Jump to content



- - - - -

Best Ever Driver?


  • Please log in to reply
97 replies to this topic

#1 Jenson_Rules

Jenson_Rules

    Resident Poof!!!

  • Senior Members
  • 10,771 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK
  • Interests:Men, cars, Latin America, alcohol

Posted 02 August 2005 - 03:14 PM

Who do you feel is/was the ebst ever driver in F1 history. For me, Ayrton Senna.
IT'S BRITNEY BITCH!!!
Posted Image

#2 Sato

Sato

    Forum Idiot

  • Senior Members
  • 6,224 posts
  • Location:The Closet

Posted 02 August 2005 - 04:02 PM

Senna, no contest.
Posted Image

#3 AutoRacer5

AutoRacer5

    Making Blumpkin Pie

  • Senior Members
  • 5,210 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Louisiana, USA
  • Interests:women, racing, alcohol.

Posted 02 August 2005 - 04:43 PM

Michael Schumacher. Statistics prove it, pole positions will fall. Opinions dictate everything, however mine is more of a factual approach. besides, Could Senna have pulled off a France 2004?
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image
Nobody bitched when McLaren and Williams dominated F1...

www.f1weekly.com

AutoRacer5 vs. Ecapdeville on Fight Night Round 3:
6-1

AutoRacer5 vs. Ecapdeville on Forza Motorsport:
4-4

View PostUrKo, on Sep 10 2006, 4:06 PM, said:

....parabolica is in S2.....


My blog: http://openwheelrants.vox.com/

#4 JayStorm

JayStorm

    Alonso > F1

  • Members
  • 1,230 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Manchester, England

Posted 02 August 2005 - 04:45 PM

Shinji Nakano. j/k

Actually i'll go with Alain prost. lol

JS.
Posted Image

#5 pumpdoc

pumpdoc

    Do not pizz me off

  • Pit Crew
  • 8,586 posts
  • Location:San Marcos, California
  • Interests:racing,golf, guns and radio controled boats

Posted 03 August 2005 - 04:29 AM

B) Fangio................look at what he drove, a tank compared to modern cars and to boot you make a mistake back then and you were dead more than often than not.................................
"Moving to Montana soon, gonna be a dentill floss tycoon"
Livestrong                                        

Forza Ferrari!!!!!
Forza Italiano!!!!!!!!

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"------Adam--Mythbusters

#6 Shadow

Shadow

    INDIAN

  • Senior Members
  • 2,034 posts
  • Location:Chennai, India

Posted 03 August 2005 - 05:32 AM

a highly debatable topic. however those who are excellent i think are:

Fangio
Senna
Prost
Jim Clark
Schumacher
Moss
and possibly Gilles
Posted Image
Posted Image

In 1958 Fangio decided to retire. His explanation for that was unique:

Fangio: "I came to test my car and after a few laps struggling with my `cache` I asked to my engineer: What did you change in the car?"
The engineer: "the shock absorbers. Why? They pay us to use..."
Fangio: "..so I realize that my time was come. I was the one that were in danger at the track, how could they change anything without asking me before? That was not the sport I like...besides that I'm too old...".
He was 47 and very quick yet...

#7 pumpdoc

pumpdoc

    Do not pizz me off

  • Pit Crew
  • 8,586 posts
  • Location:San Marcos, California
  • Interests:racing,golf, guns and radio controled boats

Posted 03 August 2005 - 06:52 AM

Shadow, on Aug 2 2005, 09:32 PM, said:

a highly debatable topic. however those who are excellent i think are:

Fangio
Senna
Prost
Jim Clark
Schumacher
Moss
and possibly Gilles

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>



All excelent and to add to that list

Mario Andretti :D
"Moving to Montana soon, gonna be a dentill floss tycoon"
Livestrong                                        

Forza Ferrari!!!!!
Forza Italiano!!!!!!!!

