79 replies to this topic

[Rainmaster]

I hope BMW can challenge Kimi's second title this season.

[massaikonen]

i think bmw can do well this year,challenge ferrari and mclaren

[elgo]

[wise words]
Looks like the typical Bmw Sauber
[/wise words]

Rainmaster, on Jan 14 2008, 08:43 PM, said:

I hope BMW can challenge Kimi's second title this season.

Don't worry, Ulonzoh will do the job!

[aussief1]

2//horns, on Jan 14 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

I'm very interested and would be quite surprised to see a simplistic evolution. I don't think BMW are that kind of team and in consideration of the resources they posses, I'm very much intrigued to see what they have done. Taking into account the home page and the sheet that covers the beast, some things look a little interesting.

With that said, during this post I came across this and I quote:



http://www.totalf1.c...vals__Heidfeld/

They have a very good blend of what worked well for them last year along with alot of new aero. I find myself stuck trying to decide if it's an evolution or a almost new concept. Anyone else agree with me??? Or is it just me??

I'll stick with it's somewhere in between. Not completly new but definately not a direct evolution of the F1.07

Very nice car indeed.

Sato, on Jan 14 2008, 06:27 PM, said:

the 07 one was just a basic evolution of the 06 model wasn't it?

Pretty much.

2//horns, on Jan 14 2008, 09:30 PM, said:

WOW it looks mean !

Tidbits of information gathered, from Willy Rampf (via the feed)

Put forth a strong focus on the aerodynamic stability of the car. Focused also on increasing the mechanical grip and feedback of the car. The cars physical appearance sees a larger front wing. One of the more interesting and physical aspects of the car that really caught 'my' eye was the appearance of the side pod and engine cover which had been lowered to accommodate and improve air flow to the rear of the car.

nice.

The sidpods are cut closer in at the bottom, and lower improving airflow to the rear. The most impressive part of the new car if you ask me they look very very nice as far as sidpods go.

The front wing is very large, they have kept with the square mid section of the element not gone back to the spoon shape that they ran in the first part of the 2007 season. The three element front wing is attached at the second element which is becoming the norm.

The F1.08 has a full mid wing element which ties in and connects with the engine cover.

Yes the engine cover looks massive because the sidepods are very low as you stated. Look at the exhaust exits sticking out - they look very tough!!!

Looks like the money they have spent on their super computer "Albert2" (CFD) looks to have had a good effect.

Back to studying the pictures

Fingers crossed it's a winner.

Edited by aussief1, 15 January 2008 - 12:31 AM.

[aussief1]

Anyone noticed the front wheel fairings?? They have a section that is square, overlapping the wheel rim

Willy Rampf descibes the F1.08 as a “radical evolution”. That sums up what I was thinking in my previous post

[F1 FANatic]

Here is something funny, The f1.08 actually drove in Munich in BMW world at the unveiling. THere is a small track in the building where apparently Nick drove the car for three laps. Its on the BMW Sauber website

http://www.bmw-saube...m/en/index.html

[aussief1]

Here is a picture of the awesomely sculptured sidepod on the F1.08



And the three element front wing. Notice the nose cone is missing the breather cut-out on the launch version.



Source: gpupdate.net

Edited by aussief1, 15 January 2008 - 05:48 AM.

[aussief1]

aussief1, on Jan 15 2008, 10:35 AM, said:

Anyone noticed the front wheel fairings?? They have a section that is square, overlapping the wheel rim

Here are some pictures of what I was describing above. You need to look very closely.





Source: gpupdate.net

Edited by aussief1, 15 January 2008 - 05:48 AM.

[Jez]

aussief1, on Jan 15 2008, 04:46 PM, said:

Here are some pictures of what I was describing above. You need to look very closely.





Source: gpupdate.net

Interesting observation Aussie. Wonder what the go is with that..Nice looking car I must say.

[2//horns]

I can't find any information in regard to the Valencia roll out. Will the event feed online as it has in previous years?

[aussief1]

Here is a link to some high resolution pictures for those of you who maybe interested.

http://f1club.be/rec...o/overzicht.php

[Rainmaster]

elgo, on Jan 14 2008, 10:09 PM, said:

Don't worry, Ulonzoh will do the job!

Ah OK, I don't mind who Kimi beats and it's always fun when Alonso loses!

[elgo]

Rainmaster, on Jan 15 2008, 07:19 PM, said:

Ah OK, I don't mind who Kimi beats and it's always fun when Alonso loses!

*cries*

Alonso
championship fights: 3
won: 2
Raikkonen
championship fights:3
won:1

*smiles*

[Max Mosley]

Interesting.  As usual we can't really say much about the technology.  Anyway, if BMW want to improve, the most important thing is to be more reliable imho.  If they've gone for a radical shakeup it will be interesting to see how reliable it all is.

[aussief1]

Here is a better detailed picture of the over lapping front wheel fairings.

[goferrarigo]

elgo, on Jan 15 2008, 03:10 PM, said:

*cries*

Alonso
championship fights: 3
won: 2
Raikkonen
championship fights:3
won:1

*smiles*

So now all the those dumb Alonso 2 Kimi None arguements have become Alonso still 2 and Kimi 1??

[aussief1]

BMW already have added some additional aero from the launch presentation.

Testing in Valencia BMW have added a vane that connects the bargeboards to the pod wing.

[Sato]

Yeah I saw a picture of that, it looks really weird!

[F1 FANatic]

http://www.formula1....008/1/7261.html

looking at those pictures you can really see how different the car is to the F1.07. Up until now I didn't even realize just how pointed and narrow the nose is, almost like in the mid 90's.

