Alan333 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I can see why the FIA is desirous of the WDC being decided on wins, but is there anything in the rules to stop a team building a one race engine and thereby winning half the races. If they then just blow up the next race at least they have a near certain win under their belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I can see why the FIA is desirous of the WDC being decided on wins, but is there anything in the rules to stop a team building a one race engine and thereby winning half the races. If they then just blow up the next race at least they have a near certain win under their belt. It is one of the concerns. But I was expecting such a thing last year and it didn't happen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Yet another driver voices his disappointment: From BBC website: World champion Lewis Hamilton has criticised the rule changes introduced into Formula 1 this week. Governing body the FIA changed the points system to award the world title to the driver with most wins and wants to instigate huge costs cuts in 2010. "It's a shame what's happening to F1," the McLaren driver said. "It's hard to believe these recent decisions will improve things for the trackside spectators and TV viewers, who should always be our priority." Hamilton said the FIA should pay more attention to the wishes of the teams, who for the first time in the history of F1 are presenting a united front in trying to change the sport for the better. The FIA's vision for the future of F1 is at odds with that of the teams. Hamilton, speaking in a statement issued by McLaren, added: "Whatever the points system, I know that all F1 drivers will always race our hearts out. The teams, drivers, sponsors and fans are all working together for the good of our sport - now we just need the governing bodies to listen to us and help us "F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and that's what we all love about it; we should all be working together to maintain that." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Well said for Hamilton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Mosley 2 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 It is one of the concerns.But I was expecting such a thing last year and it didn't happen... Is it a concern? It would certainly make the races more unpredictable, and every team has the same option. In other news, are all these drivers expressing their own opinions, or the ones their teams have told them to express? Mark Webber was more open to the wins idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Mark Webber was more open to the wins idea. I read Mark's views but didn't bother posting them here as its useless - all he said was 'it could be good or it could be bad!' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Mosley 2 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Yup. Like a lot of likeable folk do, he's just sitting on the fence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan333 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Ok so none of the scenarios that we are saying could happen are actually likely to occur, but why the constant need to tinker with a series that most years goes down to the wire? The FIAs other two top championships, namely Moto GP and the WRC are nowhere nere as competitive as F1 and yet the level of FIA interferance in these is so much less. It is generally agreed that the last points change was introduced to try to stop MS dominance and yet it is possible that Seb Loeb could win every rally this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Ok so none of the scenarios that we are saying could happen are actually likely to occur, but why the constant need to tinker with a series that most years goes down to the wire? The FIAs other two top championships, namely Moto GP and the WRC are nowhere nere as competitive as F1 and yet the level of FIA interferance in these is so much less. It is generally agreed that the last points change was introduced to try to stop MS dominance and yet it is possible that Seb Loeb could win every rally this year. Exactly, there's no need to meddle as the racing these last few years has been fine - we've all (generally) loved the last few years, the last 'boring' season was 2004 and thats only cos Ferrari produced a beauty and only BAR could come close, sometimes. Which makes me feel there must be some horrible secret other reason for this stupid rule change which none of us will ever know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Is it a concern? It would certainly make the races more unpredictable, and every team has the same option. Unpredictable, sure. But what kind of race would it be if some of the front runners quit out of a race because they didn't qualify well and had no chance of winning... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Mosley 2 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Yes but isn't it already illegal to do that after BAR tried it a few years ago. It certainly goes against the catch-all 'spirit of the sporting contest' rules Max has to protect fans like us in case the teams try to rob us of even more excitement than they usually do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monza gorilla 1 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 FOTA statement. Could get interesting from here on in. Following the decision of the World Motorsport Council of the 17 March 2009 to change the way the drivers’ championship is awarded, the Teams gathered and unanimously agreed to question the validity of this decision. FOTA had made a proposal that was carefully based on the results of a Global Audience Survey, which allowed listening to preferences of the public, and all the Teams firmly believe that these indications should be properly taken into account. The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship. Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I have always doubted the validity of this change and I said so back in the thread. If that sounds conceited, it isn't meant to be - I simply want to make the point that the FIA are too full of their own importance and require neutering. Take the jackboots off Max and go home! Full report from ITV: The Formula One Teams' Association says the FIA's decision to change the scoring system for 2009 is invalid and cannot be enforced. FOTA - which proposed an alternative points system but saw it rejected by the FIA World Motor Sport Council - claims that Formula 1 regulations do not allow such a change so close to the season unless all the teams are in agreement. "Following the decision of the World Motorsport Council of the 17 March 2009 to change the way the drivers’ championship is awarded, the Teams gathered and unanimously agreed to question the validity of this decision," said a FOTA statement. "The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the World Motorsport Council was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of the article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula 1 Championship." The regulation in question says that changes to the sporting regulations have to be "published at least 20 days prior to the opening date for entry applications for the championship concerned" unless "the unanimous agreement of all competitors properly entered for the championship or series concerned is obtained." The teams body says it is willing to work with the FIA to implement a new system for 2010, but insists that the 'winner takes all' proposal cannot legally be imposed at this stage. "Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the Teams and proposed to FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009, and the Teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 Sport," said FOTA. It added that its own suggestion that the top eight scoring system be amended to a 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 points distribution had the backing of the fans surveyed by FOTA when it was devising its 'roadmap' for F1's future. "FOTA had made a proposal that was carefully based on the results of a Global Audience Survey, which allowed listening to preferences of the public, and all the Teams firmly believe that these indications should be properly taken into account." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikathegreat2 2 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 http://img.e-metro.ie/e-edition-ie/A15hz1/...ie%2Fe-metro-ie Saw this in the free Metro newspaper today, spot on Schumi! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monza gorilla 1 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 The FIA have now backtracked and say they will defer the new points palaver until 2010. Hopefully that means we've seen the last of it. Maybe FOTA has teeth after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaky2 1 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Yay! Good news Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Max must resign. I insist. Bernie needs to keep his snout out of team business too. He can stay as long as he stops jinxing Jens! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan333 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 WTF are the FIA playing at, with just over a week to go to the start of the season they try to introduce a new system only to perform the quickest u-turn in history. If ever there was a demonstration of ineptitude this is it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 WTF are the FIA playing at, with just over a week to go to the start of the season they try to introduce a new system only to perform the quickest u-turn in history. If ever there was a demonstration of ineptitude this is it. Indeed. So, not only was it a pretty poor decision, it was also deviating from the FIA's own rulebook. It would seem that they make the rules but don't know them, that is unless they were just trying it on. Either way, not exactly confidence inspiring. Hopefully, that rule change will be quietly forgotten before 2010 comes along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I'm so pleased that the FIA has been tripped up by its own rules... What a bunch of tossers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Strangely, going back to the points system has made the WDC less unpredictable... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandyNZL 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2009 FIA statement from the www.formula1.com website: Formula One racing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2009 FIA statement from the www.formula1.com website:Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has said it is willing to postpone the planned introduction of a new points system until 2010 if the teams are unhappy with making the change for the 2009 season. The new system, which would see the driver with the most wins (rather than points) crowned champion, was announced on Tuesday by the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council, after it rejected an alternative proposal for a revised points structure from the teams. The teams have since expressed their belief that the rules could not be changed so soon prior to the start of the season without their unanimous agreement and on Friday the FIA offered to defer the plan. The full statement from the FIA: “On 17 March, the FIA World Motor Sport Council unanimously rejected FOTA’s proposed amendment to the points system for the Formula One Drivers’ Championship. The ‘winner takes all’ proposal made by the commercial rights holder (who had been told that the teams were in favour) was then approved. “If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010.” And what, exactly, makes them think that they will agree to do this in 2010? The FIA was wrong to consider a proposal by the commercial rights holder of F1, who has no standing in such matters and that is the nub of it. Bernie cannot be involved in racing rules and regulations. He may make informal suggestions to teams and the FIA but his proposal should have never been considered. The statement also says, the FIA rejected FOTA's proposal. On the 17th March, they hadn't even received it and Max issued a statement, stating they could wait no longer! It will never be mentioned again, Handy, believe me. Did the FIA try to implement it in any other competition? No. Just another one of Bernie's stupid ideas gone west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2009 Just another one of Bernie's stupid ideas gone west. Was it stupid? It's made headlines even in regular newspapers... and right when the season is about to start... Beat that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
