biased newslines lol

[Delta]

HandyNZL, on 02 February 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

The more I look at this car, the more I see genius....the only car with a shark fin, even if it is incredibly square...there is something afoot with the diffuser...extra holes have been reported in it...the back end is so tight, the pods so short....this is getting scarily reminiscent of the Swift DB1 cleaning up in Formula Ford when it first hit the scene...it was small, skinny, and aerodynamic...it just blew the competition away.  And to be looking like it is fast out of the box, and ahead of 2010 cars (with the trick bits) bodes sad faces and scratched heads for other teams I feel.

Shall see what Macca comes up with, but I can't see Ferrari troubling Vettel and Webber too much....Alonso is already complaining about the tyres....mate...everyone has them...maybe it's your car overworking them?

Anyways, in general I like this car.

Rumours I am hearing is that the new McLaren is also likely to have something similar to Renault's new exhaust system, and that MGP and RBR are looking into it. Will be interesting to see who can make the best advantage of it.

[JHS]

The thing is, it'll be wonderfully difficult to impliment unless the original car design was designed around this concept. I doubt everyone will have this system straight away. Some, like Ross Brawn, don't even think it is an advantage. Sure, test times don't generally say too much, but it certainly isn't clear that this system is a big benefit.

[HandyNZL]

They need gimmicks to keep up with Newey, mate...that's their problem

[freaky2]

Hahah! If the Renault (I refuse to call it anything else until I get used to it) was topping the timesheets it would be easier to choose, but to implement an unproven system just because it's different than the one on the RB7... hmmm. Doesn't sound wise to me.

[Delta]

JHS, on 03 February 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

The thing is, it'll be wonderfully difficult to impliment unless the original car design was designed around this concept. I doubt everyone will have this system straight away. Some, like Ross Brawn, don't even think it is an advantage. Sure, test times don't generally say too much, but it certainly isn't clear that this system is a big benefit.

From what I can gather, no monocoque modifications would be needed, so it wouldn't be as hard to implement as the F-Duct was.

[HandyNZL]

Agreed.

I read somewhere, some news reporter dude going on about having to make the pipes do 180-deg turns, and as such there would be no room for this under the engine covers.

I guess he doesn't realise that you can build a header to go in the opposite direction directly off the manifold?

Wheres Roebuck when you need him to hit these "motorsport reporters" over the head with a Haines car manual?

[Quiet One]

Well as somebody else pointed out, the 800 plus degrees exhaust gases will go around the KERS unit and gas tank, so you will wasnt to be sure that overheating is not a problem and that's j ust for starters.

[Delta]

Quiet One, on 03 February 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

Well as somebody else pointed out, the 800 plus degrees exhaust gases will go around the KERS unit and gas tank, so you will wasnt to be sure that overheating is not a problem and that's j ust for starters.

None of the teams that implemented the EBD last year had a problem with overheating, I personally believe that most of the big teams will have some sort of working implementation reasonably quickly.

[BradSpeedMan]

Someone posting on testing on James Allen's blog. You can of course, not believe any of this....


"Well, I have been there first 2 days of testing, seeing it with my own eyes, having a clear view of the first corner.

And I don’t want to spoil the season for F1 fans but I can tell you RBR are sand-bagging….a lot.

The speed with which Vettel took that car through the first corner is ridiculous. Visibly and dramatically faster than any other car. Long stints, short stints, doesn’t matter. Compared to the other cars it almost looks like you are watching one of those old Charlie Chaplin films which plays a bit faster than normal.

And the rest of the lap, especially between the corners he slowed down intentionally.

People who saw it for the first few times, the way he took it around the 1st corner, were exclaiming ‘oooohs’ and ‘woooows’. I think RBR noticed that too, surprised maybe others weren’t able to go that fast around it, so around the end of the 1st day they stopped going that fast around the corner. 2nd day they only did it only now and then.

So unless the 2011 Mclaren comes up with something similar that goes as fast around the corner, this season is already over, because the RBR is also reliable. The Ferrari won’t cut it, the Mercedes won’t either and the Renault is all hot air around the exhaust system which gave them problems (word there was that the reperations were about that, not the things they said publicaly).

Yes it is ‘just’ testing, but if you saw it with your own eyes you know what is up. So I easily predict RBR Constructors Champion and Vettel Drivers Champion around Singapore, barring weird unexpected happenings in the race…but then again, we had quite a few of those, so OK, around Korea it is settled then, ha!"


This is from James Allen himself..."Mark Webber was fourth fastest in the Red Bull and set his fastest time on the second lap of a six lap run, on what looked like a pretty high fuel load. His lap times on the run were mainly in the 1m 15s."

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 03 February 2011 - 09:16 PM.

[Autumnpuma]

HandyNZL, on 02 February 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

The more I look at this car, the more I see genius....the only car with a shark fin, even if it is incredibly square...there is something afoot with the diffuser...extra holes have been reported in it...the back end is so tight, the pods so short....this is getting scarily reminiscent of the Swift DB1 cleaning up in Formula Ford when it first hit the scene...it was small, skinny, and aerodynamic...it just blew the competition away.  And to be looking like it is fast out of the box, and ahead of 2010 cars (with the trick bits) bodes sad faces and scratched heads for other teams I feel.

Shall see what Macca comes up with, but I can't see Ferrari troubling Vettel and Webber too much....Alonso is already complaining about the tyres....mate...everyone has them...maybe it's your car overworking them?

Anyways, in general I like this car.

