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[c21]

ykickamoocow, on Jan 15 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

First laps in the F2007

At foggy Fiorano this morning, Felipe Massa turned his first laps in Ferrari�s 2007 challenger, the F2007.

The car, which currently features 2006 front and rear wings, is to undergo extensive testing over the next two months and according to Aldo Costa, Head of Chassis design, the car arriving in Melbourne in March will feature an all-new aero package.

The current F2007 does however feature all new suspension to get the best out of the new control Bridgestone rubber, as well as a new quick shift seven-speed gearbox.  

On the engine side, the F2007 features the same 056 powerplant as last year as per the rules package but has been modified to allow for the reduction to 19,000 rpm demanded in 2007.

Kimi Raikkonen, Michael Schumacher and Luca Montezemolo were all on hand for the first laps in the F2007.

http://www.f1-live.c...115131016.shtml

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Here is another photo with less fog

I was expecting a little more from Ferrari

[ykickamoocow]

c21, on Jan 15 2007, 11:41 PM, said:

I was expecting a little more from Ferrari

What do you mean?

[c21]

ykickamoocow, on Jan 15 2007, 01:41 PM, said:

What do you mean?

Im not sure, maybe something a little "ooh, thats not very Ferrari".

I guess I just long for the day when teams used to spring surprises.

Remember the Williams nose?

[Loser Boy]

Kimi's right when he says the F2007 is beautiful.

[Player(1)]

Nah Ferrari's are one of the ugliest car's in F1, especially in real life. Saying that though the plan view of the F2007 is the first time ive seen an F1 car from that angle and thought it was nice, wonder if the new crash test requirements have given all the teams fuller looking car's.

[c21]

Player(1), on Jan 15 2007, 04:11 PM, said:

Nah Ferrari's are one of the ugliest car's in F1, especially in real life. Saying that though the plan view of the F2007 is the first time ive seen an F1 car from that angle and thought it was nice, wonder if the new crash test requirements have given all the teams fuller looking car's.

This years crash requirements shouldnt change the shape dramatically at all/

[Wez]

c21, on Jan 15 2007, 05:44 PM, said:

This years crash requirements shouldnt change the shape dramatically at all/

Yes, I wouldnt have thought so... The New Ferrari has just had a few pies more than its predecessor in the off season.

[F1 FANatic]

c21, on Jan 15 2007, 04:49 AM, said:

Im not sure, maybe something a little "ooh, thats not very Ferrari".

I guess I just long for the day when teams used to spring surprises.

Remember the Williams nose?

but Ferrari always gives us classic Ferrari

the car is actually 10 kilo heavier which also adds to the safety because they need to add less dead weight to make it to 600kg

and finally we have some pictures of these cars where they belong, on the track and no on some podium in a big room.

[c21]

F1 FANatic, on Jan 15 2007, 04:55 PM, said:

but Ferrari always gives us classic Ferrari

the car is actually 10 kilo heavier which also adds to the safety because they need to add less dead weight to make it to 600kg

and finally we have some pictures of these cars where they belong, on the track and no on some podium in a big room.

Most of the cars will be a few kilos heavier because of the new side intrusion panels.

But anyway, its normal for the weights of the cars to fluctuate over the winter.

[whiskee]

That's beautiful bullet...   I'm getting a strong feeling nobody's going to get within one second of Ferrari at Australian qualifying.

As a Finn, it's really the best thing in the world not having to suffer from McLaren's constant technical mistakes anymore. You won't see Ferrari blowing up twenty engines in practice and qualifying.

Edited by whiskee, 15 January 2007 - 08:48 PM.

[suomenpankki]

whiskee, on Jan 15 2007, 08:47 PM, said:

That's beautiful bullet...   I'm getting a strong feeling nobody's going to get within one second of Ferrari at Australian qualifying.

As a Finn, it's really the best thing in the world not having to suffer from McLaren's constant technical mistakes anymore. You won't see Ferrari blowing up twenty engines in practice and qualifying.

