How Formula 1 Medals Would Have Radically Changed The Champions List

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Formula One Medals Would Have Radically Changed Champions List

Further to the proposal for medals to replace points in the FIA Formula One World Championship, the FIA has conducted an analysis of how the proposed system would have altered the results of previous seasons.

Under the medals system, it is proposed that the top three drivers in each race would win gold, silver and bronze medals.

At the end of the season the driver with the most gold medals would win the championship. If two or more drivers have the same number of golds then the silver medals would come into account and so on.

The FIA's analysis shows that the medal system would change the outcomes of past World Championships considerably.

Only 22 of the 59 World Championships to date would have the same top 3. The other 37 World Championships would be different. The World Champion would be altered on 13 occasions.

The medal system would create three "new" World Champions who did not win the title using the various points systems.

The overall effect would be to reduce the number of World Champions, concentrating the titles in a smaller group.The results that would change are largely before 1990. The last 20 years would be largely unchanged.In the overall assessment the list of World Championships per driver would be altered as follows:

1958 Stirling Moss instead of Mike Hawthorn

1964 Jim Clark instead of John Surtees

1967 Jim Clark instead of Denny Hulme

1977 Mario Andretti instead of Niki Lauda

1979 Alan Jones instead of Jody Scheckter

1981 Alain Prost instead of Nelson Piquet

1982 Didier Pironi instead of Keke Rosberg

1983 Alain Prost instead of Nelson Piquet

1984 Alain Prost instead of Niki Lauda

1986 Nigel Mansell instead of Alain Prost

1987 Nigel Mansell instead of Nelson Piquet

1989 Ayrton Senna instead of Alain Prost

2008 Felipe Massa instead of Lewis Hamilton

Michael Schumacher 7 1994 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004

Juan Manuel Fangio 5 1951 1954 1955 1956 1957

Alain Prost 5 1981 1983 1984 1985 1993

Jim Clark 4 1963 1964 1965 1967

Ayrton Senna 4 1988 1989 1990 1991

Jack Brabham 3 1959 1960 1966

Jackie Stewart 3 1969 1971 1973

Nigel Mansell 3 1986 1987 1992

Instead of the existing totals:

Michael Schumacher 7 1994 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004

Juan Manuel Fangio 5 1951 1954 1955 1956

Alain Prost 4 1985 1986 1989 1993

Jack Brabham 3 1959 1960 1966

Jackie Stewart 3 1969 1971 1973

Niki Lauda 3 1975 1977 1984

Nelson Piquet 3 1981 1983 1987

Ayrton Senna 3 1988 1990 1991

Key notional changes to be noted:Brabham under the ownership of Bernie Ecclestone would have won no Drivers' Championships.

Stirling Moss would have been the first British World Champion.

Jim Clark would have won four titles, rather than two. He would have won three consecutive titles in 1963-64-65.

Mario Andretti and Alan Jones would each have won two titles instead of one.

Niki Lauda would have lost two of his three championships and would have just one title to his name.

It should be noted, however, that the 1977 result is skewed by the fact that Lauda left Ferrari as soon as he had won the title and did not compete in the final races. If the scoring system had been different the result would almost certainly not have favoured Andretti.

Nelson Piquet would have lost all three of his World Championships.

All four World Champions between 1981-1984 would have been different.

Alain Prost would have won five World Championships but they would be different to the four that he actually claimed. His titles were won in 1985, 1986, 1989 and 1993. With the medal system they would have been 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1993. He would have won three consecutive titles in 1983-85.

Nigel Mansell would have won three World Championships instead of one, adding to 1986 and 1987 to his 1992 triumph.

Ayrton Senna would have won the 1989 title and thus would have had four consecutive titles between 1988 and 1991.The duration of the World Championship battles

The duration of the World Championship battle would have been altered in 22 of the 59 seasons. The medal system would have had no effect in

37 of the 59 World Championships.

Fourteen World Championship battles would have been shorter (1955, 1970, 1978, 1987, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001,

2003 and 2004).

Eight World Championship battles would have lasted longer (1973, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1990, 1991, 2001 and 2005).

In terms of World Championship final race showdowns, there would have been five lost (1955, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2000) but six gained (1977, 1979, 1980, 1990, 1991 and 2005).

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[Schumikonen 2]

This is good, anyway Prost is beating Senna showing that he was better than Senna no matter how you look at it and Schumi is the greatest af all time and Massa would be the actual champion, I support the medal system even more now that I know this.

[mikathegreat2 2]

Clearly DOF has no life, lol, either that or he has lots of spare time!

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^ Just copy pasted it from paddocktalk.

[Insider 0]

Nice work DOF

[Quiet One 15]

It is very interesting.

It should also be noted the most important objection to that "what if..." list: Most drivers would have acted differently than they did if the medals system was in effect in their championships.

So, although it makes for interesting maths, it is ultimately irrelevant.

[Rainmaster 7]

It is very interesting.

