Clicky

Jump to content

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Rainmaster

A War Is Coming..

Recommended Posts

Ecclestone calls Mosley to stand down

Saturday, May 31st 2008, 12:31 GMT

Formula One commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone has called FIA president Max Mosley to step down from his position voluntarily by the end of this year, saying Mosley can no longer continue in his role after the sexual allegations made against him by the News of the World.

Mosley faces a vote of confidence at the FIA's General Assembly next Tuesday, and he is adamant that he should not be required to stand down despite embarrassing revelations about his sexual habits in the British tabloids.

And Ecclestone believes Mosley now risks being humiliated once more if he does not step down on his own accord - and the F1 supremo has called his friend of 40 years to make the inevitable sacrifice.

"The last thing most people involved in the sport, including the clubs, would want to see is Max in a position where he could be forced to stand down," Ecclestone told the Telegraph.

"I don't want to see that. I've been a friend of Max for 40 years. I would hate to see him go in this way after all he has done for the sport."

Ecclestone revealed there is a growing discontent among those involved in F1 by the fact that Mosley has not resigned immediately after the story appeared in the News of the World almost two months ago.

"Since the story broke I have been under enormous pressure from the people who invest in Formula One, sponsors and manufacturers, over this issue," Ecclestone told the newspaper.

"They point out that as a chief executive or chief operating officer of a major company they would have gone either immediately, or within 24 hours, in the same circumstances. They cannot understand why Max has not done the same.

"Max is a strong man. Once he makes a decision he sticks to it. He feels that there is still important work to do at the FIA. But in my view there is a way to accomplish this and retire at the end of the year at the FIA general assembly in November. I would be happy to sit at his side to help him to achieve that.

"He should stand down out of responsibility for the institution he represents, including F1. Everyone who I speak to in a position of authority across F1 rings me to say he should leave. It is regretful that he has not made that decision."

Ecclestone emphasized that Mosley will not be able to carry his job any further because his reputation has been tarnished. And the Briton revealed even among friends, Mosley is being shunned.

"The big problem is that he can no longer represent the FIA worldwide because of these incidents," Ecclestone said. "The general feeling is that people would no longer be comfortable speaking to him in the same way.

"My wife had invited Max to her birthday party, (but) she was told to ask Max not to appear because of the embarrassment it might cause to a number of corporate guests. She was extremely upset about that, but she accepted she had to speak to him. It was very difficult for her to do that.

"Max is being punished for the wrong reasons. He has done a first-class job as president. Like all of us he has made some mistakes but 90 per cent of the decisions he has taken have been to the benefit of all. He deserves to be remembered for all the positive work he has done, not for an expose in a tabloid newspaper.

"That is why he should announce his decision to resign now and not go through with a vote of confidence. That is not in his best interests, the FIA's or the sport's."

Source

Well I must say, the hobbit talks some serious sense here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

GLAD YOU AGREE! :D

For sure, we are all hypocrates. Many like porn, but most of them would never marry a pornstar. Likewise we most of us don't want a guy with a porn image nor a guy who has offended a certain community run a company that must set global standards- Max has misused his powers even in the office, so he has less friends. But we must really appretiate this guy for making this sport more safe.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
For sure, we are all hypocrates. Many like porn, but most of them would never marry a pornstar. Likewise we most of us don't want a guy with a porn image nor a guy who has offended a certain community run a company that must set global standards- Max has misused his powers even in the office, so he has less friends. But we must really appretiate this guy for making this sport more safe.

I must hurry to post before Cav! :P

I don't think his famous struggle to increase sport's safety is that great. He nerfed down F1 with so many regulations, it is not only safe, it's a borefest.

Safety improved not because Saint Mosley was a lone supporter of safety, but because the GDPA took an active role in the past years and because as the sport became more and more a commercial show and less of a real racing competition, teams decided that having a dead driver/team member/member of the public dead was not an ideal PR move.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can't believe I am saying this but I have to agree with the Quiet One. (j/k)

There is a difference between making the be sport safe while also fun to watch and have exciting racing and just castrating it. Max decided to take the second route.

With this whole News of the World thing coming out I guess its not such a surprise any more he would favor the more violent approach.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I must hurry to post before Cav! :P

I don't think his famous struggle to increase sport's safety is that great. He nerfed down F1 with so many regulations, it is not only safe, it's a borefest.

Safety improved not because Saint Mosley was a lone supporter of safety, but because the GDPA took an active role in the past years and because as the sport became more and more a commercial show and less of a real racing competition, teams decided that having a dead driver/team member/member of the public dead was not an ideal PR move.