From what I've been reading, the RB7 exploits the EBD rule and is routing their exhaust so that it blows inside the diffuser. Same idea as what they ran last year, but over a smaller surface area. Still a huge downforce gain and a bunch better than the other solution which is to blow the exhaust through the starter hole (Ferrari had a rear-end fire trying this solution out).

The RB7 looks clean and fast. The competition might have caught up, but I expect this car to fight for the championship again.

Delta, on 03 February 2011 - 02:07 AM, said:

Rumours I am hearing is that the new McLaren is also likely to have something similar to Renault's new exhaust system, and that MGP and RBR are looking into it. Will be interesting to see who can make the best advantage of it.

I'm dubious about the front-exit exhaust. It requires a longer pipe and that doesn't jive well with a high-revving engine. I don't know that the aero gains will be worth the potential loss in horsepower.

[Delta]

Autumnpuma, on 03 February 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

From what I've been reading, the RB7 exploits the EBD rule and is routing their exhaust so that it blows inside the diffuser. Same idea as what they ran last year, but over a smaller surface area. Still a huge downforce gain and a bunch better than the other solution which is to blow the exhaust through the starter hole (Ferrari had a rear-end fire trying this solution out).

The RB7 looks clean and fast. The competition might have caught up, but I expect this car to fight for the championship again.




I'm dubious about the front-exit exhaust. It requires a longer pipe and that doesn't jive well with a high-revving engine. I don't know that the aero gains will be worth the potential loss in horsepower.

I guess we will see what McLaren do, it could also be that they have also found a way to exploit the rear diffuser loophole.

[Senna's Ghost]

BradSpeedMan, on 03 February 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

Someone posting on testing on James Allen's blog. You can of course, not believe any of this....


"Well, I have been there first 2 days of testing, seeing it with my own eyes, having a clear view of the first corner.

And I don’t want to spoil the season for F1 fans but I can tell you RBR are sand-bagging….a lot.

The speed with which Vettel took that car through the first corner is ridiculous. Visibly and dramatically faster than any other car. Long stints, short stints, doesn’t matter. Compared to the other cars it almost looks like you are watching one of those old Charlie Chaplin films which plays a bit faster than normal.

And the rest of the lap, especially between the corners he slowed down intentionally.

People who saw it for the first few times, the way he took it around the 1st corner, were exclaiming ‘oooohs’ and ‘woooows’. I think RBR noticed that too, surprised maybe others weren’t able to go that fast around it, so around the end of the 1st day they stopped going that fast around the corner. 2nd day they only did it only now and then.

So unless the 2011 Mclaren comes up with something similar that goes as fast around the corner, this season is already over, because the RBR is also reliable. The Ferrari won’t cut it, the Mercedes won’t either and the Renault is all hot air around the exhaust system which gave them problems (word there was that the reperations were about that, not the things they said publicaly).

Yes it is ‘just’ testing, but if you saw it with your own eyes you know what is up. So I easily predict RBR Constructors Champion and Vettel Drivers Champion around Singapore, barring weird unexpected happenings in the race…but then again, we had quite a few of those, so OK, around Korea it is settled then, ha!"


This is from James Allen himself..."Mark Webber was fourth fastest in the Red Bull and set his fastest time on the second lap of a six lap run, on what looked like a pretty high fuel load. His lap times on the run were mainly in the 1m 15s."

Lets hope that this is exaggeration for the sake of the season ahead of us although the evidence that James Allen himself writes indicates that the RB is a very fast car from the start.  I bet there was a great deal of back slapping, fist pumping and smiles allround behind closed doors after the first day of testing.

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[BradSpeedMan]

BradSpeedMan, on 03 February 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

Someone posting on testing on James Allen's blog. You can of course, not believe any of this....


"Well, I have been there first 2 days of testing, seeing it with my own eyes, having a clear view of the first corner.

And I don’t want to spoil the season for F1 fans but I can tell you RBR are sand-bagging….a lot.

The speed with which Vettel took that car through the first corner is ridiculous. Visibly and dramatically faster than any other car. Long stints, short stints, doesn’t matter. Compared to the other cars it almost looks like you are watching one of those old Charlie Chaplin films which plays a bit faster than normal.

And the rest of the lap, especially between the corners he slowed down intentionally.

People who saw it for the first few times, the way he took it around the 1st corner, were exclaiming ‘oooohs’ and ‘woooows’. I think RBR noticed that too, surprised maybe others weren’t able to go that fast around it, so around the end of the 1st day they stopped going that fast around the corner. 2nd day they only did it only now and then.

So unless the 2011 Mclaren comes up with something similar that goes as fast around the corner, this season is already over, because the RBR is also reliable. The Ferrari won’t cut it, the Mercedes won’t either and the Renault is all hot air around the exhaust system which gave them problems (word there was that the reperations were about that, not the things they said publicaly).

Yes it is ‘just’ testing, but if you saw it with your own eyes you know what is up. So I easily predict RBR Constructors Champion and Vettel Drivers Champion around Singapore, barring weird unexpected happenings in the race…but then again, we had quite a few of those, so OK, around Korea it is settled then, ha!"
[b]

WOW, this fan deserves some kind of medal and a half....He was spot-on!!!!

[Autumnpuma]

BradSpeedMan, on 26 October 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

WOW, this fan deserves some kind of medal and a half....He was spot-on!!!!

Why? For doing math? All he/she had to do is assume Red Bull (Vettel) would win almost all the races and that would put you at Singapore-ish for the championship.