As most will have read by now, there are rumours afoot that both Ferrari and Red Bull are being offered shares in Formula One as part of a $10billion US float of Formula One; something that ties in nicely with the both of them walking out of FOTA.
What worries me the most is that if Ferrari and Red Bull both have seats on the board, as has been reported, then they will be able to directly influence the direction of Formula One. That is not to say that they will make the rules, but they will be able to have a more than unfair say on the direction the sport takes, eg where they race, what it will cost fans to get into races etc etc...if you stop and think about it, there are many, many things that they can have a say on...even perhaps barring teams from entering the sport (something Luca would be keen on, and replacing with three car teams).
The other thing I hate is that Ferrari already gets special treatment, for really nothing it seems to me. And even with the unfair advantage they already have over the others in terms of both the money they get from F1 and their veto vote on the World Motorsport Council, the above just makes my stomach roll over even more.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:55 AM
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:58 AM
HandyNZL, on 19 March 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:
As most will have read by now, there are rumours afoot that both Ferrari and Red Bull are being offered shares in Formula One as part of a $10billion US float of Formula One; something that ties in nicely with the both of them walking out of FOTA.
What worries me the most is that if Ferrari and Red Bull both have seats on the board, as has been reported, then they will be able to directly influence the direction of Formula One. That is not to say that they will make the rules, but they will be able to have a more than unfair say on the direction the sport takes, eg where they race, what it will cost fans to get into races etc etc...if you stop and think about it, there are many, many things that they can have a say on...even perhaps barring teams from entering the sport (something Luca would be keen on, and replacing with three car teams).
The other thing I hate is that Ferrari already gets special treatment, for really nothing it seems to me. And even with the unfair advantage they already have over the others in terms of both the money they get from F1 and their veto vote on the World Motorsport Council, the above just makes my stomach roll over even more.
What worries me the most is that if Ferrari and Red Bull both have seats on the board, as has been reported, then they will be able to directly influence the direction of Formula One. That is not to say that they will make the rules, but they will be able to have a more than unfair say on the direction the sport takes, eg where they race, what it will cost fans to get into races etc etc...if you stop and think about it, there are many, many things that they can have a say on...even perhaps barring teams from entering the sport (something Luca would be keen on, and replacing with three car teams).
The other thing I hate is that Ferrari already gets special treatment, for really nothing it seems to me. And even with the unfair advantage they already have over the others in terms of both the money they get from F1 and their veto vote on the World Motorsport Council, the above just makes my stomach roll over even more.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:59 AM
Not sure if Santander has enough money to put 24 Ferrari's on the grid....
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:02 AM
HandyNZL, on 19 March 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:
Not sure if Santander has enough money to put 24 Ferrari's on the grid....
They have 4 cars already, got to believe in the possibilities of dreams they say...
Edited by BradSpeedMan, 19 March 2012 - 09:05 AM.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:11 AM
Four?
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HandyNZL, on 19 March 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:
Four?
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:18 AM
They're only there as part of the Alonso leaving fund....sure to run out pretty soon....
I see they are listed as number 5 in the "Partners"...just one spot up from Lucozade....
I see they are listed as number 5 in the "Partners"...just one spot up from Lucozade....
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:24 AM
HandyNZL, on 19 March 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:
They're only there as part of the Alonso leaving fund....sure to run out pretty soon....
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
Multi21 on JA blog
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:27 AM
Four years is pretty soon.... 
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Anyway, back to the topic...
Many paddock insiders, however, believe the deals are already done in principle, leading one angry rival team boss to blast: “Formula one stopped being about racing a long time ago”.
“There will be an end game to this,” he added. “We just have to figure out what it is and what it means for the people in the teams who want to go racing and not be involved in this kind of thing.
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What are they in for then? But it's really quite sad. Ferrari prospered in the early 2000's with beneficial deals like these...
Many paddock insiders, however, believe the deals are already done in principle, leading one angry rival team boss to blast: “Formula one stopped being about racing a long time ago”.
“There will be an end game to this,” he added. “We just have to figure out what it is and what it means for the people in the teams who want to go racing and not be involved in this kind of thing.
F1Zone
What are they in for then? But it's really quite sad. Ferrari prospered in the early 2000's with beneficial deals like these...
Edited by BradSpeedMan, 19 March 2012 - 10:00 AM.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
Multi21 on JA blog
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:58 AM
BradSpeedMan, on 19 March 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:
Expect Fernando to win the title again soon, with or without inherited wins...
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:22 PM
I like fast cars.
I've got nothing else to say about the politics.