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"------Adam--Mythbusters

#8 nojvnof1

nojvnof1

    Jacques Attack

  • Senior Members
  • 7,482 posts
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia
  • Interests:F1, MotoGP, CART, football

Posted 03 August 2005 - 08:22 AM

Jacques Villeneuve
Posted Image
Posted Image

"You just don't mess with Jacques Villeneuve" - Murray Walker, 1997 Hungarian GP.
"When Jacques was with us, he was a very aggressive driver, fiercely competitive, mentally hard as nails. Very quick with it, very gifted. A bright fellow, undoubtedly, very intelligent. He was an absolutely born racing driver - look at the way he'd bang wheels with Michael, pass people on the outside, that kind of thing" -Sir Frank Williams on Jacques Villeneuve
"This year, with BMW, JV's going very well, and I'm pleased for him. Whether or not he'll get a drive next year I don't know, but I hope he does, he's an unusual, and very strong addition to the F1 community. A character." - Sir Frank Williams again on Jacques Villeneuve
The Nojvnof1 2006 driver lineup - Jacques Villeneuve, Nico Rosberg, Christian Klein, Scott Speed.

#9 nojvnof1

nojvnof1

    Jacques Attack

  • Senior Members
  • 7,482 posts
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia
  • Interests:F1, MotoGP, CART, football

Posted 03 August 2005 - 08:24 AM

:lol: nearly had you all there. Nah, Ayrton Senna for me hands down.

"Could Senna have pulled off a France 2004?"

The question should be could Schumacher have beaten Prost in equal equipment?
Pumpdoc does put forward a strong argument for Fangio, however I've only seen limited footage and read little bit's and pieces so I can't really judge him, although if I were to put a Top 10 list or something to that effect, he'd probably be somewhere in the Top 3 or 4.
Posted Image
Posted Image

"You just don't mess with Jacques Villeneuve" - Murray Walker, 1997 Hungarian GP.
"When Jacques was with us, he was a very aggressive driver, fiercely competitive, mentally hard as nails. Very quick with it, very gifted. A bright fellow, undoubtedly, very intelligent. He was an absolutely born racing driver - look at the way he'd bang wheels with Michael, pass people on the outside, that kind of thing" -Sir Frank Williams on Jacques Villeneuve
"This year, with BMW, JV's going very well, and I'm pleased for him. Whether or not he'll get a drive next year I don't know, but I hope he does, he's an unusual, and very strong addition to the F1 community. A character." - Sir Frank Williams again on Jacques Villeneuve
The Nojvnof1 2006 driver lineup - Jacques Villeneuve, Nico Rosberg, Christian Klein, Scott Speed.

#10 kiko01

kiko01

    F1 Ace

  • Senior Members
  • 2,333 posts
  • Location:Asturias - Spain

Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:07 AM

Alex Yoong, no doubt  :P
Work is driving me crazy...
Mai inglish is jorribol, plis escuisme

#11 kiko01

kiko01

    F1 Ace

  • Senior Members
  • 2,333 posts
  • Location:Asturias - Spain

Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:10 AM

Second best and quite close to Yoong "O Rey Senna"
Mai inglish is jorribol, plis escuisme

#12 monza gorilla

monza gorilla

    Forum artefact

  • Senior Members
  • 6,649 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:52°23'52.86"N 0°43'28.92"W
  • Interests:Adnams Broadside. Fullers ESB.

Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:08 PM

Fangio
Senna
Moss
Prost
Schumacher
Andretti (Mario)
Clark
Nuvolari
Ascari

No particular order, But put Fangio and Moss at the top. These guys, and Ascari and Nuvolari really had to drive the car.
Reading: other peoples posts
Listening to: Cracker - Kerosene Hat
Posted Image

Dig that jive, Jack. Put it in your pocket, and don't look back.

#13 Shadow

Shadow

    INDIAN

  • Senior Members
  • 2,034 posts
  • Location:Chennai, India

Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:19 PM

nojvnof1, on Aug 3 2005, 01:52 PM, said:

Jacques Villeneuve

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


nojvnof1 said:

:lol:   nearly had you all there. Nah, Ayrton Senna for me hands down.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


no way you were gonna fool me  :lol:  knew you were over the top at once
Posted Image
Posted Image

In 1958 Fangio decided to retire. His explanation for that was unique:

Fangio: "I came to test my car and after a few laps struggling with my `cache` I asked to my engineer: What did you change in the car?"
The engineer: "the shock absorbers. Why? They pay us to use..."
Fangio: "..so I realize that my time was come. I was the one that were in danger at the track, how could they change anything without asking me before? That was not the sport I like...besides that I'm too old...".
He was 47 and very quick yet...

