Mosley Wins His Case

[Quiet One 15]

Nude man charged with having sex with table

Monday, March 31, 2008

Art Price Jr: alleged table-sexer

A married father of three faces indecency charges after allegedly having sex with a picnic table.

Art Price Jr, 40, was seen doing the dirty with the garden furniture at his home in Bellevue, Ohio, on four occasions by a neighbour.

The neighbour, who hasn't been named, says that he saw Mr Price turning the table over before performing the sex acts on it.

Police officer Matt Johnson said: 'He was completely nude. He would use the hole from the umbrella and have sex with the table.'

Just to add a touch of class to his furniture-copulation, Price reportedly carried out his naked table-boffing in broad daylight, very close to a local school.

The fourth time, the neighbour videotaped the alleged table-sexing as evidence.

Officer Johnson commented: 'Once you think you've seen it all, something else comes around.'

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Source: No idea, a friend of mine just sent me a mail with this.

Anyways, I think this case is even worse than Mosley's. I expect Cav to carry on with his crusade for Art Price Jr.!

[pabloh20 1]

Nude man charged with having sex with table

Monday, March 31, 2008

Art Price Jr: alleged table-sexer

A married father of three faces indecency charges after allegedly having sex with a picnic table.

Art Price Jr, 40, was seen doing the dirty with the garden furniture at his home in Bellevue, Ohio, on four occasions by a neighbour.

The neighbour, who hasn't been named, says that he saw Mr Price turning the table over before performing the sex acts on it.

Police officer Matt Johnson said: 'He was completely nude. He would use the hole from the umbrella and have sex with the table.'

Just to add a touch of class to his furniture-copulation, Price reportedly carried out his naked table-boffing in broad daylight, very close to a local school.

The fourth time, the neighbour videotaped the alleged table-sexing as evidence.

Officer Johnson commented: 'Once you think you've seen it all, something else comes around.'

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Source: No idea, a friend of mine just sent me a mail with this.

Anyways, I think this case is even worse than Mosley's. I expect Cav to carry on with his crusade for Art Price Jr.!

This is disgusting media sensationalism again. The school is not close to me at all, it's at least 500 yards away.

[Kati 0]

Nude man charged with having sex with table

Monday, March 31, 2008

Art Price Jr: alleged table-sexer

A married father of three faces indecency charges after allegedly having sex with a picnic table.

Art Price Jr, 40, was seen doing the dirty with the garden furniture at his home in Bellevue, Ohio, on four occasions by a neighbour.

The neighbour, who hasn't been named, says that he saw Mr Price turning the table over before performing the sex acts on it.

Police officer Matt Johnson said: 'He was completely nude. He would use the hole from the umbrella and have sex with the table.'

Just to add a touch of class to his furniture-copulation, Price reportedly carried out his naked table-boffing in broad daylight, very close to a local school.

The fourth time, the neighbour videotaped the alleged table-sexing as evidence.

Officer Johnson commented: 'Once you think you've seen it all, something else comes around.'

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Source: No idea, a friend of mine just sent me a mail with this.

Anyways, I think this case is even worse than Mosley's. I expect Cav to carry on with his crusade for Art Price Jr.!

somehow i feel more disgusted for the neighbors watching it four times and filming it than by the man with relationship problems raping the poor table.

[pabloh20 1]

somehow i feel more disgusted for the neighbors watching it four times and filming it than by the man with relationship problems raping the poor table.

Exsqueeze me?? The table consented and it was paid well

[Quiet One 15]

This is disgusting media sensationalism again. The school is not close to me at all, it's at least 500 yards away.

Aw come on! I have you on tape! Stop lying! It's just like it was with Muzza and that eggplant which I also happen to have taped

[Kati 0]

Exsqueeze me?? The table consented and it was paid well

there's also the probability of the table being a present from his wife... she may not even mind it.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Exsqueeze me?? The table consented and it was paid well

Don't you mean the table was a friend and you gave it a gift

I bet the table was Irish - was its name Patty O'Furniture by any chance?

