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[mikathegreat2]

Thought I'd get it up & running. I ownder if any ALMS cars will be featured in the race as I've watched a few races of it & what a fantastic motorsport season. An Audi R10 TDI P1 car from Audi Sport North America were the overall victors but were put under pressure by the Penske Porsche RS Spyder from the P2, or LMP2 class which is increadible seeing as it as a 3.4l V8 like the other class cars & like the others revs up to 10,000rpm battling it out with a bi-turbo 5.5l V12 TDI with 650bhp & 881lb-ft (1100Nm) of torque. Anywhay here's the list of automatic entries:

LMP1:
Audi Sport North America (R10 TDI): 1st in 24hr of Le Mans 2007 & 1st in Petit Le Mans 2007
Team Peugeot Total (908): 2nd in 24hr of Le Mans & 1st in LMS
Pescarolo Sport (Courage C60): 2nd in LMS
Autocon Motorsports (MG-Lola EX257/Creation CAO6/H): 2nd in ALMS

LMP2:
Binnie Motorsports (Lola B05/42): 1st in 24hr Le Mans 2007
Barazi-Epsilon (Zytek 07S/2): 2nd in 24hr of Le Mans 2007
Ray Mallock Ltd. (MG-Lola EX264): 1st in LMS
Quifel ASM Team (Lola B05/40): 2nd in LMS
Penske Racing (Porsche RS Spyder): 1st in Petit Le Mans & 1st in ALMS

GT1:
Aston Martin Racing (DBR9): 1st in 24hr of Le Mans 2007
Corvette Racing (C6.R): 2nd in 24hr of Le Mans 2007 & 1st in Petit Le Mans
Team Oreca Racing (Saleen S7-R): 1st in LMS
Doran Racing (Maserati MC12 GT1): 2nd in ALMS
Vitaphone Racing (Maserati MC12 GT1): 1st in FIA GT
Scuderia Playteam Sarafree (Maserati MC12 T1): 2nd in FIA GT

GT2:
IMSA Performance Matmut (Porsche 997 GT3-RSR): 1st in 24hr of Le Mans 2007
Risi Competizione (Ferrari F430 GT2): 2nd in 24hr of Le Mans
Virgo Motorsport (Ferrari F430 GT2): 1st in LMS
Team Felbermayr-Proton (Porsche 997 GT3-RSR): 2nd in LMS
Flying Lizard Motorsports (Porsche 997 GT3-RSR): 1st in Petit Le Mans
Risi Competizione (Ferrari F430 GT2): 1st in ALMS
Motorola AF Corse (Ferrari F430 GT2): 1st in FIA GT
BMS Scuderia Italia (Porsche 997 GT3-RSR): 2nd in FIA GT

[DOF_power]

I would personally add F1s and DTMs in there too.

[Argento Reloaded]

The specs aro so biased in favour of diesel engine -thanks to a very long Audi lobby- that it will be a miracle if a Porsche wins! But if any porsche wins I will celebrate and laugh for a week!

[Niall McBride]

Nice to see Penske entering the 24 hour race this year, they weren't in it in '07 right?

[DOF_power]

Argento, on Jan 9 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

The specs aro so biased in favour of diesel engine -thanks to a very long Audi lobby- that it will be a miracle if a Porsche wins! But if any porsche wins I will celebrate and laugh for a week!

The Audi diesel is innovative, the Porsche petrol is not.
Therefor under the principle "catch up to survive and innovate to win" Porsche should go back to the drawing board and create a diesel LMP1 prototype even more innovative then the Audi so as to win the the 24h of Le Mans.
Winning should be done NOT by lobbing for the banning or retardation of the opposition but by outguning/out-innovating them.

[Argento Reloaded]

DOF_Renault_BMW, on Jan 11 2008, 08:36 AM, said:

The Audi diesel is innovative, the Porsche petrol is not.
Therefor under the principle "catch up to survive and innovate to win" Porsche should go back to the drawing board and create a diesel LMP1 prototype even more innovative then the Audi so as to win the the 24h of Le Mans.
Winning should be done NOT by lobbing for the banning or retardation of the opposition but by outguning/out-innovating them.