I've got nothing else to say about the politics.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:42 PM
I still like fast cars, but maybe some of you will like to read this:
http://www.autoblog....ommercial-deal/
http://www.autoblog....ommercial-deal/
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Massa, on 26 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:
I still like fast cars, but maybe some of you will like to read this:
http://www.autoblog....ommercial-deal/
http://www.autoblog....ommercial-deal/
Heh, the article implies that Mercedes is a "Top Team", Oh, I wish ...
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Heh, the article implies that Mercedes is a "Top Team", Oh, I wish ...
Worse still, it implies Ferrari is one.
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Rainmaster, on 26 March 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:
Worse still, it implies Ferrari is one.
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Hey, getting the teams involved? Great, they may actually bring some much needed sense to the table then!
And by that, I just mean that...well, the more brains the merrier, yeah?
And by that, I just mean that...well, the more brains the merrier, yeah?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:35 PM
Going to Autoblog for F1 news is like going to my posts for anything you haven't already heard before.
Doesn't matter much to me who they bring in to run it, or who makes decisions, or who owns it, or who is on the grid. It'll go on and on and on and on regardless and I just like to watch racing (in moderation; I usually just pick one a week and rotate through a bunch of series).
Doesn't matter much to me who they bring in to run it, or who makes decisions, or who owns it, or who is on the grid. It'll go on and on and on and on regardless and I just like to watch racing (in moderation; I usually just pick one a week and rotate through a bunch of series).
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It won't happen. Teams want to race not own equity in the series they race in. That's not their business. It would completely unbalance the status quo of the sport. Smoke and mirrors from Bernie. What I want to know is what's behind it?
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What's behind it? Bernie is old and the guy he had as number two at Delta Topco left....
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Oh, it's a mods debate
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HandyNZL, on 27 March 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:
What's behind it? Bernie is old and the guy he had as number two at Delta Topco left....
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Oh, it's a mods debate
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Oh booo hooo, doom and gloom. Ferrari and Red Bull clearly have an agenda to destroy F1 by controlling it and erradicating all competitors with an evil master plan.
The sport will explode, all the drivers will sh*t in their nomexes and we'll be forced to watch milf float racing.
Teenagers are so disrespectful, milk is too expensive and be afraid of anyone black moving in next door to you.
Apart from that, I think it will all be fine.
Sorry, my penis fell off with apathy.
The sport will explode, all the drivers will sh*t in their nomexes and we'll be forced to watch milf float racing.
Teenagers are so disrespectful, milk is too expensive and be afraid of anyone black moving in next door to you.
Apart from that, I think it will all be fine.
Sorry, my penis fell off with apathy.
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dribbler, on 28 March 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:
The sport will explode, all the drivers will sh*t in their nomexes and we'll be forced to watch milf float racing.
Sorry to quote myself but I laughed out loud at my error. However, what a fantastic idea for a new sport. Made me think of a few more;
Lesbian bobbing
Twat slapping
Gay Lord ducking
Git tripping
Banker burning
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dribbler, on 28 March 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:
Sorry to quote myself but I laughed out loud at my error. However, what a fantastic idea for a new sport. Made me think of a few more;
Lesbian bobbing
Twat slapping
Gay Lord ducking
Git tripping
Banker burning
Lesbian bobbing
Twat slapping
Gay Lord ducking
Git tripping
Banker burning
Instant like, especially that last one. The other two are beyond my comprehension right now.
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Git - slang shortening of "Geez you are an absolute frigging idiot"
Twat - slang for a womans v-jay-jay, used here in a derogatory sense along the same lines of Git (see above)
Twat - slang for a womans v-jay-jay, used here in a derogatory sense along the same lines of Git (see above)
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freaky2, on 28 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:
The other two are beyond my comprehension right now.
Now sober, I tend to agree.
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"To be brutal and honest I don't have a thin skin and others who whine over every little thing will not curry favour. I'm just going to try to keep this place fun, as it has been for all of these years." Pumpdoc, 8th Decemeber 2010.
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Wait, people think that Bernie using divide and conquer tactics is something new?
If FOTA wanted to send a message they had that chance when they were going to form the breakaway series. They didn't and Bernie realistically now knows that he has the teams over the barrel.
If FOTA wanted to send a message they had that chance when they were going to form the breakaway series. They didn't and Bernie realistically now knows that he has the teams over the barrel.
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freaky2, on 28 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:
Instant like, especially that last one. The other two are beyond my comprehension right now.
Re twat slapping - just ask Adam as he is the original twatface
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