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[Ikyrotz]

Quiet One, on 01 September 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

Two Americans living close to each other and actually following F1?

Quick! Move the CotA over there!

Well, I'm not American ;P, that would be my wife who always refers to F1 as "that ****ing NASCAR".

[Quiet One]

Ikyrotz, on 01 September 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Well, I'm not American ;P, that would be my wife who always refers to F1 as "that ****ing NASCAR".

Yeah, I realized it after I posted that is why I edited it

[Massa]

Quiet One, on 01 September 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

http://planetf1.com/...one-By-Old-Wing

Thanks.

Sounds, unsurprisingly, a lot less controversial than people were making it out to be.

[Quiet One]

So...it's Maldonado and Hamilton together again...all the way to La Source...

Alonso must make one of his famous blitzering stats unless he wants to get caught between those!

Again a nice train on the clean side of the starting grid: Kimi, Alonso, Lewis.

DoD will be De la Rosa, no matter what happens on Sunday. He beat the fastest guy on P1 by almost half a second. Take that, Pic!

[Quiet One]

Quote

"If we want to win the championship we need to be quicker and improve the car. That's the only answer we have now and our maximum concentration and effort is to do so. It's true that without the perfect car we have had good races and good points but we know it will be difficult to continue like this forever. Everything went well after qualifying but we need to keep working hard to improve the situation."

You can accuse Nando of being whatever you want except being unrealistic.

[JHS18]

I've no idea why anyone watches qualifying any more. Because you can almost guarantee that whatever the times are at the end of the session, that WON'T be the way the grid forms up on Sunday.

Penalties for Maldonado, Webber, Rosberg, Kimi was under investigation.

Oh dear.

Edited by JHS18, 01 September 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[freaky2]

But we already knew about Webber and Rosberg ahead of qualy, that's no big deal. And they haven't penalised Kimi which means that they are only being fair

(it's just a joke, I swear!)

[Quiet One]

JHS18, on 01 September 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

I've no idea why anyone watches qualifying any more. Because you can almost guarantee that whatever the times are at the end of the session, that WON'T be the way the grid forms up on Sunday.

Penalties for Maldonado, Webber, Rosberg, Kimi was under investigation.

Oh dear.

You point being...

- Guys should use broken gearboxes?
- Blocking is great, the fact that you complained about Narain blocking other drivers before being just a misunderstanding because you actually don't like his helmet design, not against the concept of blocking at all?
- Track layout should be considered merely a rough guideline on what's the best way to get from start to finish?

[Rainmaster]

I don't see any issue with the penalties given. It's a big track, plenty of space for Maldonado to get out the way and gear box penalties (Webber and Rosberg), annoying as they are, are necessary.

Hamilton chose the slower wing so he can't complain too much. Although apparently he did go on some kind of rant on Twitter, profanity included, and now deleted.

Edited by Rainmaster, 01 September 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[Quiet One]

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102137
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102152

Compare those two articles to notice the difference. Nothing too big (well, had it be Alonso everybody would be jumping on "he blames the team! He is no team player! ARGGGGHHH" ) but it shows how frustrated they were. I thought the difference between Jenson and Lewis was because of some sort of contrived team strategy but it seems it was genuine qualy pace.

Those are the kind of mistakes you cannot afford to make this season. Any other season would have been a minor setback, this year these are championship turning points. A 9/10 won't do this year. You need at least a 9.5/10  to remain competitive. That is also why Alonso is so vocal about the car's slowness. He knows they can't count on the other guys mistakes, because they will also sooner or later make their own.

A fascinating season, and unpredictable precisely because it demands so much from each driver/team.

[JHS18]

Quiet One, on 01 September 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

You point being...

- Guys should use broken gearboxes?
- Blocking is great, the fact that you complained about Narain blocking other drivers before being just a misunderstanding because you actually don't like his helmet design, not against the concept of blocking at all?
- Track layout should be considered merely a rough guideline on what's the best way to get from start to finish?

No, but just for once it'd be nice to watch a qualifying session and know, okay that's the way they'll form up, instead of having loads of penalties. Pretty sure it never used to be this bad.

How do you think the sport looks to casual fans when you can watch a qualifying session, go away, and then have to go through the amendments for seemingly the rest of time?

It's just annoying really. I can't argue against the penalties given as they are the rules, just state that it'd be better if it didn't happen. And there's no set penalty either it seems. It's what, 5 places for a gearbox change, 3 places for blocking, put to the back of the grid for a fuel irregularity? There's not much consistency, and my point was more on the basis that if I was a casual observer, I'd really find it difficult to understand why these guys got penalties in the first place, and how they came to that conclusion.

[Massa]

The FIA's Formula One stewards are the highest quality in the world of racing as I know it.  I've never seen a better officiated series in my life.  If the guys keep breaking the rules, the results will keep changing.  It's easy to be upset with the FIA for investigating things and penalizing violations they find, but they wouldn't do that if everyone followed their rules.  And if everyone followed their rules, it wouldn't be racing anymore, so nothing you can do there.

[Quiet One]

JHS18, on 01 September 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

No, but just for once it'd be nice to watch a qualifying session and know, okay that's the way they'll form up, instead of having loads of penalties. Pretty sure it never used to be this bad.

How do you think the sport looks to casual fans when you can watch a qualifying session, go away, and then have to go through the amendments for seemingly the rest of time?

