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[Massa]

I've always been fascinated by rumors/speculation that were popular for a time in the past and never came to fruition.  I'd love to know some of the ones from days gone by.

I was reminded of this topic (I'd explored it before in American racing for a blog entry on another site years ago) after reading about a Jochen Rindt rumor on another forum today (I don't want to link to the other forum because I got in trouble for that once years ago, but I do want to give credit to the poster, "Big G 94" for sharing this information).

What I didn't know: when Jim Clark raced in the NASCAR event at Rockingham (North Carolina, not Corby, England) in 1967, he was actually going to hand the car over at some point to Jochen Rindt.  Clark raced his way from twenty-fourth to twelfth before a mechanical failure sidelined him, and thus Rindt never drove.

Anyway, it is being alleged, I think in a book about Rindt, that he had bet with Bill France, Jr., then the guy in charge of NASCAR, and was going to switch to NASCAR in 1971 had he lived.  Apparently, he felt the pay for the amount of risk involved in NASCAR was much fairer than in F1 at the time, and there was seemingly a Ford connection (Holman-Moody was the team Clark drove for...big Ford team at the time), so he agreed to France's offer.  To this day, NASCAR still solicits drivers/riders in other disciplines that they find marketable in hopes of enticing them to join, so it's not a surprise.

I found that really interesting, maybe someone knows something about that, or any other really interesting rumors from any era of F1 (though telling us rumors from 2011 like Petrov to Marussia is probably not what I'm really looking for ).  I'd love to hear some, since most of mine are U.S.-centric (either F1 drivers coming here to race, or drivers racing here going over there) and I'm sure there were some really interesting ones.

[Massa]

Some ones that are less interesting than Rindt:

Bryan Herta, who tested with Minardi in 2002, was rumored to replace Alex Yoong starting with that year's Hungarian Grand Prix.  Herta was 32 and racing in ALMS at the time; though he had won two races at Laguna Seca, he had done little of consequence in CART, and didn't exactly have these massive backers to help out.  It would have been the strangest thing had he raced.  Minardi also looked at fellow American Townsend Bell, which makes me wonder if some sort of American partner was in talks with them.  Herta and Bell would later find Honda in their lives.  Herta drove for Andretti Green, the big Honda team, in IndyCar and then again for the Acura program in ALMS.  He now owns an IndyCar team of his own, which has a Honda engine, and did all the initial testing for the new IndyCar with Honda.  Bell would become a test driver for BAR-Honda in 2004 after finishing ninth in F3000; his teammate, Bjorn Wirdheim, won the title.

Greg Moore was well-liked by Mercedes.  He drove them in CART, after all, and was an incredible young talent.  Moore was offered David Coulthard's seat at McLaren by Norbert Haug for 2000.  Though Moore passed on October 31, 1999, he had already made his decision: he would stay in CART, driving the Reynard/Honda for Roger Penske.  He also indicated he was more inclined to go to NASCAR than F1, which is too bad, because he had so much raw talent and car control (he actually used ice racing in the winter to learn how to control a frisky racecar, particularly for the 900 horsepower monsters they were running on speedways at the time.  He was a great oval racer, and many, like Tomas Scheckter, who have driven both F1 cars and Indy-style cars, say the oval racing in Indy is much more similar to F1 than the road/street circuits are, because of how the cars handle in the corners and how you drive them).  Moore's passing led to his manager, Alan Miller, getting Hélio Castroneves in the Penske seat; Miller was later involved in Castroneves' tax evasion issues in 2009.

When the USGP location was being decided upon for its 2000 return, Indianapolis was not the only candidate.  Here's one in Las Vegas:



Also considered was Road Atlanta (needed major safety improvements).  Brandy Station, Virginia; Dallas, Texas; San Francisco, California; and Los Angeles, California had bids, too, for undetermined tracks.  Disney also considered expanding their Walt Disney World Speedway in Orlando, then an oval track, to include F1, but decided against it (not sure how far their bid went; Disney owns ABC and ESPN, which televised F1 in the U.S. for a while.  At that time, I think races were on Speedvision and FSN, though ABC did air races again in 2002-ish).

There you go.  Now give me some to read.

[Rainmaster]

This topic deserved more but I guess if everyone's memory is as bad as mine that would explain the lack of replies.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

Ah Greg Moore. Amazing talent, horrific accident.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

Massa, on 14 May 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

I've always been fascinated by rumors/speculation that were popular for a time in the past and never came to fruition.  I'd love to know some of the ones from days gone by.

Oh yes, like the one that Max Mosley's heart was not really made of stone

Seriously...

What about Rossi getting a seat in F1?
Or girly drivers that were alleged to be coming in and never quite made it e.g. Sarah Kavanagh
Or F1 tyres to be filled with custard....

[PaulCrossling]

I know the one about Greg Moore going to McLaren in 2000 is not true, before his death he has signed to go to Penske in the IRL, the drive that was taken by Helio Castroneves.  Moores name was crossed out on the contact and replaced in ink with Castroneves, as that was the cause of the legal problems he had a couple of years ago

[jemstride]

Struggling to think of any at the moment. The Mika Hakkinen comeback (to the BAR team) floated around for a while around 2004.

Valentino Rossi was indeed a stupid idea and I'm glad it never gained much strength!

[BradSpeedMan]

Eric, you have an amazing capacity for information...unfortunately it just tires me out...


and thats my contribution to the thread.....

[ecapdeville]

Congratulations for the info... Great time reading it

[Massa]

Here's one that blew my mind.  Perhaps some remember it; I'm newer to F1.  How interesting that this was never mentioned in conjunction with the US F1 stuff a few years ago.

http://patronisef1.c...ry-ofphoenix-f1