Completely agree. I think it would have taken an idiot of monumental proprtions to not go down the safety route after 94, but it is how he has gone down the safety route that should be judged. I am of the opinion that many people could have done a better job than Max.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
For sure, we are all hypocrates. Many like porn, but most of them would never marry a pornstar. Likewise we most of us don't want a guy with a porn image nor a guy who has offended a certain community run a company that must set global standards- Max has misused his powers even in the office, so he has less friends. But we must really appretiate this guy for making this sport more safe.

As the QO says below, I'm sure he had commercial pressure to increase safety but he did it at the expense of the racing, I'm still convinced that both can co-exist in F1. The problem is he rushed to increase safety, and was blind to the fact it would damage the fundamental concept of the sport - the racing, the entertainment. Now he's been caught in the act, and people will use it against him as a political weapon, but so what?

He has no doubt done the same to others in the past, so it's not 'discrimination', 'hypocrisy' or anything else*, it's karma; what goes around comes around.

The first man I'd be praising for making the sport safer is Jackie Stewart; he did it before it was cool.

*I know you didn't say that, but I think others may have.

I must hurry to post before Cav! :P

I don't think his famous struggle to increase sport's safety is that great. He nerfed down F1 with so many regulations, it is not only safe, it's a borefest.

Safety improved not because Saint Mosley was a lone supporter of safety, but because the GDPA took an active role in the past years and because as the sport became more and more a commercial show and less of a real racing competition, teams decided that having a dead driver/team member/member of the public dead was not an ideal PR move.

Indeeedy deed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Motorsport is safer but it will never be safe.

The boredom problems came due to cars being too fast combined with dumb ww-racertainment decisions. The decline in overtaking was happening since ~1983 when the venturi ground-effect cars were replace with big wing cars.

The cars of today are hyperfast (they actually set new records on some tracks beating even the V10s) and hypersensitive and for overtaking to return the cars need to either:

a] be slowed down (in the fun wet conditions they were 15 sec. slower)

b] be stabilized thru electronics + ground effects + slicks + an engine/formula with a better torque curve

c] both

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Motorsport is safer but it will never be safe.

The boredom problems came due to cars being too fast combined with dumb ww-racertainment decisions. The decline in overtaking was happening since ~1983 when the venturi ground-effect cars were replace with big wing cars.

The cars of today are hyperfast (they actually set new records on some tracks beating even the V10s) and hypersensitive and for overtaking to return the cars need to either:

a] be slowed down (in the fun wet conditions they were 15 sec. slower)

b] be stabilized thru electronics + ground effects + slicks + an engine/formula with a better torque curve

c] both

Good post as so often, but I also think the greater importance of the cars nowadays has played an important role. Wet weather is fun at least partly because the driver can make a bigger difference.

And on topic, I don't know whether Bernie's comments will really hurt Max's case. They might even help if Bernie is seen to be trying to undermine or interfere with the FIA.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It took a tyrant like leadership in FIA to execute such safety measures, no matter what you guys say :P I still think Max had an important role to play in it. I praised his discession to make the engines v8 from v10 when many fans and teams were moaning. Who knows what would have happened to Kova or Kubi if they were travelling 10kmph faster! I really cannot say if someone else would have made the sport safer. The reason why I hate Max is not because he didn't invite me ;) , but for trying to tear a certain team for something so silly which may have occured many times without their knowledge last season, and his favouritism towards teams who submits according to his wishes :P . I don't want such inconsistent leadership. I would like to see some stable leader who gives the motorsports stable rules and improve safety and racing further. I hope they bring back traction control, I think that was a step back from safety.

Max caught Ron with his hands in a cookie jar, but the world saw Max with his pants down! Get out Max!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I must hurry to post before Cav! :P

I don't think his famous struggle to increase sport's safety is that great. He nerfed down F1 with so many regulations, it is not only safe, it's a borefest.

Safety improved not because Saint Mosley was a lone supporter of safety, but because the GDPA took an active role in the past years and because as the sport became more and more a commercial show and less of a real racing competition, teams decided that having a dead driver/team member/member of the public dead was not an ideal PR move.

So you are saying that GDPA is the one to blame for the sport being so boring today?

We have to take a look at what is doing F1 safer now if GDPA or Max rules and then we will know who is the one to blame.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So you are saying that GDPA is the one to blame for the sport being so boring today?

We have to take a look at what is doing F1 safer now if GDPA or Max rules and then we will know who is the one to blame.

GDPA worked on ideas like the HANS, not the aero regulations. Even if both organizations were to blame, GDPA would still be doing the right thing as their mission is to keep drivers out of harm. FIA, on the other hand, has both the responsiblity of keeping the sport alive, as well as the drivers. So, in the end, GDPA would have accomplished their mission while the FIA wouldn't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GDPA worked on ideas like the HANS, not the aero regulations. Even if both organizations were to blame, GDPA would still be doing the right thing as their mission is to keep drivers out of harm. FIA, on the other hand, has both the responsiblity of keeping the sport alive, as well as the drivers. So, in the end, GDPA would have accomplished their mission while the FIA wouldn't.

