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[mikathegreat2]

Looks a bit the same as the MP4-23 it's just the Vodafone sponsors are a little bit bigger.

[Rainmaster]

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Not too bad, I must admit I prefer the Ferrari by some way though. Still can't find a decent overhead shot...

[B.P.]

Thanks George again, BUT CAN SOMEONE TURN ON THE LIGHTS !!! can't see a damn thing.

[Jez]

I like it. I hope its dangerous as It looks

[Sato]

Two dull cars so far IMO (Mainy because they don't really look that different from their last versions).

[Kerry]

yeah it looks like last Year car.

[maure]

bathurst1000, on Jan 7 2008, 06:59 AM, said:

Mclaren should paint there car red at the launch as a joke, i know i would laugh  

Well, the question is for sure on the table.

Just a few weeks back, McLaren admitted that they were building _this_very_car using stolen data from Ferrari. So either McLaren has developed a car from scratch in weeks or the car is red from screw one.

By good fortune, I have been told that, at the presentation, RD took opportunity to deny as much as he could, promising a continuation of his version of equality among drivers.

[Kerry]

I did not know that.

[Sato]

maure, on Jan 8 2008, 05:12 PM, said:

Well, the question is for sure on the table.

Just a few weeks back, McLaren admitted that they were building _this_very_car using stolen data from Ferrari. So either McLaren has developed a car from scratch in weeks or the car is red from screw one.

By good fortune, I have been told that, at the presentation, RD took opportunity to deny as much as he could, promising a continuation of his version of equality among drivers.

Yeah I thought it was stupid to launch a car not long after admitting that as well.

[Kerry]

I agree too.

[Boudica]

A quick summery of the car:

The first design meeting for the MP4-23 took place back in November 2006 with early layout work starting in March 2007.

Wind tunnel work commenced in late May 2007.

Since then the MP4-23 has spent over 3000 hours being developed in the wind tunnel.

The first MP4-23 chassis was ready for bonding in mid November 2007.

Lewis Hamilton, Pedro de la Rosa and Gary Paffett had their provisional seat fittings for the MP4-23 back in September 2007. Heikki Kovalainen was fitted for his seat shortly after being announced as a Vodafone McLaren Mercedes driver.

The car build process for chassis 1 began in early December 2007 and was finished in early January 2008.

Throughout the development process 150 different engineers have been involved in the whole project in all disciplines.

14000 engineering man hours have so far been put into the MP4-23 development project.

A similar number applies to the manufacturing man hours involved to produce the MP4-23 in time for its track debut on the 9th January 2008.

The MP4-23 is an evolution of the MP4-22 and as such there is no significant visual difference currently, however between now and the first race in Australia there are planned upgrades on most of the aerodynamic surfaces, wings, bodywork, bargeboards and additional bodywork components.

Alongside the development of the 2008 challenger, concept work has been started for the 2009 car since November 2007, with the KERS project (energy storage) beginning a year ago.

MP4-23 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION
ENGINE
Type Mercedes-Benz FO 108V
Capacity 2.4 litre
No. of cylinders 8
Max. rpm 19,000 (FIA regulatory limit since 2007)
Bank angle 90O
Piston bore maximum 98 mm (FIA regulation)
Bore spacing 106.5 mm
Number of valves 32
Fuel Mobil 1 Unleaded (5.75% bio fuel)
Lubricants Mobil 1, newly developed 2008 formula for lower friction and better wear resistance
Engine 95kg (minimum FIA regulation weight)


TRANSMISSION
Gearbox Speeds Seven forward and one reverse
Semi-auto Yes
Driveshafts McLaren
Clutch Hand-operated


Chassis McLaren moulded carbon fibre/aluminium honeycomb composite incorporating front and side impact structures. Contains integral safety fuel cell
Front Suspension Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Rear Suspension Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Suspension Dampers Koni
Electronics McLaren Electronic Systems control units incorporating electronics for chassis, engine and data acquisition. McLaren Electronic Systems also supplies the electronic dash board, alternator voltage control, sensors, data analysis and telemetry systems
Bodywork Construction One-piece engine cover; separate sidepod covers; separate floor section, structural nose with integral front wing.
Tyres Bridgestone Potenza
Radios Kenwood
Race Wheels Enkei
Batteries GS Yuasa Corporation
Steering McLaren power-assisted
Instruments McLaren Electronic Systems

[5P33D3V1L]

I must say it is very strange seeing number 23 on a Mclaren.

And Is Lewis the number one driver for the team then?


Haha -15 wins for Alonso. Thats quite funny.

[Rainmaster]

B.P., on Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

Thanks George again, BUT CAN SOMEONE TURN ON THE LIGHTS !!! can't see a damn thing.

Thanks for the thanks!

...and yeah I know what you mean about the darkness, perhaps Mclaren are trying to save money?

[Kerry]

thanks for that.

