looks the same as always, you think if Toyota wanted to generate new interest in the team, and attract more fans and sponsors they would make some radical livery changes to turn heads.. guess not.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 02:29 AM
erichbarto, on Jan 13 2007, 04:27 PM, said:
looks the same as always, you think if Toyota wanted to generate new interest in the team, and attract more fans and sponsors they would make some radical livery changes to turn heads.. guess not.
Toyota does boring really, really well these days. The Corolla is so boring that my eyes just slide off it. I'm an artist and pride myself on my visual memory, but damned if I can remember what the Corolla looks like.....
.....it's just the same with the Toyota F1 cars. I know they look like the other F1 cars in basic shape, but there's nothing remotely exciting about that car. Hell, even the Super Aguri, using a similar colour scheme, is more exciting.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 07:50 AM
Off the top of anyone's head - Were the upper wishbones on the front of the TF106 as heavily contoured as the TF107?? I don't remember them undulating as much, but (to be entirely honest) I didn't pay much attention to the front end of their car last year.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 07:58 AM
funkejay, on Jan 13 2007, 11:50 PM, said:
Off the top of anyone's head - Were the upper wishbones on the front of the TF106 as heavily contoured as the TF107?? I don't remember them undulating as much, but (to be entirely honest) I didn't pay much attention to the front end of their car last year.
Hey Jay! I noticed that too and I think it's new.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 12:57 PM
funkejay, on Jan 14 2007, 08:50 AM, said:
Off the top of anyone's head - Were the upper wishbones on the front of the TF106 as heavily contoured as the TF107?? I don't remember them undulating as much, but (to be entirely honest) I didn't pay much attention to the front end of their car last year.
Its just a different shape fairing over the wishbone. the actual strut runs strait through it.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:32 PM
c21, on Jan 14 2007, 04:57 AM, said:
Its just a different shape fairing over the wishbone. the actual strut runs strait through it.
Are they shaping that faring for aerodynamic reasons? Thought that was illegal......(I'm thinking of Tyrrell)
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:39 PM
Autumnpuma, on Jan 14 2007, 07:32 PM, said:
Are they shaping that faring for aerodynamic reasons? Thought that was illegal......(I'm thinking of Tyrrell)
Its certainly for aero reasons. I know what you mean with the rules about that, but to be honest I'm not 100% sure of the wording.
But in the end all wishbones are shaped aerodynamically.
If the FIA were too p**sed about it they could insist that the wishbones be made cylindrical like the old days.
Now I come to think about it, I think that the wishbone shape must by symmetrical IE not in a wing profile and such.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:43 PM
Autumnpuma, on Jan 14 2007, 06:32 PM, said:
Are they shaping that faring for aerodynamic reasons? Thought that was illegal......(I'm thinking of Tyrrell)
Sorry, just thinking out loud with a keyboard.
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Yeah Kimi should be winning this one,
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:46 PM
Player(1), on Jan 14 2007, 07:43 PM, said:
my knowledge on this part is very spotty, rings a bell what your saying. However is there a possible definition saying it can be aerodynamic but not a source of downforce? Possible they are shaping both sides the same making the air accelerate around at the same speed to prevent either side generating a lower pressure then the other and therefore no downforce?
Sorry, just thinking out loud with a keyboard.
Sorry, just thinking out loud with a keyboard.
All the wishbones shoul be a neutral aerofoil, but I see no reason why this neutral shape cannot be used to steer the airflow.
Maybe thats the ruling, im not sure.
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c21, on Jan 14 2007, 10:46 AM, said:
All the wishbones shoul be a neutral aerofoil, but I see no reason why this neutral shape cannot be used to steer the airflow.
Maybe thats the ruling, im not sure.
Maybe thats the ruling, im not sure.
Yeah, that sounds accurate. I think the shape needs to be a neutral airfoil. Any degree of tilt on the back end would cause downforce and that would be illegal. Steering the air is another matter......hmmm......splitting hairs a bit. If the TMD can be ruled illegal because they 'affect' the aerodynamics of the car, can't these new wishbone shapes also be 'affecting' the aero? Certainly the TMD eliminated the tyre vibrations and that, in turn, kept the front wing from bouncing, so couldn't we say the new wishbone shape makes an aerodynamic winglet create downforce better? Where exactly is the difference? They are both elements that affect the downforce. Why is one legal and the other not? I'm p!ssing against the wind here, so don't bother to answer that last!!
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c21, on Jan 15 2007, 04:46 AM, said:
All the wishbones shoul be a neutral aerofoil, but I see no reason why this neutral shape cannot be used to steer the airflow.
Maybe thats the ruling, im not sure.
Maybe thats the ruling, im not sure.
Suspension wishbones must have a symmetrical profile for majority of their length.
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The Toyota haven't change at alll , some tweaks for the body work and the upgrades FIA does ... its still the same since they came into F1 world ! and they're still failing to achieve what they aim for !
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:06 PM
Well i'm happy with them being rubbish, so long as they don't pull out of the sport.
Hmm, I think a new and young driver line-up next year would really help.
Hmm, I think a new and young driver line-up next year would really help.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:41 PM
the car may look 'boring' but that doesnt mean its slow - toyota could've produced the quickest car for all we know! thats what i love about the start of the new season, everyones predictions are wrong!
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Even yours Jem'?
But I suppose you are right, it just doesn't see like they have advanced all that much judging on it's appearance.
But I suppose you are right, it just doesn't see like they have advanced all that much judging on it's appearance.
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Posted 01 February 2007 - 04:10 AM
But come on when was the last time the runt of the field was the fastest?
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