Well, I didn't know that GPDA has to be credited for Hans! Anyways, thanks for the info, I correct my words! :D

We don't need FIA, we fans can run F1 better! :P

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I must hurry to post before Cav! :P

I don't think his famous struggle to increase sport's safety is that great. He nerfed down F1 with so many regulations, it is not only safe, it's a borefest.

Safety improved not because Saint Mosley was a lone supporter of safety, but because the GDPA took an active role in the past years and because as the sport became more and more a commercial show and less of a real racing competition, teams decided that having a dead driver/team member/member of the public dead was not an ideal PR move.

Exactly - that's why Max is incompetent and should go - sod the sex scandal - who gives a crap - just resign for being rubbish old boy. Max keeps getting creditted with making F1 safer - nonsense. Anyone in his position would have taken similar steps, if not even better ones so as not to ruin the racing.

Motorsport is safer but it will never be safe.

The boredom problems came due to cars being too fast combined with dumb ww-racertainment decisions. The decline in overtaking was happening since ~1983 when the venturi ground-effect cars were replace with big wing cars.

The cars of today are hyperfast (they actually set new records on some tracks beating even the V10s) and hypersensitive and for overtaking to return the cars need to either:

a] be slowed down (in the fun wet conditions they were 15 sec. slower)

b] be stabilized thru electronics + ground effects + slicks + an engine/formula with a better torque curve

c] both

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Random sprinkler systems around every track is the answer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Good post as so often, but I also think the greater importance of the cars nowadays has played an important role. Wet weather is fun at least partly because the driver can make a bigger difference.

And on topic, I don't know whether Bernie's comments will really hurt Max's case. They might even help if Bernie is seen to be trying to undermine or interfere with the FIA.

What bigger car influence ?!

The 1950s was the decade of dominant cars followed by the 1960s and 1980s. The 1050 Alfas and 1952/53 Ferraris were even more dominant then the McLaren MP4/4, Ferrari F2002 and F2004 with Ascari winning every race in 1952.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
In my day it was 75 percent car and mechanics, 25 percent driver and luck. Today it is 95 percent car. A driver can emerge in a good new car, become world champion, and a year later disappear to the back of the queue. Driving skill hardly counts anymore.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And Andretti said 70% car 30% driver, Alonso 80-20, F. Williams 25% driver all while still in buisness.

When Fangio made the 95% remark he was a retired old man disillusioned by the lack of a great champion to blow them all away.

1982 was in fact perhaps the wildest year in F1 history with so many drivers winning, many overtakings and lead changed (post old Monza) that I personally regret F1 strain away from that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
And Andretti said 70% car 30% driver, Alonso 80-20, F. Williams 25% driver all while still in buisness.

When Fangio made the 95% remark he was a retired old man disillusioned by the lack of a great champion to blow them all away.

1982 was in fact perhaps the wildest year in F1 history with so many drivers winning, many overtakings and lead changed (post old Monza) that I personally regret F1 strain away from that.

Agree with you on this one DOF. Drivers still make a lot of difference. For example I am pointing out the difference in performance between two drivers driving the same car, take a look at Kubica and Nick. Kubica is able to warm up his tyres quickly and thus setting better times compared to Nick who is struggling to bring his tyre's temprature up. That does not mean Nick is bad, he will find a way out. The difference in performance between two drivers itself is a proof that drivers make a difference.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The qualification has never been more important to F1/GP racing like it is today. For example Hamilton lost the Turkish GP during qualification.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Agree with you on this one DOF. Drivers still make a lot of difference. For example I am pointing out the difference in performance between two drivers driving the same car, take a look at Kubica and Nick. Kubica is able to warm up his tyres quickly and thus setting better times compared to Nick who is struggling to bring his tyre's temprature up. That does not mean Nick is bad, he will find a way out. The difference in performance between two drivers itself is a proof that drivers make a difference.

Hey, why not take a look at Alonso and Piquet. Maybe Nelsinho is not that bad, he was ok as a pre-F1 driver. Maybe it is Alonso who makes the difference for the R28.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hey, why not take a look at Alonso and Piquet. Maybe Nelsinho is not that bad, he was ok as a pre-F1 driver. Maybe it is Alonso who makes the difference for the R28.

Utter rubbish. A decent F1 driver is a maximum of about .5 seconds off the pace of an excellent teammate. Anyone who is more than half a second off his teammate under ideal conditions should just pack up. Picket averages 1.5 iirc. The most hilarious plan is to replace him with Sato. I assume Chanoch Nissany follows next and we will all sit here with our jaws to the floor admiring Alonso's exceptional skills.

It is not that hard to look pretty in a crap car, there are always plenty of excuses available. It's called the Fisichella fallacy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...