[Silver_Arrows]

Quote

Well, the question is for sure on the table.

Just a few weeks back, McLaren admitted that they were building _this_very_car using stolen data from Ferrari. So either McLaren has developed a car from scratch in weeks or the car is red from screw one.

By good fortune, I have been told that, at the presentation, RD took opportunity to deny as much as he could, promising a continuation of his version of equality among drivers.

For god sake, please stop posting this crap. From the FIA inspection of their factory, 3 systems where identified that could have been aided by information from Ferrari, and McLaren offered to self-impose a development cessation on these items so that they could ratify their car as being 100% legal. It has been cleared by the FIA to race, and the scandal is now finished, so people need to stop dragging this crap up. Also you clearly need to learn to read, McLaren admitted more team personnel had access to the information than they first realised, not that they had intended to use it to make their car go faster. Everything on the MP4-23 is 100% McLaren, otherwise it would not have been cleared to race.

Oh and Kerry, just a recommendation Maure is a flamer I wouldn\'t accept anything he says as being factually correct because it isn\'t

[elgo]

Uugggh I don't like it.It looks even uglier after seeing the beautiful Ferrari.And number 23 makes it even more strange.

Rainmaster, on Jan 8 2008, 06:25 PM, said:

...and yeah I know what you mean about the darkness, perhaps Mclaren are trying to save money?

[Nevers]

Wow. They just get uglier don't they. I mean after mp4-21, i was sure it couldn't be worse. Then along came mp4-22 with that 'ant-eater' snout and 'bridge' wing. Lets not even mention the kindergarten livery. Sure glad Kimi left when he did. And style was 1 of the reasons i loved this team. From 2005, all-round beautiful, to this. Sad

[aussief1]

aussief1, on Jan 7 2008, 11:44 PM, said:

The front bridge wing is gone  

Not for long.

The bridge wing was back on when Pedro tested the MP4-23 for the first time in Jerez yesterday.

[Kerry]

ok I won't.

[aussief1]

Here is a link if you want to see some pictures of the MP4-23 in action at Jerez.

MP4-23 Track Debut - Jerez

[Kerry]

thanks.

[maure]

Silver_Arrows, on Jan 9 2008, 02:00 PM, said:

For god sake, please stop posting this crap. From the FIA inspection of their factory, 3 systems where identified that could have been aided by information from Ferrari, and McLaren offered to self-impose a development cessation on these items so that they could ratify their car as being 100% legal. It has been cleared by the FIA to race, and the scandal is now finished, so people need to stop dragging this crap up. Also you clearly need to learn to read, McLaren admitted more team personnel had access to the information than they first realised, not that they had intended to use it to make their car go faster. Everything on the MP4-23 is 100% McLaren, otherwise it would not have been cleared to race.

Oh and Kerry, just a recommendation Maure is a flamer I wouldn\'t accept anything he says as being factually correct because it isn\'t

After all the lying from McLaren (has it ended yet?), your faith is charming in a child-like way.

Regarding the "flaming", have a talk with the other fellow, you know, the one that goes on about the right we all have to our opinion.

Regarding the "factual", thank you for the laughs.

[Kerry]

fair enough.

[maure]

Kerry, on Jan 10 2008, 12:43 AM, said:

fair enough.

Is it fair enough? Let's consider the "facts".

First, McLaren admits to have been lying again. It is their latest lie, but is it their last? For the likes of the hysterics, it always is... e-v-e-r-y s-i-n-g-l-e t-i-m-e.

Second, (and here comes the laughter) Silver_Arrows wants us to believe that McLaren risked using stolen data on 3 systems that had nothing to do with the performance of the car.

Let me venture that, presumably, McLaren wanted to replicate Ferrari's secret coffee recipe as well as Montezolo's out-of-this-world panache. Thank heavens, McLaren has "offered to self-impose a development cessation on these items".

[Oli]

maure, on Jan 10 2008, 12:36 AM, said:

After all the lying from McLaren (has it ended yet?), your faith is charming in a child-like way.

Regarding the "flaming", have a talk with the other fellow, you know, the one that goes on about the right we all have to our opinion.

Regarding the "factual", thank you for the laughs.

Are you Corsican by any chance?

[Oli]

maure, on Jan 8 2008, 06:12 AM, said:

Well, the question is for sure on the table.

Just a few weeks back, McLaren admitted that they were building _this_very_car using stolen data from Ferrari.

No they didn't. That is a flat out LIE on your part. It might be the case that this car is a total clone of a Ferrari, but McLaren have never admitted as much, as you well know.

You are no better than Ron Dennis!

[Kerry]

no

[Quiet One]

Am I the only one to find Kerry's posts amazingly funny?

[maure]

Quiet One, on Jan 10 2008, 10:16 AM, said:

Am I the only one to find Kerry's posts amazingly funny?

No.

[Kerry]

want Me to shut up?