#14 ecapdeville

ecapdeville

    Tf1 pitcrew

  • Pit Crew
  • 4,784 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexico City, México
  • Interests:Computers, Racing Cars, Music, Motorcycles and Photography!

Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:27 PM

Senna...no more words.

Posted Image
Posted Image
"Alonso is my favourite driver. He is so awesome.", Cavallino
"Your commentary is much appreciated even if it is incomprehensible", Bajo39
Click Here to view my photos at Flickr!
Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net!

#15 paguas

paguas

    Test Driver

  • Junior Members
  • 7 posts

Posted 03 August 2005 - 04:19 PM

Gil was the best
And this proves it ...

#16 paguas

paguas

    Test Driver

  • Junior Members
  • 7 posts

Posted 03 August 2005 - 04:19 PM

Gil was the best
And this proves it ...

#17 paguas

paguas

    Test Driver

  • Junior Members
  • 7 posts

Posted 03 August 2005 - 04:20 PM

Gil was the best, not Jaques
And this proves it ...

#18 demonhorse

demonhorse

    Fighting anti-Ferrari BS bias

  • Junior Members
  • 1,073 posts
  • Location:Nottingham

Posted 03 August 2005 - 08:26 PM

In my book, it'd be a contest between Schumacher and Senna.

I think if Senna had lived, he wouldda been fighting Schumacher most of the way through 94 (he rest of it), 95 and probably would've beaten Hill and Villeneuve in 96 and 97.

As for who would have won the Senna-Schumacher contest though..... very difficult to call. I doubt Schumi would be a 7 time champ now if they had had the chance to race each other more though.
FIA Safety Warning: Kimi Raikkonen can seriously damage the Health of your Engine.

#19 JayStorm

JayStorm

    Alonso > F1

  • Members
  • 1,230 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Manchester, England

Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:41 PM

Good point. Although I think that Senna had probably peaked before he died anyway. It's very difficult to say really.

JS.
Posted Image

#20 nojvnof1

nojvnof1

    Jacques Attack

  • Senior Members
  • 7,482 posts
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia
  • Interests:F1, MotoGP, CART, football

Posted 05 August 2005 - 09:51 AM

"I think if Senna had lived, he wouldda been fighting Schumacher most of the way through 94 (he rest of it), 95 and probably would've beaten Hill and Villeneuve in 96 and 97.

As for who would have won the Senna-Schumacher contest though..... very difficult to call. I doubt Schumi would be a 7 time champ now if they had had the chance to race each other more though"

I'd agree with that. Had Senna not died, I don't think JV would have got in F1, well not with Williams anyways. That's not detracting anything from JV, however Bernie was keen to bring in someone with a big name, and someone fresh to challenge Michael, Jacques was that man.

I don't think Senna was past his peak when he died. He muscled that Williams into Pole twice in a car which was struggling compared to the Benetton. Williams personnel have stated that it was Senna's pure genious and skills which put that car on pole as they say it was not a Pole car.
Posted Image
Posted Image

"You just don't mess with Jacques Villeneuve" - Murray Walker, 1997 Hungarian GP.
"When Jacques was with us, he was a very aggressive driver, fiercely competitive, mentally hard as nails. Very quick with it, very gifted. A bright fellow, undoubtedly, very intelligent. He was an absolutely born racing driver - look at the way he'd bang wheels with Michael, pass people on the outside, that kind of thing" -Sir Frank Williams on Jacques Villeneuve
"This year, with BMW, JV's going very well, and I'm pleased for him. Whether or not he'll get a drive next year I don't know, but I hope he does, he's an unusual, and very strong addition to the F1 community. A character." - Sir Frank Williams again on Jacques Villeneuve
The Nojvnof1 2006 driver lineup - Jacques Villeneuve, Nico Rosberg, Christian Klein, Scott Speed.

