profound? not at all; besides the point? entirely. I do not think i was disputing that fact that Vettel won; nor that nobody will care about who came second in 2012 ten years from now... however, asking you to follow a path of logical reasoning appears utterly pointless. your being unable to recognise facts staring you at the face says a lot about you. lets try again, could answer these simple questions for me?
How many drivers moved out of the way in Brazil to let Vettel through? and Alnso?
How did Vettel and Alonso compare in GPs where it reined this year?
take your time
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:21 PM
ipaneda, on 26 November 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:
profound? not at all; besides the point? entirely. I do not think i was disputing that fact that Vettel won; nor that nobody will care about who came second in 2012 ten years from now... however, asking you to follow a path of logical reasoning appears utterly pointless. your being unable to recognise facts staring you at the face says a lot about you. lets try again, could answer these simple questions for me?
How many drivers moved out of the way in Brazil to let Vettel through? and Alnso?
How did Vettel and Alonso compare in GPs where it reined this year?
take your time
How many drivers moved out of the way in Brazil to let Vettel through? and Alnso?
How did Vettel and Alonso compare in GPs where it reined this year?
take your time
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:34 AM
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Nothing wrong with a bit of spleen venting. I disagree with every word, but thoroughly enjoyed the read. Thanks, Cav.
This is exactly how I feel.
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BradSpeedMan, on 26 November 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:
When u learn to spell the word rain or rained, as in past tense, correctly I might think of answering you. Right now the bed is calling. So, just to remind you once more, here for your amusement... Sebastian Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever.....
Yes, yes, whatever dude, but when you are done cleaning the mess in your bed from your wet dreams, pls answer the questions.
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ipaneda, on 27 November 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:
Yes, yes, whatever dude, but when you are done cleaning the mess in your bed from your wet dreams, pls answer the questions.
But now...I leave you with good inspiring words to reflect upon.... Sebastian Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever. Heil Heil!!!
I hope you feel inspired!!!
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:32 AM
1. Vettel won the championship
2. Alonso did not win the championship
3. Both had good support from their teams
4. It is impossible to say who the better driver is because F1 is a team sport
5. Vettel did not always have the best car
6. Alonso did not always have the best car.
7. Other things that try to dilute the petty arguments and mud slinging.
2. Alonso did not win the championship
3. Both had good support from their teams
4. It is impossible to say who the better driver is because F1 is a team sport
5. Vettel did not always have the best car
6. Alonso did not always have the best car.
7. Other things that try to dilute the petty arguments and mud slinging.
Listening to MSTRKRFT - Fist of God
Music connects people through the unspoken appreciation of something that sounds right. Something that taps into the deepest corners of your soul, making you feel alive. When someone else gets it too and you know they do, it feels beautiful.
"To be brutal and honest I don't have a thin skin and others who whine over every little thing will not curry favour. I'm just going to try to keep this place fun, as it has been for all of these years." Pumpdoc, 8th Decemeber 2010.
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"To be brutal and honest I don't have a thin skin and others who whine over every little thing will not curry favour. I'm just going to try to keep this place fun, as it has been for all of these years." Pumpdoc, 8th Decemeber 2010.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:39 AM
BradSpeedMan, on 27 November 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:
Your questions are really irrelevant. The wunderkind has proven his worth, he has beaten an over-inflated driver who inherited 2 championships and cries mommy to the team principal when things does'nt go his way. One can but imagine how Alonso's failed championship attempt will break his spirits. Never will he reign again as champion, his time is passed and over.
But now...I leave you with good inspiring words to reflect upon.... Sebastian Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever. Heil Heil!!!
I hope you feel inspired!!!
But now...I leave you with good inspiring words to reflect upon.... Sebastian Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever. Heil Heil!!!
I hope you feel inspired!!!
You are way better than this. Please get a grip and write good things again. No wonder the excellent, objective wordsmiths only pop in on rare occasion.
In all seriousness, do not underestimate the impact of futile childish jibe on this once great forum, which was once full of juicy and inspiring thought, but now resembles a melon that's been sat in the desert for a number of weeks.
Please, continue.