It's just annoying really. I can't argue against the penalties given as they are the rules, just state that it'd be better if it didn't happen. And there's no set penalty either it seems. It's what, 5 places for a gearbox change, 3 places for blocking, put to the back of the grid for a fuel irregularity? There's not much consistency, and my point was more on the basis that if I was a casual observer, I'd really find it difficult to understand why these guys got penalties in the first place, and how they came to that conclusion.

Ahhh, now that's something I could agree with. Although it is not actually applicable to this case, I do agree that there are way too many rules, though not as much as we think as it is still probably more understandable than baseball, and if Eric can understand baseball then it must not be so difficult to understand F1

Fewer rules would be great, but it is not simple in a sport like F1 to mess with them without risking some great inbalance.

Nonetheless, worth a try.

[Quiet One]

Not sure if anybody recalls this moment but I was watching the highlights of qualy and there was  this time when Perez is for some reason almost stopped at the pit exit (with green light) and some marshall nearby. Lewis is exiting at full speed (with the speed limiter on, of course) and he goes to the right to avoid Perez in a sudden manoeuvre that makes the marshall jump out of the way for his life.

Now, I am not claiming for a penalty for Lewis or nothing like that, but it is strange that no investigation from the stewards was informed. It seemed VERY dangerous. No idea who is to blame: why was Perez almost stopped at the pitlane exit with green lights??? Why was that guy out there? Why did Lewis almost collect the guy? In any case the 3 of them were part on something that could very well have ended up in a tragedy, either a 2 car crash or a guy ran over. Yet there was no mention of it.

Again, I don't have any idea if some punishment was due or if some rule was brreached, but it should at least be analyzed because was the only actually dangerous situation that happened and they should at least find ways to avoid such situations in the future (e.g.: "guys, do not stop at pitlane exit just because" "guys, you should not think that having the right to ovetake another car takes precedence over obvious safety concerns" "marshals, don't be stupid and stay away from traffic")

[Rainmaster]

I'd forgotten about that, but I think it was the second time this season (the other being the marshals collecting debris without a safety car in Valencia(?)) that seemed really dangerous yet nobody commented on (nobody in this case being news sites and commentators at the time).

Edited by Rainmaster, 01 September 2012 - 08:07 PM.

[Quiet One]

Rainmaster, on 01 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I'd forgotten about that, but I think it was the second time this season (the other being the marshals collecting debris without a safety car in Valencia(?)) that seemed really dangerous yet nobody commented on (nobody in this case being news sites and commentators at the time).

Yup.

Again, I am not calling for a punishment. But it woud have been nice that the stewards at least said "we looked into it and found it it was a freak coincidence of factors which we don't think will ever happen again. Anyways, we will issue recomendations to drivers/marshalls as to prevent future ocurrences of the same"

So as to make us think that they are really looking into safety concerns...I'm just saying...

[maure]

Massa, on 27 August 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

F1's back this weekend.  I hope you guys enjoyed the summer break and put those extra free hours to good use.  I can't say I did either of those but it wasn't as agonizing as I figured it would be.

There's a lot of cliché and hyperbole to be said about Spa-Francorchamps, which is a good track that doesn't have anything on La Sarthe or the big Nürburgring but does hold the honor of being one of the few race tracks commonly called "the world's greatest" by people who are not American racing promoters.

So I'll say this:



Glad to have F1 back.  What are we expecting for this one?

It's a good video.

[Quiet One]

Postcard from the pre race: Kimi dribbling journalists while walking down the track

Lewis "Twittergate" grows as Hammy published now telemetry data on his twitter account. I'd say the cold war that has been silently developing between the team and LH has reached a new level. Clearly there's no love between Macca and Lewis. This goes beyond normal business negotiations....but that's a  matter to discuss in a different thread.

[AleHop]

maure, on 02 September 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

It's a good video.

Good to see you around with Mr. Burns again.

It look's we'll watch a fantastic race. There're different configurations on the cars, some quicker on S1 and S3, others faster on S2. I expect it's better to have more top speed if you have to pass some cars but what will happen with the tires? Nobody really knows a thing about the tire degradation today.

BTW, Hamilton posted a pic of his telemetry sheet on twitter!!! It was very soon then removed of course.

[AleHop]

Andrés, the TWITTERGATE is mine!

[AleHop]

FFS!!!

[LabradoRacer]

Alonso out! A pity that Hamilton also out

Hope Vettel, Webber, Kimi make the most of this race now.

[Quiet One]

Lewis

EDIT: Actually it was Grosjean. So...Romain

Edited by Quiet One, 02 September 2012 - 12:09 PM.

[LabradoRacer]

Did Maldonado have a jump start?

[AleHop]

penalty for Grosjean as they do with Maldonado.

[Ikyrotz]

I think someone should have a talk with Grosjean, looked like he was being way too aggressive at the start. He simply can't go on like this, it's getting dangerous.

[Quiet One]

Maldonado jumped the start yes.

Romain managed to ruin Alonsos run of point finishes, give a heavy blow to his title chances and almost behead him. All that because of their times at Renault? How bitter can a man be? (Just kidding)

[LabradoRacer]

Maldonado has to be thrown out.

[AleHop]

It's not the first time Grosjean does a stupid thin like that. Glad it wasn't Maldonado.

[LabradoRacer]

WTF, Kova?