#21 pumpdoc

pumpdoc

    Do not pizz me off

  • Pit Crew
  • 8,586 posts
  • Location:San Marcos, California
  • Interests:racing,golf, guns and radio controled boats

Posted 05 August 2005 - 11:48 AM

nojvnof1, on Aug 5 2005, 01:51 AM, said:

I don't think Senna was past his peak when he died. He muscled that Williams into Pole twice in a car which was struggling compared to the Benetton. Williams personnel have stated that it was Senna's pure genious and skills which put that car on pole as they say it was not a Pole car.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


B) Not to be anal but if I recall right Imola was either the 3rd or 4th race that year and Senna had the Williams on pole for every race...........
"Moving to Montana soon, gonna be a dentill floss tycoon"
Livestrong                                        

Forza Ferrari!!!!!
Forza Italiano!!!!!!!!

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"------Adam--Mythbusters

#22 nojvnof1

nojvnof1

    Jacques Attack

  • Senior Members
  • 7,482 posts
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia
  • Interests:F1, MotoGP, CART, football

Posted 06 August 2005 - 08:42 AM

ah, cheers for the heads up pumpdoc. Senna put the Williams on Pole in the first 3 races of 1994.
Posted Image
Posted Image

"You just don't mess with Jacques Villeneuve" - Murray Walker, 1997 Hungarian GP.
"When Jacques was with us, he was a very aggressive driver, fiercely competitive, mentally hard as nails. Very quick with it, very gifted. A bright fellow, undoubtedly, very intelligent. He was an absolutely born racing driver - look at the way he'd bang wheels with Michael, pass people on the outside, that kind of thing" -Sir Frank Williams on Jacques Villeneuve
"This year, with BMW, JV's going very well, and I'm pleased for him. Whether or not he'll get a drive next year I don't know, but I hope he does, he's an unusual, and very strong addition to the F1 community. A character." - Sir Frank Williams again on Jacques Villeneuve
The Nojvnof1 2006 driver lineup - Jacques Villeneuve, Nico Rosberg, Christian Klein, Scott Speed.

#23 AutoRacer5

AutoRacer5

    Making Blumpkin Pie

  • Senior Members
  • 5,210 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Louisiana, USA
  • Interests:women, racing, alcohol.

Posted 06 August 2005 - 12:19 PM

He was catching Schumi in Brazil...
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image
Nobody bitched when McLaren and Williams dominated F1...

www.f1weekly.com

AutoRacer5 vs. Ecapdeville on Fight Night Round 3:
6-1

AutoRacer5 vs. Ecapdeville on Forza Motorsport:
4-4

View PostUrKo, on Sep 10 2006, 4:06 PM, said:

....parabolica is in S2.....


My blog: http://openwheelrants.vox.com/

#24 Wez

Wez

    World Champion

  • Senior Members
  • 4,245 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Dark Side Of The Moon
  • Interests:Motor Sport, Football

Posted 08 August 2005 - 12:50 PM

For me, no contest Senna was the greatest!

Im not a fan of Shumacher, and im not denying he is a great driver but here are some reasons I feel Senna is better:

-Senna had competitive team-mates who were allowed to challenge him during his career(Notably Prost), Schumacher has not once had a team-mate who was allowed to do this.
-Shumacher has had a competitive car throughout his career, this was not the case for Senna who raced for Toleman(who were well off the pace) & Lotus(Similar to a BAR type pace in comparisen nowadays).
-People say Shum has the records but he has raced far more races with less compitition.
Senna raced up against Prost, Piquet, Mansell...
Shumacher against Villeneurve, Hill, Hakkinen(Who were no-where near the class of the above). Only in the past season or two have superb drivers like Alonso & Raikkenen come onto the F1 Scene. I recon the best two contenders to his crown.
Posted Image

#25 demonhorse

demonhorse

    Fighting anti-Ferrari BS bias

  • Junior Members
  • 1,073 posts
  • Location:Nottingham

Posted 08 August 2005 - 07:28 PM

Wez, on Aug 8 2005, 12:50 PM, said:

-Shumacher has had a competitive car throughout his career, this was not the case for Senna who raced for Toleman(who were well off the pace) & Lotus(Similar to a BAR type pace in comparisen nowadays).

Disagree with that, this years car is a prime example of a car that isn't all that competitive, as was 96 and 97's Ferrari's I seem to remember. Also McLaren had superior car in 98  and Schumi took that down to the last round.
FIA Safety Warning: Kimi Raikkonen can seriously damage the Health of your Engine.

