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[monza gorilla]

Am I the only one who thinks it all looks a bit messy? Of course if it goes like proverbial off a shovel then what does it matter, but I still think it's a bit of a mess.

[Senna]

Very attractive beast!  Probably, better than the BMW, in terms of livery…

[AutoRacer5]

narain fan, on Jan 27 2006, 09:24 AM, said:

WTF JR and redline
this is a thread to discuss the fw28 ,not to ridicule FW
you both edit ur posts ,or  i am reporting you....

We go off on so many tangets, jesus christ dude lighten up.

[toyfreak]

I'll rate this thread as one of the best because it isnt vearing off topic at all!

On a more serious note, what is the difference between a cambered tip rear wing and a decambered one?

I thought seemless transmissions were banned?

Asgar

Edited by toyfreak, 27 January 2006 - 08:55 PM.

[5P33D3V1L]

Blimey NF you really need to lighten up ok. JR clearly stated he did not mean to cause offensence he was just stating his opinion on the photo. He did not take the pee out of anyone in a wheelchair or whatever. Redline posted a picture for peeps that need refreshing in what Timmy looked liked. So come on man lighten up they did say " NO OFFENCE". So dont be offended !  

monza gorilla, on Jan 27 2006, 07:28 PM, said:

Am I the only one who thinks it all looks a bit messy? Of course if it goes like proverbial off a shovel then what does it matter, but I still think it's a bit of a mess.

I agree I like the shade of blue but whats this white thing half way through the car and your right it is messy there are quite a few sponsors but why is there a huge gap on the side pod where a sponsors name could fit so easily istead of shoved all over the nose etc ?     I agree Monza very messy.

[monza gorilla]

cheers mate.
The barge board type things on the sidepods are similar to the Honda, but look like an afterthought. The exhaust exit looks half finished and the engine cover/air box looks as if they ran out of money. I do like the livery though.

While I'm here I would like to express my disapproval of the childish bickering that appeared in this thread. No names no pack drill, though, to save adding fuel to the fire.

[pumpdoc]

I agree qwith Monza, it looks like they had the basic design then just threw stuff at it to see what would stick.......................

[Der Kaiser]

The williams TATA sponsorship linked with narain seems a little silly to me; they're just going to lose any revenue they will make on the sponsorship through narain's inept driving causing him to crash the cars.

[pumpdoc]

kaisersalsek, on Jan 27 2006, 04:55 PM, said:

The williams TATA sponsorship linked with narain seems a little silly to me; they're just going to lose any revenue they will make on the sponsorship through narain's inept driving causing him to crash the cars.

Good girl! that's the spirit!

[nojvnof1]

Well, this new car looks rather cool. I like the livery, even if it's pretty much a swap of the BMW one - BMW has white nose, blue side pods, Williams has the reverse in a blue nose and white sidepods - and I like that little sweep of sky blue. The livery is a winner.

The car itself looks pretty good. The front heavily resembles the MP4-20 whilst the rear of the car looks unique. I like the radical engine cover and the aero on the side of the car is quite weird. They way they have moudled the flick up on the side pod and wing looks cool, whilst the flick up is rather short compared to the other cars.

[Redline]

Launch cars aren't necessarily what you see come the racing. Wings and appendages often change as the "Top Secret Weapon" bits are brought out of hiding.

Having said that, Williams are in a mess these days, so maybe that actually is the final car.

Oh dear.   

[narain fan]

ecapdeville, on Jan 27 2006, 08:46 PM, said:

Yeah, Shure...

Tata signs IT deal with Ferrari  

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Tata Consultancy Services of India has signed a deal to provide information technology to famous Italian Formula One racing team Ferrari.
India's largest software services firm will also provide engineering services for the development of the team's racing car for the 2005 season.

Tata did not indicate financial terms of the contract.

The Formula One racing season begins on 6 March, with Fiat-owned Ferrari the current champion team.

Modified car

It expects to start the next season with an interim version of its F2004 car, which led the Italian team to its sixth successive constructor's title in 2004.

Ferrari will use the modified version of their 2004 car for as many as the first five races of next season, chief designer Rory Byrne said late last month.

"This is a significant win," said Tata executive vice-president N Chandrasekaran.