Yeei... :clap3:i totally agree!

wonder how many Fintosis will come to hungaroring this year...i�m there

[Autumnpuma]

whiskee, on Jan 15 2007, 12:47 PM, said:

As a Finn, it's really the best thing in the world not having to suffer from McLaren's constant technical mistakes anymore. You won't see Ferrari blowing up twenty engines in practice and qualifying.

If they do, be sure to check back here for my gloating....

[BradSpeedMan]

Autumnpuma, on Jan 16 2007, 04:58 AM, said:

If they do, be sure to check back here for my gloating....

note.


One thing for sure Mike, I won't accept any compliments or acknowledgments from you from Kimi's perspective. You've been drilling in this car-breaking theory bulls##t others such as Cav is playing lackey and the Alonso fans has pounced on this as their only defence. And don't say when the car last that he has improved his driving style. He admitted at the first press conference he is'nt changing any. Will check back here too....

[ykickamoocow]

Ive got some nice photo's of the new Ferrari and may i say it is a very bright shade of red.

[BradSpeedMan]

ykickamoocow, on Jan 16 2007, 02:00 PM, said:

Ive got some nice photo's of the new Ferrari and may i say it is a very bright shade of red.

Were these pics from yesterday's shakedown....????

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 16 January 2007 - 12:18 PM.

[ykickamoocow]

BradSpeedMan, on Jan 16 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

Was these pics from yesterday's shakedown....????

I think it was.

[cavallino]

THat red is positively sacrilegous. And I love it

[Autumnpuma]

BradSpeedMan, on Jan 16 2007, 12:06 AM, said:

note.
One thing for sure Mike, I won't accept any compliments or acknowledgments from you from Kimi's perspective. You've been drilling in this car-breaking theory bulls##t others such as Cav is playing lackey and the Alonso fans has pounced on this as their only defence. And don't say when the car last that he has improved his driving style. He admitted at the first press conference he is'nt changing any. Will check back here too....

That is pure crappola, my friend. I'll give Kimi due credit when I see something worth the giving that credit to. Cav especially has stood against my views on Kimi, so his reasons for now leaning more my directions are his own...I would ask him were I you. That guy is brilliant and doesn't 'jump' onto any bandwagon. You need to broaden your horizons if you think I'm the only person who hold a negative opinion about Kimi. I'm one of many. The boy has been in F1 long enough to have gotten a championship and if he can't get it in a Ferrari, then it's time for him to hang up his boots. He is the title favorite and I agree with that assessment.

[Buckheadschleife]

The diagonal barcode strip looks hideous.  At least in the past the barcodes were integrated in the livery - this just looks like an afterthought, nicotine patches.  They also need to stop overlooking the section in the "What makes a Ferrari a Ferrari" handbook that clearly states that wheels MUST be gold.  I got excited when their jackets in that ski meeting actually included a green stripe!

[Autumnpuma]

Ok, this is all pulled out of my arse, and probably equally useful as what normally comes out of there, but here goes:

There's been some discussion about whether or not the new Ferrari is zero-keel. It is. A keel would dip down and disrupt the airflow under the nose and clearly this image shows that while the chassis dips down for the lower wishbone to connect to it, it doesn't dip down enough to be called a 'keel'. Hence it is definitely zero keel (see image below):



The next thing I noticed is the absence of the winglets right above the upper wishbone. I believe they are still there, but cleverly disguised as the thick part of the upper-wishbone. In the pic below, note the area circled. The green arrows denote airflow from the newly-angled back edge of the front wing. The air will be directed up into the suspension/winglet:



I have a theory that one of the winglet's uses is to increase straight-line speed by inducing lift onto the nose at high speeds (such as on straights) to counter-act the downforce created by the front wing (to some degree). Because of the small size of the winglets, the aerodynamic effect on them (lift) would diminish faster than the downforce of the larger front wing would diminish at lower speeds, thereby preserving the downforce for cornering. This next image goes a little way towards that thought:



In the image you can see that the upper-wishbone area is not symmetrical; the top is more rounded than the bottom (this airfoil configuration would generate lift). At the very least, Ferrari are using their suspension as aerodynamic parts. Also note the little winglet on the connecting end of the pushrod.