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Aw come on! I have you on tape! Stop lying! It's just like it was with Muzza and that eggplant which I also happen to have taped

1) Murray got confused in the sperm bank when they said they were using donated eggs and thought they said eggplants

2) Why did you put tape on an eggplant? Does it make it hold together better???

[cavallino 2]

I don't think its particularly clever to quote journalists slagging off other journalists - since when is that "public opinion"?

Public opinion is on the BBC link I posted taht you obviously haven't looked at. Or just scroll down on the Guardian page.

Most people would also recognise that this case has nothing to do with privacy, Max's motivation for bringing this to court was to clear the "N" word from his name, something he is very sensitive about. Interesting considering his not-often discussed past - did you know that he and his brother were active members of his father's right-wing party - the Union Movement? Renamed from its original more fascist name as post-war anti-fascist sentiment was high.

I've read about his past. 45 years is about twice the time murderers have to serve, but apparently that's not enough for you? Why's his distant past so important? Unlike much feted racist heroes like Churchill, he's changed, I give him credit for that. He was fascist at a time before the American civil rights movement, before half of Africa got independence, long before the end of South African apartheid, the Australian white Australia policy? Do you have any idea how long F W de Klerk for example supported segregationist policies before changing his stand. If he can get a nobel prize, Max bloody well deserves to have his past forgotten.

Why do I bother?

As well as being an adulterer, I believe Max is also now a perjuror. His exploits are also front page news (again). If I didn't know better I'd say he's enjoying all this media exposure.... hmmm

bulls##t. Poeple like you gloated over the publicity the matter got when false allegations were flying and people made idiotic public statements. You used that publicity to suggest that it made Max unsuitable for the job. Now the coverage is in his favour, you suddenly have a problem with it. You didn't mind that stuff on your front page then did you, you didn't say 'get this crap off the news and let the man do his job'. People like you, not the NOTW's normal audience gave the earlier story credibility by giving it mainstream attention. And now you have a problem with it being front page news?

And as for the not affecting his job thing - Cav I dare you next time you go for a job interview, when they ask you about personal interests - slip in a few lines about how you enjoy private prison-based S&M sessions with hookers. Let's see how many job offers you get?

I don't know what kind of jobs you apply to, I have never been asked a question like that. Sure the average corporate slave isn't in a position to stand up and defend, that doesn't make discrimination like that justifiable.

I think a healthy dose of reality is called for.

You're all using pragmatism / realism as an excuse, stand up for what you think it right, writing about it here won't cost you anything. And actually say what you're standing up for, instead of weaseling around.

Doh! I said I wasn't going to post again on this....

Still seeking the moral high ground are we? Your supercilious hypocrisy is annoying. You keep coming back into the debate and then try to duck out by trying to pretend that you couldn't be bothered. You present the wide publicity that the original story received as a reason that Max should resign, and now that the reports are in favour of Max, you suddenly object to having to read about it.

I said he should resign.

You still say that? After the lady who ran the whole thing has come out and said the whole report was a fabrication? So Max should resign because he had sex with hookers?

[cavallino 2]

Not enough to be fired. But enough for him to resign if he had some sense of honor and THEN crush NOTW with all the sue actions he could afford. Now that is something I would have agreed with.

Why should he resign? Just because a trashbloid published something about him? You're setting the bar pretty low aren't you? You want to ruin someone's life, just rent a page in a newspaper, publish crap about someone. Will cost you less than a million dollars, including all the legal fees. Easy isn't it, just cook up anything and people like you will be shouting with moral indignation asking for a resignation, without waiting for or making any effort to find out the truth. Rubbish, why should he let his life be ruined by such small minded people who have nothing better to do than read trash papers, believe everything they read, and refuse to exercise their solitary brain cell.

Have you read about the recent scandal in Malaysia? Some high up political guy (leader of the opposition I think) is accused of sodomy. Just like that. Cook up an allegation and ruin someone's life. And you, by what you are saying are legitimizing that.

Does the money go to charit

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Go and take a valium or viagra or whatever....

[cavallino 2]

Go and take a valium or viagra or whatever....

I am fine thanks Feel free to throw some more personal insults if it helps you feel better HAve a lovely day

[Quiet One 15]

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Which part of the phrase broad daylight is so difficult to understand.