"The aspect that makes it very special is that we will be doing the core work that powers the Ferrari engine for the race car division."

In Italy, Ferrari spokesman Luca Colajanni confirmed a three-year deal was signed with Tata, but would not reveal its value.


Mr Chandrasekaran said the first group of Tata engineers has already reached Maranello, Ferrari's headquarters, to start work on the project.

"I can't share the size of the deal. All I can say it's a multi-million, multi-year contract," Mr Chandrasekaran said.

But he said the deal would help Tata raise its profile in Europe especially at a time when several orders from European companies were in the pipeline.

Tata Consultancy's clients include American Express, British Telecom, Boeing and IBM.

It is part of India's second largest industrial conglomerate Tata group.

It is made up of 80 businesses that span industries including hotels, truck-making, software, consumer products, chemicals, and communications.

http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/4071131.stm

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yeah shure

yeah sure ,indeed

Edited by narain fan, 28 January 2006 - 08:20 AM.

[cavallino]

The livery is like another one of the old williams liveries, just like the all blue one was.

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The williams TATA sponsorship linked with narain seems a little silly to me; they're just going to lose any revenue they will make on the sponsorship through narain's inept driving causing him to crash the cars.

Its a bad deal for Narain, a brilliant one for Tata, remember if Williams do as expected, Tata will get some much needed publicity.

Narain is not driving in the races anyway, who the hell watches or even gets fridy practice on TV

obviously Webber will be crashing around.

And he doesn't even bring a sponsor either

hmmmmm why is he in Williams again????

[Jenson_Rules]

red is an ugly colour, on Jan 27 2006, 04:44 PM, said:

Thanks guys for all the extremly intresting stuff you´ve writen about the FW28!!!

No problem mate, glad we can be of assistance, afterall timmy I mean Frank is an important part of williams.  

kaisersalsek, on Jan 28 2006, 12:55 AM, said:

The williams TATA sponsorship linked with narain seems a little silly to me; they're just going to lose any revenue they will make on the sponsorship through narain's inept driving causing him to crash the cars.

Indeed!

[narain fan]

why should he worry
he has got $30 million ,afterall

[Panchito]

Yeah, the car looks messy, Sam Michael is a 10 year old boy who doesnt have a clue about nothing, Frank just cant remember his name no more, Head rates at the same page as Sam and the Williams aerotunnel is made for Playmobils....

Oh and Williams engineers were recruited from dog racing

[5P33D3V1L]

Panchito, on Jan 28 2006, 03:19 PM, said:

Williams aerotunnel is made for Playmobils....

Oh and Williams engineers were recruited from dog racing

So your telling me they won championships in the 90s (could of won more with Senna) with a crap aero tunnel and engineers from dog racing. I think you just made a fool of yourself there   I agree Sam Michael may not be the best in the world but you basically slagged off and very very good group of engineers (they just dont have the budget like Ferrari and Toyota do). I mean you criticised the team but not Webber   ...

[chennaiguy]

"The williams TATA sponsorship linked with narain seems a little silly to me; they're just going to lose any revenue they will make on the sponsorship through narain's inept driving causing him to crash the cars."

Theres always a start to something-with JB being in F1 for these many years he is still to get the first podium-so he may get this year or not but same way NR is now in a good position to learn the tracks and get the grip of F1 cars-probably he will climb the ladder to prove himself later-thanks to TATA to help him out have a test seat - let the hopes not go away

[narain fan]

5P33D3V1L, on Jan 29 2006, 06:44 PM, said:

So your telling me they won championships in the 90s (could of won more with Senna) with a crap aero tunnel and engineers from dog racing. I think you just made a fool of yourself there   I agree Sam Michael may not be the best in the world but you basically slagged off and very very good group of engineers (they just dont have the budget like Ferrari and Toyota do). I mean you criticised the team but not Webber   ...

you dont get it,do you

dribbler, on Jan 29 2006, 03:53 PM, said:

Irony and sarcasm don't always travel well across the internet.....they leave casualties along the way.

[monza gorilla]

Well spotted n_f.

I thought Panchito's post was quite amusing as well.