(all images were lightened up in Photoshop for clarity)

EDIT: In case anyone thinks I'm actually serious, I'm not really. About 20% serious because I can't figure out any reason why those winglets should generate lift, as they obviously do, but the rest of the theory is just wacky. I sometimes need a wacky theory or two to shake up the 'ole braincells. Most likely they are for cleaning up the air close to the c#ckpit, as both the c#ckpit-end wishbone and push-rod are wings.

Edited by Autumnpuma, 17 January 2007 - 04:46 AM.

[Autumnpuma]

Buckheadschleife, on Jan 16 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

The diagonal barcode strip looks hideous.  At least in the past the barcodes were integrated in the livery - this just looks like an afterthought, nicotine patches.  They also need to stop overlooking the section in the "What makes a Ferrari a Ferrari" handbook that clearly states that wheels MUST be gold.  I got excited when their jackets in that ski meeting actually included a green stripe!

Alright, new person, you get my wholehearted approval for that fine avatar!!! Bellof was a fantastic driver and worthy of more note than he generally gets. Also, I 100% agree with you about the gold rims on a Ferrari.

[aussief1]

aussief1, on Jan 15 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

Do any of you guys think that red is more of the old scarlet Ferrari red and not the Marlboro red as in recent years?? It might be the lighting, not sure.

ykickamoocow, on Jan 16 2007, 10:00 PM, said:

Ive got some nice photo's of the new Ferrari and may i say it is a very bright shade of red.

I agree Ykick, I mentioned it when the first shots came out of the F2007 that I thought it was more of the old Ferrari scarlet red, rather than the Marlboro inspired red (read my above post), but no one has really noticed it.

cavallino, on Jan 17 2007, 03:38 AM, said:

THat red is positively sacrilegous. And I love it

[BradSpeedMan]

Autumnpuma, on Jan 16 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

That is pure crappola, my friend. I'll give Kimi due credit when I see something worth the giving that credit to. Cav especially has stood against my views on Kimi, so his reasons for now leaning more my directions are his own...I would ask him were I you. That guy is brilliant and doesn't 'jump' onto any bandwagon. You need to broaden your horizons if you think I'm the only person who hold a negative opinion about Kimi. I'm one of many. The boy has been in F1 long enough to have gotten a championship and if he can't get it in a Ferrari, then it's time for him to hang up his boots. He is the title favorite and I agree with that assessment.

You are wrong again. Cav has been influenced by your theory, as has many others. He first blames Merc for engine blowups (check Merc Commemoration thread), then then sheepishly open another thread called Kimi the engine breaker cont. named after your thread. He even starts the thread, "You are right Mike..." It's a change of mindset that has happened, from blaming the car to the driver. It proves he jumps on bandwagons. I will not bother to ask him... I am right again.

" The boy has been in F1 long enough to have gotten a championship and if he can't get it in a Ferrari, then it's time for him to hang up his boots" I totally agree with this Mike    

[F1 FANatic]

i was surfing the internets today and i found this.