It should also be noted the most important objection to that "what if..." list: Most drivers would have acted differently than they did if the medals system was in effect in their championships.

So, although it makes for interesting maths, it is ultimately irrelevant.

Yes.

[The Rumble Strip 0]

Totally.

The points system in place at the time is what it is.

Why bother, trying to alter history.

[Jean Todt 4]

It is very interesting.

It should also be noted the most important objection to that "what if..." list: Most drivers would have acted differently than they did if the medals system was in effect in their championships.

So, although it makes for interesting maths, it is ultimately irrelevant.

Yes!

[The Rumble Strip 0]

Anyway, my mate Nigel won have won three titles.

Maybe we should rewrite history then.

[Jez 0]

Interesting. But the medal idea still sucks.

[The Rumble Strip 0]

Indeed.

[Max Mosley 2]

I'm gonna be honest with you all and say that I like the scheme. And if I think it's a good idea then...

[Medilloni 6]

I'm gonna be honest with you all and say that I like the scheme. And if I think it's a good idea then...

....we're all fookered. This will cause the drivers to drive faster and take further risks, adding to global temperature 'change' on two counts - one being the added speed, and two being the need to provide more parts for the ones that get broken as the drivers take uneccessary risks (all the drivers should be the same spec anyway). Indeed, South Yorkshire will be pouring white smoke into the atmosphere again, whilst churning these replacement parts out before you can say 'spec series'. Goldfish will die of dizziness, rare frogs will be denied the right to cross the road at Chipping Sodtherest and Drib's booby avatar will cease to bounce. Dammit!

[hookedon-f1 0]

....we're all fookered. This will cause the drivers to drive faster and take further risks, adding to global temperature 'change' on two counts - one being the added speed, and two being the need to provide more parts for the ones that get broken as the drivers take uneccessary risks (all the drivers should be the same spec anyway). Indeed, South Yorkshire will be pouring white smoke into the atmosphere again, whilst churning these replacement parts out before you can say 'spec series'. Goldfish will die of dizziness, rare frogs will be denied the right to cross the road at Chipping Sodtherest and Drib's booby avatar will cease to bounce. Dammit!

[DOF_power 0]

I'm gonna be honest with you all and say that I like the scheme. And if I think it's a good idea then...

So you agree with the always the fastest car wins system ?!

Cause that's the only way to describe it.

For example, Prost won with and inferior by speed car because he won only when the dominant Williams Hondas had technical issues.

So you're just another double standard brit.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

So you're just another double standard brit.

Who are the other "double standard brits" 'round here then if he is "another" one....????

[DriftingGuy 0]

For me whether its the points system or the medal system, its all meaningless. What counts for me is how a driver can surmount the odds and win in a car that is not up to the job, on a race by race basis. Alonso's drive in Japan last year was magnificent. Every win Hamilton or Massa had in 2008 pales in comparison to Alonso's victory in Fuji. In fact, Alonso in 2005 and 2006 was pretty much the best of F1 I've seen in a very long time. That defensive drive at Imola in 2005 against all odds, holding back Schumacher in a much faster Ferrari demonstrated shear brilliance at work. It reminded me of Gilles Villeneuve in Spain 1981. The tenacity, the grit, the determination of Alonso's driving matched with his sharpened sense of race tactics and overall strategy not to mention shear speed, can only imply one thing, he is the best !!!!!

[Medilloni 6]

Who are the other "double standard brits" 'round here then if he is "another" one....????

Don't be offended old chap, it's probably a harmless sweeping generalisation. He's possibly taking his frustration out on the latest technical regs, and the lack of masturbatory tech therein.

After all, we could have been of such double standards that whilst we might be well known to bleat on (and on, and on...) that drivers shouldn't even get in the way of this technical uberfest, it would be a super idea to start a thread about the incentives for them.

Medal idea? Pathetic. Dreamt up by someone that's lost touch with reality, and his bowels.

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Who are the other "double standard brits" 'round here then if he is "another" one....????

Every brit out there who watches F1 for the sakes of Hamilton (and/or Mansell/Hill before) when they should (or shouldn't) be watching for the sakes of good racing, technological innovation, transfer of technology to production cars, who complained that Piquet/Senna/Prost/Schumacher/Alonso cheated/was unfair (to their beloved) but somehow see their object of @$* k*$$*** adoration as an innocent saint.

That's who I'm talking about.

Not that double standards insane driver worshiping is restricted to brits by any means.

[Quiet One 15]

[pabloh20 1]

You know, just looking at your sig pic, will the Renault call their 'push to pass' button 'Supersize me' ??

[Quiet One 15]

You know, just looking at your sig pic, will the Renault call their 'push to pass' button 'Supersize me' ??

[The Rumble Strip 0]

Phew, that lets me out of being double standard then, just.

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^ I haven't got anything against true race-fans or nationalities in particular, just against driver worshipers regardless of nation/religious beliefs or lack of/race/gender/sexual orientation.