[5P33D3V1L]

5P33D3V1L, on Jan 29 2006, 01:14 PM, said:

I think you just made a fool of yourself there  

Yep I did lmao    I get it now lmao

correction I think I just made a fool of yourself there    lmao

[narain fan]

Alex Wurz Interview

At the recent WilliamsF1 FW28 launch, team test driver Alex Wurz took time to answer a few questions...

Q: You've driven with Mercedes and Cosworth; where to you rank the two engines?

Alex Wurz: "That's a question below the belt... I have driven the Mercedes [V8] engine in a very early stage, so I'm sure it will improve from there.

"At the end of the day, I can only tell you from the Cosworth engine that never in my career have I revved an engine as I have this one. It is a pleasure, because although there is less power, the revs are there and that makes me very happy.

"To be quite honest, though, I don't want to compare the engines, simply because I don't have enough knowledge about what the Mercedes camp are doing with their engine right now."

Q: When did the opportunity with Williams first present itself?

Wurz: "It all came up in quite a short notice. I will not go into confidential details, but at the end of the day we received a phone call from Frank Williams and he said, 'Alex we here at Williams are a bit confused because we thought you had already signed up with the opposition.' And I said: 'As we speak, there is an offer but I haven't signed.'

"And so we both agreed to meet at Williams, and it happened in a very short time for Formula One. We agreed on terms and conditions and that we wanted to work together, and I can tell you honestly that halfway through the meeting with Frank Williams and Patrick Head I said to myself that I felt right in my stomach - although I didn't say anything so not to hurt my negotiation power. I think it is the right choice.

"I am a rational thinker, but for me this was very emotional. There is a rational background, because I think with Williams and all the changes they have - running a third car on the Fridays - I think I can make an impression here. So that's how it came to be."

Q: Having worked with McLaren and Williams, how do you compare the two organisations?

Wurz: "I have been with McLaren for five years, and I just want to get this off my chest and say that these were very nice and interesting five years. Sometimes hard, sometimes super-nice.

"If you compare the organisations, you can say that the starting point is the same. They are very ambitious people and their destination and their goal is the same - trying to beat the others. So that is exactly the same. In between that, you have the emotional philosophy and the personnel side, and that is completely different.

"If you talk to Frank Williams or Patrick Head or Sam Michael, or you talk to Martin Whitmarsh or Ron Dennis - they are very different in the way they speak. Not that I'm judging, you see, but it is different."

Q: Do you feel more valued at Williams?

Wurz: "It is a bit early to say. I have done five days on the track, and this is my third time. I have had quite a lot of meetings and discussions. But the value only comes with the amount of power and difference you can make. So if you do a good job, you are valued higher, you know.

"At the end of the day, it is a team effort. I am driving for a group of 500 people, so I have to adjust to their world more than they adjust to me. And so far, from the first meeting, we have had a good relationship. Very interesting, straight forward, very technical and very deep in the technical realm."

Q: How frustrating is to be a test driver again? Are you frustrated that a rookie like Nico Rosberg got the race seat, while you are the test driver?

Wurz: "I think it is very good for Nico, he came very quick into Formula One, he is 20. I was 22 when I came into Formula One, and so I know how it is from that point of view. I had my setbacks in F1, and quite frankly that makes you realise how lucky you are if you are one of the few guys who are privileged to drive these cars, who are actually wanted and employed to drive this cars.

"There are only so many seats on the grid, so the thing that is next is Friday driving and the testing role. I always want to stay in Formula One because they are the quickest car, the quickest driven technology, always trying to push the edge and that is what excites me. That's why I'm here."

Q: Do you see the Friday role as an opportunity to promote yourself?

Wurz: "I realises at McLaren that in four years I have set an enormous amount of lap records at Barcelona, Valencia and Jerez. I had long runs, which are sometimes very, very quick and sometimes the quickest ever, and it took one Friday pole and it counts more.

"So I realised that Friday is actually... because F1 is a media driven world, even if the team bosses have all the data - if you are there on the TV, and you are there on the top of the list, then it counts a little bit more.

"On top of this, a more important thing for me is that it is a very special challenge in a short period of time to make big decisions for the race time. Tyre choice, direction of set-up, and in these two Friday sessions, the circuit is changing a lot. You have to really calculate this into all your decisions, because not necessarily the quickest tyre is the quickest tyre, because it was set at maybe a later time with different track conditions, so I like that challenge.