Listening to MSTRKRFT - Fist of God
Music connects people through the unspoken appreciation of something that sounds right. Something that taps into the deepest corners of your soul, making you feel alive. When someone else gets it too and you know they do, it feels beautiful.
"To be brutal and honest I don't have a thin skin and others who whine over every little thing will not curry favour. I'm just going to try to keep this place fun, as it has been for all of these years." Pumpdoc, 8th Decemeber 2010.
Music connects people through the unspoken appreciation of something that sounds right. Something that taps into the deepest corners of your soul, making you feel alive. When someone else gets it too and you know they do, it feels beautiful.
"To be brutal and honest I don't have a thin skin and others who whine over every little thing will not curry favour. I'm just going to try to keep this place fun, as it has been for all of these years." Pumpdoc, 8th Decemeber 2010.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:43 AM
dribbler, on 27 November 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:
1. Vettel won the championship
2. Alonso did not win the championship
3. Both had good support from their teams
4. It is impossible to say who the better driver is because F1 is a team sport
5. Vettel did not always have the best car
6. Alonso did not always have the best car.
7. Other things that try to dilute the petty arguments and mud slinging.
2. Alonso did not win the championship
3. Both had good support from their teams
4. It is impossible to say who the better driver is because F1 is a team sport
5. Vettel did not always have the best car
6. Alonso did not always have the best car.
7. Other things that try to dilute the petty arguments and mud slinging.
Who is this who derives great pleasure in petty arguments and mud-slinging??...they should be castrated!!!
Edited by BradSpeedMan, 27 November 2012 - 09:02 AM.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:43 AM
dribbler, on 27 November 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:
You are way better than this. Please get a grip and write good things again. No wonder the excellent, objective wordsmiths only pop in on rare occasion.
In all seriousness, do not underestimate the impact of futile childish jibe on this once great forum, which was once full of juicy and inspiring thought, but now resembles a melon that's been sat in the desert for a number of weeks.
Please, continue.
In all seriousness, do not underestimate the impact of futile childish jibe on this once great forum, which was once full of juicy and inspiring thought, but now resembles a melon that's been sat in the desert for a number of weeks.
Please, continue.
I have said numerous times how impressive Alonso has driven this year, and I stand by it.
Edited by BradSpeedMan, 27 November 2012 - 08:45 AM.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
Multi21 on JA blog
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BradSpeedMan, on 27 November 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:
Your questions are really irrelevant. The wunderkind has proven his worth, he has beaten an over-inflated driver who inherited 2 championships and cries mommy to the team principal when things does'nt go his way. One can but imagine how Alonso's failed championship attempt will break his spirits. Never will he reign again as champion, his time is passed and over.
But now...I leave you with good inspiring words to reflect upon.... Sebastian Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever. Heil Heil!!!
I hope you feel inspired!!!
But now...I leave you with good inspiring words to reflect upon.... Sebastian Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever. Heil Heil!!!
I hope you feel inspired!!!
So now my questions are irrelevant? It was the whole point, to talk about racing. You are the one diverting the discussion to my spelling skills. So, I see you refuse to answer, but do not worry, we don’t need you too as the whole world knows the answers. Do I feel inspired by "Newey/Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever"? Nope.
But this does do it for me:
Yes, it is Alonso in Hungary 20006 (Before DRS and blown diffusers), and the red car being passed on the outside is Schumacher (Before DRS and blown diffusers). Show me anything even close to it from Vettel and I will have a new found respect for him, maybe even feel inspired.
And by the way, had Petrov done in Abu Dhabi what your great Schumacher did on Sunday, Newey/Vettel wouldn’t even have the three world championships that inspire you so much.
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ipaneda, on 27 November 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:
So now my questions are irrelevant? It was the whole point, to talk about racing. You are the one diverting the discussion to my spelling skills. So, I see you refuse to answer, but do not worry, we don’t need you too as the whole world knows the answers. Do I feel inspired by "Newey/Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever"? Nope.
And by the way, had Petrov done in Abu Dhabi what your great Schumacher did on Sunday, Newey/Vettel wouldn’t even have the three world championships that inspire you so much.
