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[F1 FANatic]

bathurst1000, on Jan 16 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

It was an Engine failure, so we will blame Renault for that

well the question is was the engine failure due to an engine construction problem or was it due to stress excerted on the engine by the new car, like say an over heating problem  

[bathurst1000]

F1 FANatic, on Jan 17 2008, 04:16 PM, said:

well the question is was the engine failure due to an engine construction problem or was it due to stress excerted on the engine by the new car, like say an over heating problem  

Might have even been an old engine?? Rb3 had no problems with engine overheating, so i doubt that over heating would be the reason, perhaps when they look closer they may find an electronics glitch?

[Quiet One]

Renault provides RBR with good engines, unlike Ferrari who gave STR their rejects . Unless the deal has changed, the engines used on the RBR should be as good as the one used in the Renaults.

[goferrarigo]

aussief1, on Jan 16 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

The RB4 ended up completed 54 laps

An average race is longer than that...


Let the fireworks begin...

[ykickamoocow]

goferrarigo, on Jan 18 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

An average race is longer than that...


Let the fireworks begin...

Its alot better than what happened with the RB2. I remember hearing that when they first tried to test the RB2 it had trouble even leaving the garage and even when it did it would break down constantly. They went to Melbourne for the 1st round with the car yet to complete a race distance without breaking down.

[mikathegreat2]

massaikonen, on Jan 16 2008, 08:48 PM, said:

it should be quick but will it be reliable

It better be after the dreadful car they had last season especially it's gearbox problems!

[aussief1]

goferrarigo, on Jan 18 2008, 12:34 AM, said:

An average race is longer than that...


Let the fireworks begin...

I was thinking the same thing

But in all seriousness it was just a shakedown test.

Performance testing Mark started on the second day.

The RB4 will be reliable I have no doubt.

[goferrarigo]

aussief1, on Jan 17 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

I was thinking the same thing

But in all seriousness it was just a shakedown test.

Performance testing Mark started on the second day.

The RB4 will be reliable I have no doubt.

So that means they weren't at race pace...

So will it be more or less reliable??

Just kidding, it should be a bit more reliable this year...

[The Rumble Strip]

Edited by Team Formula One, 13 March 2008 - 07:37 PM.

[Jez]

<H2 class=headline>Red Bull hit by new car kerb damage</H2>24 January 2008 / Results / Photos

Mark Webber's second day at the wheel of RB4 came to a premature end today after kerb damage was discovered on the monocoque. Although not serious, it could not be repaired in time to resume testing.

"Overall, this three day test has been positive, with RB4 showing encouraging performance and reliability," maintained Red Bull chief test engineer, Ian Morgan. "Even the two runs Mark managed this morning went well, but the early stop meant we did not get through all of today's programme."

Red Bull Racing will be back in action from 1 to 3 February in Barcelona.

source

Oops...

[Sato]

Well... Reliable? Doesn't sound like it to me.

[Sato]

New Red Bull 'not innovative'
Anderson critical of Newey’s new design

Former Jordan and Jaguar designer Gary Anderson is not impressed with Adrian Newey's new Red Bull RB4.

The Ulsterman observes that the new Renault-powered car is seemingly too similar to its predecessor, the RB3, which finished the 2007 constructors' championship in fifth place.

"The RB3 was on average missing 1.2 seconds per lap," he told the Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell.

"In my view, to reduce that kind of gap, you must be innovative," Anderson added.

http://en.f1-live.co...128110208.shtml




Can't say I disagree with him.

[ykickamoocow]

Sato, on Jan 28 2008, 10:18 PM, said:

New Red Bull 'not innovative'
Anderson critical of Newey’s new design

Former Jordan and Jaguar designer Gary Anderson is not impressed with Adrian Newey's new Red Bull RB4.

The Ulsterman observes that the new Renault-powered car is seemingly too similar to its predecessor, the RB3, which finished the 2007 constructors' championship in fifth place.

"The RB3 was on average missing 1.2 seconds per lap," he told the Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell.

"In my view, to reduce that kind of gap, you must be innovative," Anderson added.

http://en.f1-live.co...128110208.shtml




Can't say I disagree with him.

Not really. The 2007 McLaren was only a evolution of the 2006 McLaren and as you all know the 2006 McLaren wasnt a overally competitive car while the 2007 version nearly won the championship.

[Sato]

IT was closer to the front runners than the RB3 was though... Probably half the gap at most.

[ykickamoocow]

Sato, on Jan 29 2008, 12:55 AM, said:

IT was closer to the front runners than the RB3 was though... Probably half the gap at most.

Yes but Red Bull arnt aiming for victories. They are aiming for 4th in the constructors Championship and i think that that is a reasonable goal.

[Sato]

Well I'd say so far (and I know it's just testing etc etc etc) They're behind Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and BMW (even if they do have issues atm). Plus they're less reliable... Not liking it at all atm... I hope they improve a lot compared to those ahead by the time Melbourne comes up... Especially in reliability!