#26 ecapdeville

ecapdeville

    Tf1 pitcrew

  • Pit Crew
  • 4,784 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexico City, México
  • Interests:Computers, Racing Cars, Music, Motorcycles and Photography!

Posted 08 August 2005 - 09:03 PM

demonhorse, on Aug 8 2005, 01:28 PM, said:

Disagree with that, this years car is a prime example of a car that isn't all that competitive, as was 96 and 97's Ferrari's I seem to remember.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


And where is Schumacher now?

Its the first time since his Jordan time(and maybe ferrari at the beggining), that he is struggling with the lack of potential of his team.

So this season doesnt count.
Posted Image
"Alonso is my favourite driver. He is so awesome.", Cavallino
"Your commentary is much appreciated even if it is incomprehensible", Bajo39
Click Here to view my photos at Flickr!
Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net!

#27 pumpdoc

pumpdoc

    Do not pizz me off

  • Pit Crew
  • 8,586 posts
  • Location:San Marcos, California
  • Interests:racing,golf, guns and radio controled boats

Posted 09 August 2005 - 01:31 AM

demonhorse, on Aug 8 2005, 11:28 AM, said:

Disagree with that, this years car is a prime example of a car that isn't all that competitive, as was 96 and 97's Ferrari's I seem to remember. Also McLaren had superior car in 98  and Schumi took that down to the last round.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


I agree with you of-course that Schumi won at all with the '96 pig is a downright miracle, and you could argue the the '94 and '95 Williams was the equal if not a hair better than the Bennetons of the same year.............................
"Moving to Montana soon, gonna be a dentill floss tycoon"
Livestrong                                        

Forza Ferrari!!!!!
Forza Italiano!!!!!!!!

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"------Adam--Mythbusters

#28 nojvnof1

nojvnof1

    Jacques Attack

  • Senior Members
  • 7,482 posts
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia
  • Interests:F1, MotoGP, CART, football

Posted 10 August 2005 - 08:43 AM

I agree that the '96 car was a pig, the '97 car started off as one but got better as the year went on whilst the Williams suffered from Newey's departure. Benetton had the superior car in both '94 and '95 in my opinion.
Posted Image
Posted Image

"You just don't mess with Jacques Villeneuve" - Murray Walker, 1997 Hungarian GP.
"When Jacques was with us, he was a very aggressive driver, fiercely competitive, mentally hard as nails. Very quick with it, very gifted. A bright fellow, undoubtedly, very intelligent. He was an absolutely born racing driver - look at the way he'd bang wheels with Michael, pass people on the outside, that kind of thing" -Sir Frank Williams on Jacques Villeneuve
"This year, with BMW, JV's going very well, and I'm pleased for him. Whether or not he'll get a drive next year I don't know, but I hope he does, he's an unusual, and very strong addition to the F1 community. A character." - Sir Frank Williams again on Jacques Villeneuve
The Nojvnof1 2006 driver lineup - Jacques Villeneuve, Nico Rosberg, Christian Klein, Scott Speed.

#29 watever

watever

    Test Driver

  • New Members
  • 3 posts

Posted 10 August 2005 - 10:19 AM

nojvnof1, on Aug 10 2005, 04:43 PM, said:

I agree that the '96 car was a pig, the '97 car started off as one but got better as the year went on whilst the Williams suffered from Newey's departure. Benetton had the superior car in both '94 and '95 in my opinion.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


an opinion is an opinion guys, question who is the best is depending on who do you like & favour... the answer to that is subjective & arguable & not conclusive...

senna, schumi, prost, fangio et el ... all of them are the best bcoz they've won the c'ships.. kimi / alonso? well ... lets wait & see, who knows suddenly that lady-not-so-lucky is with them for the rest of the season :rolleyes:  ... guess what? it could be schumi again .... hahahhah   :D

#30 Stub-o-matic

Stub-o-matic

    Rookie Driver

  • Members
  • 179 posts
  • Location:Milwaukee, WI

Posted 11 August 2005 - 11:54 AM

Best Driver Ever = Zolt Baumgartner  :lol:
If the world didn't suck...we would all fall off.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users


This website is unofficial and is not associated in any way with the Formula One group of companies. F1, FORMULA ONE, FORMULA 1, FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, GRAND PRIX and related marks are trade marks of Formula One Licensing B.V.