I think your statement is another victory of the marketing dept! Audi is applying the same tech developed for road cars to its racer. What so innovative about diesel engine?
The whole thing is similar to turbo engine in F1: when Reno started with a 2:1 displacement radio had a clearly behind normal aspirated; as tech evolved (5 years later) it had a clearly advantage because the 2:1 displacement radio was not related to the  current state of the art. The same thing is happening with today relationship between petrol engines and diesel engines: the displacement ratio is not showing current engine tech state of the art. So is not the case Porsche must go to drawing board. The case is the FIA must go and make new rules, unless they want a diesel only series.
Don´t you think is very suspicous diesel only car won over the last years?
I agree with you "Winning should be done NOT by lobbing for the banning or retardation of the opposition but by outguning/out-innovating them". But that the way Audi did it: lobbing for diesel!

[mikathegreat2]

A Porsche diesel engine? Think they tried that in a Cayenne & don't know anything about it but all I can say about a Cayenne diesel or an LMP1 future Porsche diesel is       

[Autumnpuma]

Diesel...HERESY! Ahem, anyway, when watching ALMS (and the 24 hours) my attention is on the Aston Martins. I have even bought a mug from them which I poured lousy coffee into at work. Which, after two months, cracked down the inside and, alas, cannot be cheaply repaired.

[DOF_power]

Argento, on Jan 11 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

I think your statement is another victory of the marketing dept! Audi is applying the same tech developed for road cars to its racer. What so innovative about diesel engine?
The whole thing is similar to turbo engine in F1: when Reno started with a 2:1 displacement radio had a clearly behind normal aspirated; as tech evolved (5 years later) it had a clearly advantage because the 2:1 displacement radio was not related to the  current state of the art. The same thing is happening with today relationship between petrol engines and diesel engines: the displacement ratio is not showing current engine tech state of the art. So is not the case Porsche must go to drawing board. The case is the FIA must go and make new rules, unless they want a diesel only series.
Don´t you think is very suspicous diesel only car won over the last years?
I agree with you "Winning should be done NOT by lobbing for the banning or retardation of the opposition but by outguning/out-innovating them". But that the way Audi did it: lobbing for diesel!

With all do respect, B*, that's right B*.
Diesels are more fuel efficient than petrols no matter how you try to spin it. No amount of petrol bias nostalgia nonsense will change the fact that diesels have a higher energy density than gasoline and that they don't require spark. Because of the higher energy density the likelihood of diesel reacting with the concentrated air is greater. Another way to think of it is when air molecules are packed so close together, fuel has a better chance of reacting with as many oxygen molecules as possible. Rudolf turned out to be right -- a gasoline engine compresses at a ratio of 8:1 to 12:1, while a diesel engine compresses at a ratio of 14:1 to as high as 25:1.
From this point of view the diesel was actually always superior to the petrol engine. But it had all sorts of problems (smell, noise, polution CO2 and NOx emissions) witch now with the AdBlue tech + new materials, injection, fancy turbos have been rectified.  

And no Audi is not applying the same technology to road cars. The R10 uses a special syntetic diesel, as opposed to BMW who won the 24h of Nurburgring with a more conventional diesel 320d touring car.
The Audi R10 is minus the diesel engine is simply a cheapo 2 seater grand-prix car. Everything, minus the diesel engine, comes from F1, witch simply showcases the level of techno-retardation Le Mans has reached.

But at least Audi managed to up the stick a little bit, as opposed to Porsche who in 1981 were still winning in a tubular car while F1 GP cars had truncated monocoques, some fully made of composites (McLaren and Lotus).

Edited by DOF_Renault_BMW, 12 January 2008 - 11:41 AM.

[DOF_power]

Autumnpuma, on Jan 12 2008, 08:37 AM, said:

Diesel...HERESY! Ahem, anyway, when watching ALMS (and the 24 hours) my attention is on the Aston Martins. I have even bought a mug from them which I poured lousy coffee into at work. Which, after two months, cracked down the inside and, alas, cannot be cheaply repaired.

Drive something like a BMW 335d and we'll see if it's still heresy.