[ykickamoocow]

Sato, on Jan 29 2008, 03:53 AM, said:

Well I'd say so far (and I know it's just testing etc etc etc) They're behind Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and BMW (even if they do have issues atm). Plus they're less reliable... Not liking it at all atm... I hope they improve a lot compared to those ahead by the time Melbourne comes up... Especially in reliability!

They havent done speed tests yet. They were planning too on the last day of testing but Webber only got in 15 laps before the car got a problem which they couldnt fix quickly.

[Quiet One]

Sato, on Jan 28 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

Well I'd say so far (and I know it's just testing etc etc etc) They're behind RENAULT, Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and BMW (even if they do have issues atm). Plus they're less reliable... Not liking it at all atm... I hope they improve a lot compared to those ahead by the time Melbourne comes up... Especially in reliability!

Minor correction to your post

[Autumnpuma]

aussief1, on Jan 16 2008, 04:06 AM, said:

As I expected really. Adrian will refine this concept over a couple of years as he did whilst at Mclaren. The focus as has been discussed here would have been on the reliabilty side of the car more than the aero. The RB3 was very aero efficient anyway. I do expect some aero changes to filter through before Melbourne but nothing drastic I'm afraid.

This is what I was thinking too. The aero on last year's car was never the serious issue. Overall reliability of the non-aero parts seemed to hinder them from really getting the most from the chassis. For instance the gearbox alone caused them enough headaches that, perhaps, refining the aero took a back seat. Also we should consider possible problems last year from the team (essentially Jaguar) not having the skill to set the car up properly for each test and race (the team gets the car in the ballpark and the driver refines it...hard to refined it if it's not fully in the ballpark). Lack of top-notch organization could also have hurt the team by not allowing the most effective use of resources to improve the car. My rambling point is that I think appearances can be deceiving and just because the car looks close to last year doesn't mean it won't be any good. If they've mastered the reliability they should do fine.

[B.P.]

IMO Red Bull were close to being the 3rd fastest team late in the 2007 season, outqualifying BMW in the last 2 races.If Red Bull had the reliability of Renault or even Williams they would have scored a lot more points. I agree with Mike about the teams' ability with decision making. I'm still scatching my head with some of the poor decisions they made last year. I think the car looks competative and hope the reliability issues have been sorted out........fingers crossed.

[Sato]

Quiet One, on Jan 29 2008, 05:53 AM, said:

Minor correction to your post

I totally forgot reno somehow, but I'd definitely agree that they'd be ahead of RB.

[Jez]

Woah! The RB4 has a mohawk for some reason..

[aussief1]

Red Bull try radical new aero solution

By Jonathan Noble and Craig Scarborough Friday, February 1st 2008, 10:50 GMT


Red Bull Racing caused a surprise on the first day of this week's test at Barcelona in Spain when they ran a radical engine cover fin on their new RB4.

At the car's launch last month, Red Bull drew criticism that their new car was too similar to its predecessor. Only the car's new diffuser and attention to its reliability issues had been obvious developments.

The team had promised several aerodynamic updates, however, although few had predicted the solution that ran today.

The top of the engine cover extends horizontally from the top of the roll hoop all the way to the rear wing.

The new fin will likely be aimed at helping lateral stability, with flow from the rear wing being affected when the car slides. The new more extreme tail looks to be a work around for the fin shrouding the rear wing.

As the fin is undercut, the flow to the wing can continue when the car slides, leaving the upper part of the fin high above the rear wing to provide the lateral stability.

The solution aids the car's stability particularly on corner entry, which is important this year, as the loss of the engine braking control on the single ECU makes the cars less stable. This fin could go some way to recovering some of the lost stability.

Source: www.autosport.com

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

Jez, on Feb 1 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Woah! The RB4 has a mohawk for some reason..

"....we're gonna need a bigger boat...."

[Sato]

Interesting to say the least.... Hopefully it works for them.

[spitfire]

Sato, on Feb 1 2008, 05:22 PM, said:

Interesting to say the least.... Hopefully it works for them.

They better be careful though cause if it works too well and ever helps them to pass one of the Ferraris then it will certainly be declared illegal.  
of course then Red could say they have their own Flying Fin  

[David Adams]

Thats such a bad joke it was funny

[ecapdeville]

Someone remember a Mclaren with something like that?????

And with Mansell in it...

[Autumnpuma]

ecapdeville, on Feb 2 2008, 10:47 AM, said:

Someone remember a Mclaren with something like that?????

And with Mansell in it...

Mansell squished into it with the help of 5 engineers and some butter....



1995 was the year (had to google that because my memory sucks).

Nathan, thanks for digging the explanation out for us!

Edited by Autumnpuma, 02 February 2008 - 07:25 PM.

[Rainmaster]

The RB4 seems neither reliable or quick.