Argento, on Sep 5 2007, 12:19 AM, said:
I,ve already posted on a topic called Senna vs. Prost with great material and great opinions of almost any members -past and present-. we can argue all life and we can agree -mostly because Senna fans are similar to him pure instinct. Senna, Gilles, Jochen Rindt, Stefan Bellof and Jim Clark were the most talented drivers of the F1 history but they are all dead. Why because they never show respect for the old Fangioīs tale: "you must win driving as slow as posible" They thought more with they right foot than with they brain. on the other side Fangio, prost, Stewart, Michael Schumacher were less spectaculars but certainly most effective because they used to relay less on their instinct. Iīm a little bored of "...everyday senna drives better..." syndrome. For me he is behind MSC, Alain Prost and Fangio on 4th place of my all time list. (On the 5th place comes Jim Clark).
On Sennaīs and Prost side I can say they drove on the most competitive F1 of all time (Iīm talking about drivers not cars) because 3 of the 4 most winners of all time (Senna, Prost and Mansell) and many other great drivers like Piquet, etc raced against each other.
As I said we can argue all life without an agreement. For you Senna, for me Prost and thatīs the salt and pepper of our forums!!!
Enjoyable posts from you both Argento and F1Reviews, but as my childhood heroes, I have to defend the bit in bold (above). They didn't all die as a result of their ability - or right foot - the cause of Jim Clark's death (went off on the straight) was later put down to a puncture or suspension failure, Jochen Rindt through a front brake shaft failure - turning him sharply off the track. The loss of Ayrton Senna is 99% certain to be car failure too.
Jack Brabham said something similar to Fangio too, "Always win by the smallest possible marging - it makes your opponent feel good!"
Discussions on who is best will always be subjective - my list of 'The Greatest' include the above and others too, but honestly, if F1 had claimed the lives of Prost, Mansell, Schumacher I think discussions here and elsewhere would be different - I hate to say this, but once a driver is gone it's easy (and understandable) to put them on the 'icon' pedestal.
As you rightly say Argento, the Salt and Pepper of our forums
But really, for me they're all
great (all of those mentioned so far) - my personal definition is more to do with how
they went to the top of their sport in their time.
Y'know it's strange really, there are many, many examples of great drives
drivers - David Purley, Peter Gethin, Elio De Angelis, Ronnie Peterson, Pironi and more. So is the true 'Great' one that strung great drives together for long enough? Who knows.........
*Edited after a couple of Sam Miguel: Rainmaster
, I'd go with that.............
"the most on track entertaiment (from a fan viewpoint this is what f1 is about) whilst being successful. That's why for me Senna is undoubtably the greatest ever, whether he is the best ever is a different matter entirely in my opinion. Drivers like Gilles, Rindt, Senna I think will be remembered better than drivers like Lauda, Prost and Stewart because their attitude to racing and the way they drove
Senna is one of the most disputed 'Greats', perhaps due to some of his naughtier moments, but thte guy wore his heart on his sleeve - maybe his biggest downfall, and yes he was coniving too. But surely drivers with this spirit
are missed by some of us?
And I don't mean those that use the press to drive this home
Edited by medilloni, 23 September 2007 - 10:42 PM.