Tergiversation was always part of your jumbo sized multi-quote replies. But this time you got carried away. Not only you again simplified other people's replies to the point of stupidity, only to accuse them afterwards of saying stupid things. This time you didn't even managed to understand what was being quoted.

Read my posts again. Try to understand them. Then you might reply.

Oh, and the comment I posted about the guy with the table and you was a joke. I wasn't really comparing both cases (but you failed to understand that, also)

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Cav the reason I duck out of these conversations is the pointlessness of trying to explain anything to you.

I have more than explained my views on the matter, but you either twist what I and others say, apply your own thoughts/agenda to it, quote lots of press articles or rant back in your usual way.

But I will tell you what I stand for - some of the answers may surprise you, but as you've been going rant, rant you've failed to pick this up.

Am I against people engaging in S&M? No couldn't give a damn what they do; in fact I have friends who are very into this scene (organising parties around it) and before you ask, no I don't get involved.

Am I against prostitutes? Nope up to individuals what they do. Not pro it particularly, but it goes on, so what.

Am I against invasion of privacy? Yes very much so. The caveat to this is that something has to be private for an invasion to occur. And in Mosley's case, I am with Pabloh in that what he did was emphatically not private and if he wanted it be so, he 1) should have taken more care 2) involved less people 3) put a contract in place preventing them from telling anyone.

Do I like the media? Nope. But again, I don't have a lot of sympathy with the rich and famous and the media. Some chose to live a lifestyle where they are in the public spotlight and exploit this for theie own ends. Mosley being a case in point. However, my view is that you take the rough with the smooth - occasionally they will turn on you, especially if you do something stupid. I don't like it (I don't read newspapers) but irrespective of what is right or wrong, that's the way it is.

What about his family? I don't agree with what he did in terms of his marriage, that's my personal view - I believe in fidelity. I also don't agree with the way he appears to be revelling in the media and has been so cavalier about revealing all the gory details. If it were me, I would not have gone to court for fear of damaging the family further. I would quieten things down, not open them up for the world to see and why, if he was so keen on keeping things private would he volunteer far, far more intimate information?? Does this really sound like someone who cares deeply about his privacy or is it the N word that is getting to him and he will sacrifice anything to clear his name?

What about his job? As I have said before I believe someone in an influential position, globally should have good standing. I do not believe that Max's exploits place him in good standing. It raises questions about his integrity and judgement and some people (like it or not) will not feel happy with what he has done (not necessarily the sexual aspects, but his behaviour and performance - aggressiveness, bending the truth) - these may be heads of state, commercial executives, whatever. Again you may not like this, but that's the way it is.

His political past? Well so what if it was when he was young - how do you know what he really believes? Do you honestly think that his S&M romp had no fascist overtones? German accents carrying more authority??? Come on!

What about his performance in the court-room? I believe it was stage managed, I also do not believe he was being entirely truthful. You keep bashing on about him being vindicated and that there was no evidence of Nazi behaviour/prostitution. Well Cav wake up! If you can't see through this then you are even more naieve than I thought you were. He was under oath and perjury is a crime.

You keep saying "people like me". Well "people like me" are not in the minority as you feel, nor are we in the majority. It does not make "us" wrong, nor does it make you right. I'm very happy being a "person like me". At least I am not idealistic or naieve.

[Oli 1]

The president of the FIA is not there to uphold your morals.

The president of the FIA is not there to uphold your morals.

The president of the FIA is not there to uphold your morals.

The president of the FIA is not there to uphold your morals.

The president of the FIA is not there to uphold your morals.

The president of the FIA is not there to uphold your morals.

Read people's posts, try and understand them, stop quoting out of context and stop acting like a child. If you want people to debate you like a grown up then have the courage of your own convictions that your argument will persuade people without having to resort to misquotations, misinterpretations and name-calling.

[pabloh20 1]

Aw come on! I have you on tape! Stop lying! It's just like it was with Muzza and that eggplant which I also happen to have taped

Just because the table is creaking in a German accent doesn't mean it is any, way, shape or form to do with Naziism and I have the NOTW precedent to thank for that

there's also the probability of the table being a present from his wife... she may not even mind it.