"I enjoyed it very much with McLaren [last year] and I'm looking forward to the same here with Williams. And not to forget, I will be competitive. I think I will be the only Bridgestone Friday runner, so I realised straight away with Bridgestone the importance of this."

Q: How long is your deal with Williams?

Wurz: "I agreed with Frank not to talk about this."

Q: Would you like to be racing again next year?

Wurz: "I want to race already this year. Definitely."

Q: How important is it for you to race again?

Wurz: "If I don't race, I'm not going to slit my wrists. I'm still a happy guy, you know. But the aim is to do so."

Q: Is the primary target to race at Williams in 2007?

Wurz: "The primary target is to race for a world championship winning team as the number one driver. There is only one guy who can do that. So you just have to see how it goes."

Q: Were you surprised when BMW elected to stay with Jacques Villeneuve?

Wurz: "No."

Q: How close were you to signing for another team last year?

Wurz: "I've been ultra-close, but is has not happened, so... fate. And not only once, but a few times. This year, I am not commenting on it. Certainly [not on offers that came] before I had signed for Williams for the coming season."

Q: Alex, what are your first impressions of Nico?

Wurz: "He is very quick, there is no doubt about it. I haven't really studied his driving style, and that is very important for me, because I have to understand how they (Rosberg and Mark Webber) drive.

"It is a little bit of a giving relationship as a test driver, and I am good at this because I am a team player. I found this at McLaren as well, because at a certain point I could tell if a change was going to benefit Kimi [Raikkonen] more than Juan Pablo [Montoya] or the opposite way. I would always make sure the team are aware of it.

Alex Wurz, Mark Webber and Nico Rosberg"I hope to do 90 percent of the development work for both [drivers] in the fine-tuning areas, and therefore I want to study a bit more both drivers' styles."

Q: How much do you have to change your driving style with the V8?

Wurz: "Quite a bit, to be honest, because there is less power. And it is not only the slow speed stuff, where you are trying to keep a little bit more momentum through the corner; it is also the high speed stuff. Because if you have 930bhp and you put the gas down at the last corner at Barcelona, the whole car starts to move with the torque on the car.

"Now, I have driven the Cosworth and the Mercedes, and any V8 engine has 20 percent less power, so when you put the power down not much happens. So it influences the chassis, influences the driving style, and it has a knock-on effect. You have to look at less aero.

"The tyres have to cope with less energy, because there is less power, so we can go to different compounds, different constructions. It is a whole change. It doesn't mean it is easier to drive, just different. It is always difficult competing against the best guys, so it is always difficult to be quick."

Q: Who do you think is going to win in Bahrain and why?

Wurz: "The guy who crosses the finish line first! It is very tough to say, because it is not only about speed, but also all the rule changes about reliability. Maybe at the beginning, with the new qualifying format, some people will figure out some tricks and do a better job. Probably in the first races, where it is going to be hot, some people will be running extreme on cooling. Let's wait and see."

[nojvnof1]

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Q: Were you surprised when BMW elected to stay with Jacques Villeneuve?

Wurz: "No."

'Cos Jacques had an ironclad contract. Pollock comes through once again!

[narain fan]

nojvnof1, on Jan 30 2006, 12:42 PM, said:

'Cos Jacques had an ironclad contract. Pollock comes through once again!

      
      

[Panchito]

5P33D3V1L, on Jan 29 2006, 04:28 PM, said:

Yep I did lmao    I get it now lmao

correction I think I just made a fool of yourself there   lmao

Lol   , i´m Williams to the bone.... , it was a answer for those who were saying that the car looked unfinished for lack of money and it was looking messy... we will have to wait and see.

[F1 FANatic]

monza gorilla, on Jan 27 2006, 07:28 PM, said:

Am I the only one who thinks it all looks a bit messy? Of course if it goes like proverbial off a shovel then what does it matter, but I still think it's a bit of a mess.

no your not, i have the same feeling. it looks bulky and boxlike. more like a brick wall then a F1 caar

[Wez]

It looks alright... Nothing special. What can you expect when you have to pay for your engines though....