In any case, this debate will never really get us anywhere ipaneda, as I said I was just pushing buttons and abit of winding-up for old times sake and this is propably the only thing I meant in this thread...
BradSpeedMan, on 25 November 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:
There couldnt be more of poetic justice after they shoved Kimi aside. Luca and Stefano, I congratulate you....WELL DESERVED!
and this because I personally feel an injustice towards my favourite driver Kimi
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
Multi21 on JA blog
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:51 PM
ipaneda, on 27 November 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:
So now my questions are irrelevant? It was the whole point, to talk about racing. You are the one diverting the discussion to my spelling skills. So, I see you refuse to answer, but do not worry, we don’t need you too as the whole world knows the answers. Do I feel inspired by "Newey/Vettel, the youngest 3 times consecutive champion ever"? Nope.
But this does do it for me:
Yes, it is Alonso in Hungary 20006 (Before DRS and blown diffusers), and the red car being passed on the outside is Schumacher (Before DRS and blown diffusers). Show me anything even close to it from Vettel and I will have a new found respect for him, maybe even feel inspired.
And by the way, had Petrov done in Abu Dhabi what your great Schumacher did on Sunday, Newey/Vettel wouldn’t even have the three world championships that inspire you so much.
You could say that if Alonso had just had the balls and skill to overtake Petrov, then Newey/Vettel would not have 3 world championships. Neither statement is correct, however. If Schumi did not want to interfere with the title battle in his last race ever in F1, I think he has earnt the right to do so. If you want to call that bitterness against Alonso, then you are more than welcome to do so.
Regarding overtakes, Vettel has made plenty this year. Maybe none look as spectacular, off the top of my head, but should not diminish from the skill involved. His overtake on Button in the last race, for example, was supremly skilful from both drivers. One overtake does not make a driver, otherwise we we ould be lamenting about Webber for his overtake on Alonso through Eau Rouge, again an example of tremendous skill from both drivers.
This does not detract from the fact that Alonso has been immense this year. When there has been a great battle for the title, there is always going to be a loser. It was Alonso this time, so what? It's disappointing if you are an Alonso fan, but surely you don't have to try and detract from Vettel's achievement to justify how good Alonso has been this year?
Regarding Vettel winning it, congratulations to him. I think I might have preferred Alonso to win it this year at the end (once Schumi, Hamilton, Kimi & Button were out of the running, of course
), but I wasn't too bothered either way. Vettel has been excellent this year too. Both him and Alonso have beaten their team mates quite extensively, which should counter any failure, preferential treatment arguments, etc that can be levelled at them.
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BradSpeedMan, on 26 November 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:
There was something someone once said when Alonso won his first title while Kimi won the driver of the year award. It goes something like this. I have walked ten years from now into the future and looked back at the wall of champions! When I looked at the year 2012 I saw the name of the youngest 3 times consecutive world champion, the 1st loser all but forgotten... I hope this isn't too profound for you
I don't know if anyone else noticed that Webber actually finished ahead of Vettel, they didn't even needed to tell Webber to slow down and let Vettel by to defeat the dirty trick players.
Kimi Raikkonen: It is the same thing that I said before. I have no interest in driving for a bad team next year. If I race here, I always try to finish as high as I can. I don't need anything to motivate me. If I drive, I drive to do my best and that is it.
jemstride:
"I get the feeling that Alonso fans tend to heap over-praise on Alonso and bring down Kimi whenever they can, with mere theories and unjustified statements."
I just always end up disagreeing with you guys because of all the huge exaggerations, myths, theories & unjustified statements
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I never go with expectations, I go with a target. That is to be at the front, and the ultimate aim to win, which is the mentality I have always gone racing with.
You've got to be on the limit all the time - and I love that, because that's how I love to race.
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ipaneda, on 26 November 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:
profound? not at all; besides the point? entirely. I do not think i was disputing that fact that Vettel won; nor that nobody will care about who came second in 2012 ten years from now... however, asking you to follow a path of logical reasoning appears utterly pointless. your being unable to recognise facts staring you at the face says a lot about you. lets try again, could answer these simple questions for me?