[mikathegreat2]

Looks quite good! Read about it in 1 of them free papers aswell as finding out that Ronnie O'Sullivan is Kubica's idol     !!!

[Rainmaster]

elgo, on Jan 15 2008, 09:10 PM, said:

*cries*

Alonso
championship fights: 3
won: 2
Raikkonen
championship fights:3
won:1

*smiles*

Haha well I can't argue with that!

[elgo]

goferrarigo, on Jan 16 2008, 02:45 AM, said:

So now all the those dumb Alonso 2 Kimi None arguements have become Alonso still 2 and Kimi 1??

I was just kidding,but...
It's not dumb.It's a fact.And facts are true.And so are farts.

[goferrarigo]

elgo, on Jan 16 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

I was just kidding,but...
It's not dumb.It's a fact.And facts are true.And so are farts.

Hmm... Never knew farts were true... I thought they were full of flies waiting to get out...

[Sato]

[nerd]
Farts are booleans?
[/nerd]

[aussief1]

elgo, on Jan 17 2008, 07:03 AM, said:

I was just kidding,but...
It's not dumb.It's a fact.And facts are true.And so are farts.

goferrarigo, on Jan 17 2008, 10:06 AM, said:

Hmm... Never knew farts were true... I thought they were full of flies waiting to get out...

Sato, on Jan 17 2008, 02:00 PM, said:

[nerd]
Farts are booleans?
[/nerd]

  

I can't believe the F1.08 thread has rotted away to this type of talk

              

Carry on if you must

[Jez]

Back on topic then.

Jan.24 (GMM) Nick Heidfeld has expressed concern about BMW-Sauber's 2008 car.
After the Swiss based team proved F1's third force in 2007 with its predecessor, the newly launched F1.08 single seater has not performed
ideally in pre-season testing so far, 30-year-old Heidfeld revealed.

"Last year, at this stage, things seemed better to me," he is quoted as saying at Valencia by the Daily Mail.

BMW chiefs, including team boss Mario Theissen, have targeted a maiden win for the German team this season, which begins in Australia on March 16.
Heidfeld says it is too early to rule out an improvement before then.

"I cannot yet say this car is worse, because I think we know what areas we have to work on," he explained.

For the past two days, BMW's 2007 car has lapped faster than the new contender as they ran simultaneously at Valencia.

source

Hope things improve quickly for Nick and Robert

[aussief1]

BMW - Sauber have plenty of time to unleash the potential of the F1.08.

[aussief1]

Rampf: There are a lot of areas to gamble on.

Willy Rampf is optimistic BMWis on the right track with its 2008 Formula 1contender, despite Nick Heidfeld reporting balance issues and the new car showing indifferent form in testing so far.

The F1.08 is the car the Munich and Hinwil-based squad has pinned its hopes upon as the machine that will transform it into a grand prix winner, after BMW finished second in the constructors' world championship last year with more than 100 points on the scoreboard courtesy of drivers Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica, and a brace of podium finishes for the former. Technical director Rampf is positive BMW's victory ambitions can be achieved during the forthcoming campaign, though he warns there is much work to be done yet.

“We are quite confident, but a lot depends on our competitors too,” the German underlined. “At the end of last season we were about half a second behind, and our target is to close that gap. We don't know how big a step the competition has made though; that we will see in Melbourne.

“Winter testing always offers a lot of areas for gambling, and whilst you don't know what fuel loads people are running you can't really compare the different cars. Everybody is developing until the last minute to have the latest results from the wind tunnel on their car, and then we do a lot of further development and set-up work.”

BMW began the design of the F1.08 back in May, after identifying the strong and weak points of its F1.07 predecessor during the opening grands prix of the 2007 season. With the change in technical regulations for 2008 regarding the ban on electronic driver aids and lack of engine braking, the new machine has been conceived with a larger front wing, lower engine cover to afford better air flow to the rear wing, a new front axle and completely new rear suspension – all in aid of improving downforce and maximising mechanical grip

“When you start early with the development of a car, you can then go more and more aggressive with detailed developments, knowing you have the time to go back if they don't work out properly,” Rampf explained. “The biggest changes are on the electronics side, with the ban on traction control and all engine braking.

“We expected the car to be more nervous, so one of the main development targets was to make a car which is more stable and forgiving during cornering without losing downforce, and one which gives more feedback to the drivers.

“The first test without traction control took a lot of getting used to – it was a disaster! – but the second test was reasonably good. I think to maximise the performance for short runs and qualifying will be relatively easy, but we also have to make sure we have the maximum race performance too, which might impact on the strategy. It's possible there will be more pit-stops because the tyres are being used more, especially the rears.

“We have to be very careful regarding our development strategy during the season. If we put all our resources into the existing car we will be sacrificing a bit of the 2009 development; otherwise we can say ‘we're not going to make it this year, let's concentrate on next year's car'.”

Still clearly concentrating on this year's model for the foreseeable future, though, Rampf is now looking ahead to the opening grand prix of the season in Australia in bullish state of mind, adamant BMWis a stronger team than it was this time last year, both in terms of manpower and ability.

“The growth of our team has gone fairly slowly compared to other big teams,” the 54-year-old stressed. “We have well-defined targets for everyone. I'm not concerned that too many chefs are spoiling the soup; I'm confident we have it all well under control.

“There are a lot of factors involved [in F1], and in Melbourne we will definitely have some features on the car which are not on it yet. A bad car will never win, but a good car is good everywhere.”

Source: http://www.totalf1.c...s_to_gamble_on/

[Sato]

Well seems I have a chance of being right when I said (and voted) they'd be the biggest disappointment of 2008.

[The Rumble Strip]

Edited by Team Formula One, 13 March 2008 - 05:09 PM.