Don't you mean the table was a friend and you gave it a gift

I bet the table was Irish - was its name Patty O'Furniture by any chance?

Oh, yeah I forgot

Hold, on is it legal to pay a table for sex? It is?? Ok, I paid it then

[Fed up 0]

Cav the reason I duck out of these conversations is the pointlessness of trying to explain anything to you.

I have more than explained my views on the matter, but you either twist what I and others say, apply your own thoughts/agenda to it, quote lots of press articles or rant back in your usual way.

But I will tell you what I stand for - some of the answers may surprise you, but as you've been going rant, rant you've failed to pick this up.

Am I against people engaging in S&M? No couldn't give a damn what they do; in fact I have friends who are very into this scene (organising parties around it) and before you ask, no I don't get involved.

Am I against prostitutes? Nope up to individuals what they do. Not pro it particularly, but it goes on, so what.

Am I against invasion of privacy? Yes very much so. The caveat to this is that something has to be private for an invasion to occur. And in Mosley's case, I am with Pabloh in that what he did was emphatically not private and if he wanted it be so, he 1) should have taken more care 2) involved less people 3) put a contract in place preventing them from telling anyone.

Do I like the media? Nope. But again, I don't have a lot of sympathy with the rich and famous and the media. Some chose to live a lifestyle where they are in the public spotlight and exploit this for theie own ends. Mosley being a case in point. However, my view is that you take the rough with the smooth - occasionally they will turn on you, especially if you do something stupid. I don't like it (I don't read newspapers) but irrespective of what is right or wrong, that's the way it is.

What about his family? I don't agree with what he did in terms of his marriage, that's my personal view - I believe in fidelity. I also don't agree with the way he appears to be revelling in the media and has been so cavalier about revealing all the gory details. If it were me, I would not have gone to court for fear of damaging the family further. I would quieten things down, not open them up for the world to see and why, if he was so keen on keeping things private would he volunteer far, far more intimate information?? Does this really sound like someone who cares deeply about his privacy or is it the N word that is getting to him and he will sacrifice anything to clear his name?

What about his job? As I have said before I believe someone in an influential position, globally should have good standing. I do not believe that Max's exploits place him in good standing. It raises questions about his integrity and judgement and some people (like it or not) will not feel happy with what he has done (not necessarily the sexual aspects, but his behaviour and performance - aggressiveness, bending the truth) - these may be heads of state, commercial executives, whatever. Again you may not like this, but that's the way it is.

His political past? Well so what if it was when he was young - how do you know what he really believes? Do you honestly think that his S&M romp had no fascist overtones? German accents carrying more authority??? Come on!

What about his performance in the court-room? I believe it was stage managed, I also do not believe he was being entirely truthful. You keep bashing on about him being vindicated and that there was no evidence of Nazi behaviour/prostitution. Well Cav wake up! If you can't see through this then you are even more naieve than I thought you were. He was under oath and perjury is a crime.

You keep saying "people like me". Well "people like me" are not in the minority as you feel, nor are we in the majority. It does not make "us" wrong, nor does it make you right. I'm very happy being a "person like me". At least I am not idealistic or naieve.

I agree with the majority of this post. Frorm my reading of the press of this case, some things still don't quite add up;

- the use of the words 'Aryan race' in the video

- The deleted emails

- the witness, who set up the sting, not able/willing to testify

- Prostitutes testifying for the client when they were part of the sting

I think there is definitely more to this case than meets the eye. Max has proved that his is a formidable foe and demonstrated immense power.

[Max Mosley 2]

Well, so much has been posted here I haven't managed to read it all. But I more or less agree with Cav.

Max was reckless (and quite possibly immoral) to use prostitutes, yes, and certainly careless to get caught doing so. And his credibility will be weakened in some people's eyes. Nevertheless I don't think it will have a massive impact on his professional performance, and in any case I care more about the principles than I do about F1. Prudery needs to be tackled; judgmental people need to be confronted; and the media's nonsense needs to be dealt with, and this case seems a good place to start.