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In initially foggy conditions, Brazilian Massa did 39 laps with a best time of 58.360. Almost a year ago to the day, Schumacher - now 38 - recorded a 59.569 as the 248 F1 made its debut at the circuit.

http://www.f1-live.c...116090558.shtml

this is good news i think, the record is still 55 secs and some change set in 04 but the F2004 is still the fastest F1 car ever built. But this shows that the 07 ferrari is already very good from the outset, and over the season can only improve

[c21]

Autumnpuma, on Jan 17 2007, 02:03 AM, said:

Ok, this is all pulled out of my arse, and probably equally useful as what normally comes out of there, but here goes:

There's been some discussion about whether or not the new Ferrari is zero-keel. It is. A keel would dip down and disrupt the airflow under the nose and clearly this image shows that while the chassis dips down for the lower wishbone to connect to it, it doesn't dip down enough to be called a 'keel'. Hence it is definitely zero keel (see image below):



The next thing I noticed is the absence of the winglets right above the upper wishbone. I believe they are still there, but cleverly disguised as the thick part of the upper-wishbone. In the pic below, note the area circled. The green arrows denote airflow from the newly-angled back edge of the front wing. The air will be directed up into the suspension/winglet:



I have a theory that one of the winglet's uses is to increase straight-line speed by inducing lift onto the nose at high speeds (such as on straights) to counter-act the downforce created by the front wing (to some degree). Because of the small size of the winglets, the aerodynamic effect on them (lift) would diminish faster than the downforce of the larger front wing would diminish at lower speeds, thereby preserving the downforce for cornering. This next image goes a little way towards that thought:



In the image you can see that the upper-wishbone area is not symmetrical; the top is more rounded than the bottom (this airfoil configuration would generate lift). At the very least, Ferrari are using their suspension as aerodynamic parts. Also note the little winglet on the connecting end of the pushrod.

(all images were lightened up in Photoshop for clarity)

EDIT: In case anyone thinks I'm actually serious, I'm not really. About 20% serious because I can't figure out any reason why those winglets should generate lift, as they obviously do, but the rest of the theory is just wacky. I sometimes need a wacky theory or two to shake up the 'ole braincells. Most likely they are for cleaning up the air close to the c#ckpit, as both the c#ckpit-end wishbone and push-rod are wings.

Sorry it took me a while to look at this.

As to the "Keel" question its close.

I maybe even tempted to say it could be a twin keel. (only just)

With the airflow thing im not sure, I need more time to have a look.

[ykickamoocow]

Ferrari rival pans "high risk" 2007 car

An unnamed 'senior technical analyst' at a rival team has questioned the design of Ferrari's new car.

It was reported this week that while most outfits have unveiled short-wheelbase cars to cope with the characteristics of Bridgestone's control tyre, the Maranello based squad uniquely has a longer car than in 2006.

The London based 'Times' newspaper suggested that winter testing has shown that shortening the wheelbase is the best way to minimise the degradation of the rear tyres.

The newspaper also said rival teams have been "amazed" by the Ferrari design.

The analyst said: "It's a high risk strategy and with all the changes they've had with staff, if it goes wrong they'll struggle."

http://www.homeofspo...m.aspx?id=18111

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It will be interesting to see how fast the Ferrari will be in race conditions.

[Phoenix07]

Ferrari must be careful this year, what with a new driver and the recent restructuring. They have an onus on them to perform; I'm sure they will do, but they must work hard in order to keep progressing at a state required as to avoid the early season lack of pace that the 248F1 struggled with.

I'll say it once and you can quote me on this "Do not read into pre-season testing times. Simply do not. It is foolish. Honda looked supremely fast in testing yet last year they did not have the car they thought they did. Again, please do not read into pre-season times"

The new red is a refreshing change, Im more concerned with the possible void of leadership caused by Brown/Schumi's depature. Someone must assume a throne of responsibility at Ferrari. Whether it be behind the scenes or in the spotlight. The McLaren's and Renault's will not be beaten otherwise

[morris]

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I think the car looks plane now the vodafone sign has been taken of but it is still going to be fast and realy think they will do well this year.

[Ferrariphile]

Thanks to James for the High-res pics, they actually have some big enough to fill my monitor without getting the picture all grainy (I have a 20" widescreen flatpanel LCD).

[F1 FANatic]

very true, its hard to find pictures of any of the other cars at 1650x1080 or higher resolutions