How many drivers moved out of the way in Brazil to let Vettel through? and Alnso?
How did Vettel and Alonso compare in GPs where it reined this year?
take your time
How many drivers moved out of the way in Brazil to let Vettel through? and Alnso?
How did Vettel and Alonso compare in GPs where it reined this year?
take your time
Kimi Raikkonen: It is the same thing that I said before. I have no interest in driving for a bad team next year. If I race here, I always try to finish as high as I can. I don't need anything to motivate me. If I drive, I drive to do my best and that is it.
jemstride:
"I get the feeling that Alonso fans tend to heap over-praise on Alonso and bring down Kimi whenever they can, with mere theories and unjustified statements."
I just always end up disagreeing with you guys because of all the huge exaggerations, myths, theories & unjustified statements
Lewis Hamilton:
I never go with expectations, I go with a target. That is to be at the front, and the ultimate aim to win, which is the mentality I have always gone racing with.
You've got to be on the limit all the time - and I love that, because that's how I love to race.
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BradSpeedMan, on 27 November 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:
hehehehehehehe, ok enough now, I'm done entertaining you...
In any case, this debate will never really get us anywhere ipaneda, as I said I was just pushing buttons and abit of winding-up for old times sake and this is propably the only thing I meant in this thread...
and this because I personally feel an injustice towards my favourite driver Kimi
In any case, this debate will never really get us anywhere ipaneda, as I said I was just pushing buttons and abit of winding-up for old times sake and this is propably the only thing I meant in this thread...
and this because I personally feel an injustice towards my favourite driver Kimi
It hasn't gone unnoticed that Kimi finishing ahead of Alonso/Ferrari in Abu Dhabi has a certain irony to it.
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Rainmaster, on 27 November 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:
It hasn't gone unnoticed that Kimi finishing ahead of Alonso/Ferrari in Abu Dhabi has a certain irony to it.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:25 PM
BradSpeedMan, on 27 November 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:
Yeah but he didn't finish ahead of him in the championship standings...
Aye, but you could say that Abu Dhabi result cost Alonso/Ferrari their WDC, if you were looking at it from a "Ferrari screwed Kimi" sort of way.
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Rainmaster, on 27 November 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:
Aye, but you could say that Abu Dhabi result cost Alonso/Ferrari their WDC, if you were looking at it from a "Ferrari screwed Kimi" sort of way.
“We keep on working, we do our thing,” Vettel shouts over the team radio, “We are who we are!”
"Vettel is a champion. That’s not referring to his achievements, but rather to his approach to everything he does. He wins. All the time. His preparation is meticulous, his attention to detail reminiscent of Michael Schumacher at his peak, and his performance on the track is almost always flawless. Vettel is capable only of domination. He knows no other way... Vettel is not in Formula One to be liked. He is there to win. And in the words of Ayrton Senna, perhaps the greatest of all Formula One drivers, “Nice men don’t win.”"
Chris Cameron-Dow
"One might be tempted to say Ferrari are inconsistent this year. I think the opposite.
They are having one very good race followed by one very poor race. Consistently."
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:31 PM
Well, hopefully the Coca-Cola deal is the start of good things for Lotus and Kimi in 2013. It seems they had a genuinely good concept for their car this year, they just didn't develop it that well or got sidetracked on other issues.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:39 PM
I read on JA's website that Lotus aren't aiming higher for next year, something about "a car that consistently takes podiums". Kimi did that pretty well this year (even if some races weren't amazing). It's the last thing I would expect from them, after all they are always trying to leave an impression of a team with fresh prospects and even if it's not 100% realistic they should keep a tone of optimism and improvement.
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What a load of classless crap!Hi again, anyways, I thought Cav's little thread would be an appropiate place to re insert myself in this forum!
Spent the last 10 days in a Hospital with a serious infection so I missed the race (just watched it) and, obviously, all the little wind up merchants coming back from their graves.
Anyways: to one of the most memorable seasons I had the pleasure to witness in my life!
So many good memories! I am forever grateful for this season!
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