What are you talking about? Such statements reek of bigotry you lewisteric, echolalia clown! Most posters around here are pretty friendly aren't they? Hilarious. You funny man. Thanks for making me laugh.

No. Thank you, Jez!

I felt that way a long time ago, for obvious reasons, now I am de-sensitised to it all. I treat the media like I would radiation - I try to control the amount of exposure I have

Radiation? Perhaps I should have called you Mr. Lights-up-in-the-dark-y. EDIT: Or Mr. 4-balls?

I have'nt bothered to read the thread, could'nt care less... but whats this..."reek of bigotry you lewisteric, echolalia clown" all wrapped into one sentence... what an achievement...

Very good!

This is disgusting media sensationalism again. The school is not close to me at all, it's at least 500 yards away.

somehow i feel more disgusted for the neighbors watching it four times and filming it than by the man with relationship problems raping the poor table.

Yeah. You know what neighbours are like. They're all so nosy they are practically all perverts.

Aw come on! I have you on tape! Stop lying! It's just like it was with Muzza and that eggplant which I also happen to have taped

Yeah but I'm not worried in the slightest. You'll never turn that one over to the police because you enjoy it so much.

[mikathegreat2 2]

Ah another thread to go off topic the minute pablo & murray get here!

[Max Mosley 2]

[Oli 1]

Max was reckless (and quite possibly immoral) to use prostitutes, yes, and certainly careless to get caught doing so. And his credibility will be weakened in some people's eyes. Nevertheless I don't think it will have a massive impact on his professional performance, and in any case I care more about the principles than I do about F1. Prudery needs to be tackled; judgmental people need to be confronted; and the media's nonsense needs to be dealt with, and this case seems a good place to start.

I have a lot of sympathy for that view, although of course I think it's wrong . I agree that it is questionable how much of an impact it will have on his job, but one thing that occurs to me in light of today's news is that these court cases may be a distraction from his job, in the same way they would be to any job. I understand that you may feel that him resigning may send a message that the NOTW was right to do what it did, but I think he could and should have chosen between his duties as head of the FIA and his personal desire to clear his name. The latter could have been achieved whether or not he stayed on as FIA chief.

I guess the difference between me and you is that I care more about F1 than the principle at stake! I think the gradual liberalisation of society is something which happens inevitably, and I don't think making Max a sacred cow is going to have any appreciable affect on my views or anyone else's. The NOTW will carry on selling its papers because people want to read them. And I include myself in this group- I'm not going to be a hypocrite and claim I wasn't quite amused and entertained by the story, especially when the MI5 link was revealed. And I genuinely can't see how Max staying on will change that- no matter how many libel actions he wins, the NOTW will continue to push the limits until either 1) society reaches the point where it no longer finds the story salacious or 2) the law is changed to protect the individual from the media.

I don't see either of those happening as a direct or indirect result of Max staying in his job. I want an FIA president who is effective in his job. Ergo I would have liked it had he resigned, for the good of the sport.

[pabloh20 1]

Radiation? Perhaps I should have called you Mr. Lights-up-in-the-dark-y. EDIT: Or Mr. 4-balls?

'Mr. 4-ball foreplay' has a nice ring to it

[LabradoRacer 2]

Max should use those 60k pounds for safety measures. Starting with himself.

[Kopite Girl 0]

I don't give a flying feck if he p**sed in the icebox at McDonalds, this case was all about privacy - and he won. I think that should say it all really.

[Max Mosley 2]

I have a lot of sympathy for that view

Wait. Let me just re-think it then. Surely I haven't gone wrong somewhere...

'Mr. 4-ball foreplay' has a nice ring to it

Well, I'll be damned if I ever admit to liking 4-ball foreplay...

I don't give a flying feck if he p**sed in the icebox at McDonalds, this case was all about privacy - and he won. I think that should say it all really.

Yup!

as a Christian leader, I am deeply sad that public morality is the second victim of this legal judgement.

Unspeakable and indecent behaviour, whether in public or in private, is no longer significant under this ruling.

Source: BBC.

What a load of utter nonsense. This is why no-one takes Christianity seriously any more.