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Well the new season gets under way in approx 40 some odd hours and I'm starting to get cranked up to what this season will bring. Looks like politics are already involved, I'm not sure on this KERs crap, I mean WTF! next you know they'll be plugged into the elec grid before a race charging the lith-ion batteries and hooking up an I-pod for fake engine sounds.

I'm going to use this thread over the season to voice my thoughts and opinions of the shenanigans of the upcoming season.

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The more I think about it, I believe KERS may be very exciting!

The leading driver won't know how much boost the driver behind is carrying and it could prove deciding in many occasions!

KERS management by the drivers will be something to see as well!

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The more I think about it, I believe KERS may be very exciting!

The leading driver won't know how much boost the driver behind is carrying and it could prove deciding in many occasions!

KERS management by the drivers will be something to see as well!

Well a great many people ridiculed the now defunct CART series for its "Push to pass system" and it was dones for mere pennies compared to this multi million dollar system(of course it helped that the CART engines were turbos, but that's a whole other issue)

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Not as such. They simply turned the boost up, but ran the risk of detonating the engine. I think the CART system was more regulated. Formula Palmer Audi also use a push to pass system which turns the wick up for a prescribed amount of time. With KERS it's supposedly a case of getting something for nothing, but unless you're using a flywheel system that ain't the case. I'm not including R&D in this, but I would imagine that those with a battery system will be replacing said batteries for every race. How eco friendly is that, Max? I look forward to barbecued BMW mechanics very soon.

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Not as such. They simply turned the boost up, but ran the risk of detonating the engine. I think the CART system was more regulated. Formula Palmer Audi also use a push to pass system which turns the wick up for a prescribed amount of time. With KERS it's supposedly a case of getting something for nothing, but unless you're using a flywheel system that ain't the case. I'm not including R&D in this, but I would imagine that those with a battery system will be replacing said batteries for every race. How eco friendly is that, Max? I look forward to barbecued BMW mechanics very soon.

Indeed, having to use rubber gloves will be a test. My friends that work for the electric company have their gloves checked all of the time, one only needs one small breach and it's lights out!

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The more I think about it, I believe KERS may be very exciting!

The leading driver won't know how much boost the driver behind is carrying and it could prove deciding in many occasions!

KERS management by the drivers will be something to see as well!

I agree. It would have been better if KERS had been less restricted this season. I'm not sure how big a difference it will make as a result, but still, it's a nice idea. Also we really need tracks with several overtaking places per lap, so that the driver in front doesn't know when his pursuer will use KERS - this wouldn't have been needed if you were allowed to store energy over several laps.

Well a great many people ridiculed the now defunct CART series for its "Push to pass system" and it was dones for mere pennies compared to this multi million dollar system(of course it helped that the CART engines were turbos, but that's a whole other issue)

People want F1 to be more 'innovative' than CART, though. Personally I think that's a load of BS. What's your take on motor racing innovation, Bruce?

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Yeah, I remember Palmer Audi having something reasonably similar.

Don't really know how successful that was, in terms of seeing increased overtaking.

I'll reserve judgement until I see it. Maybe it'll just make no difference at all.

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I think it's easier to damn the changes rather than harness them. Indeed, the cars look silly different and there are any things we would all rather see instead. But you know, I'm going to sit on the fence until we see what kind of show it produces. F1 is complicated now, so there are no easy solutions. A bit like the world as a whole, really.

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I agree with Dribs.

There are some problems with this KERS bollocks though. From autosport: "Thus, given the high profile of KERS, whether by design or the occasional accident, over the past months and its status as a technological pathfinder, is it not unfathomable that punters

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I agree with Dribs.

There are some problems with this KERS bollocks though. From autosport: "Thus, given the high profile of KERS, whether by design or the occasional accident, over the past months and its status as a technological pathfinder, is it not unfathomable that punters

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I agree, I think transparency about who is using KERS and when would be better for everybody.

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I think it's easier to damn the changes rather than harness them. Indeed, the cars look silly different and there are any things we would all rather see instead. But you know, I'm going to sit on the fence until we see what kind of show it produces. F1 is complicated now, so there are no easy solutions. A bit like the world as a whole, really.

Yup. Spot on.

There are some problems with this KERS bollocks though. From autosport: "Thus, given the high profile of KERS, whether by design or the occasional accident, over the past months and its status as a technological pathfinder, is it not unfathomable that punters – whether sat in stands or before screens – will have no earthly idea of who is running which KERS system when and where when new-look F1 kicks off on Friday. And, come Sunday, when it really counts, they will still be in the dark!

Yup. Have no doubt it will be 'unfathomable' to the average punter. Still, innovation was always thus, and they seem happy.

In other news, I can't wait to see what fun Jay has with the word 'KERSed'.

I reckon a team should be willing to give credit to those responsible for the development of their KERS unit should it be responsible for getting them on pole or winning them a race. Screw the drivers ego! Then again, not all KERS units will be built in-house...

Yes. They should definitely have to disclose this, if they're willing to disclose fuel loads etc. Perhaps they could give live information as to when a driver is using the saved energy too, via a light on the car or a graphic on our screens... By the way, I think virtually none of the KERS units are developed entirely in-house, except perhaps where a team has bought up a smaller specialist firm?

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People want F1 to be more 'innovative' than CART, though. Personally I think that's a load of BS. What's your take on motor racing innovation, Bruce?

I'm all for it myself. See that's the problem with you ferners you have know idea how innovative CART was, and how much that F1 is nipping from that defunct series. Kers/push to pass, having to run two different compounds of tires per race and the lack of funky little greebles on the body work all done by CART before F1.

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I'm reserving judgement on KERS. A "wait and see" approach seems best. Perhaps it'll revolutionize the sport, perhaps it'll turn out to be a farce. We shall see.

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I'm all for it myself. See that's the problem with you ferners you have know idea how innovative CART was, and how much that F1 is nipping from that defunct series. Kers/push to pass, having to run two different compounds of tires per race and the lack of funky little greebles on the body work all done by CART before F1.

Sad but true! Don't forget safety cars

What next? Rolling starts? and driver punch-ups in the pit-lane? :D

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I'm all for it myself. See that's the problem with you ferners you have know idea how innovative CART was, and how much that F1 is nipping from that defunct series. Kers/push to pass, having to run two different compounds of tires per race and the lack of funky little greebles on the body work all done by CART before F1.

:lol:

Fair points, all. I used to watch CART you know. Back in the Blundell, Dario Franchitti, JPM years. That Rockingham race with Kenny Brack and Gil de Ferran was so

. I still like American racing - it's much better run as a sport than F1 is, despite Max.
Sad but true! Don't forget safety cars

What next? Rolling starts? and driver punch-ups in the pit-lane? :D

Women inside the cars? No wait that was Champcars. Anyway, seems a waste.

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The more I think about it, I believe KERS may be very exciting!

The leading driver won't know how much boost the driver behind is carrying and it could prove deciding in many occasions!

KERS management by the drivers will be something to see as well!

Hmm. I fear that instead of seeing brilliant passing moves, instead they will just be able to use KERS to breeze past the guy in front.

Can anyone tell me, how many times can they use a boost during a race? This isnt a test, its a genuine question!

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Congrats to Button, congrats to Brawn and boo to Kubica, what the hell were you thinking boy??

The difuser flap is just that as evidenced by the the cars that ran good without said questionable one.

Ferrari is doing like normal since the Schumi and Brawn left.

A lot of what I saw though looked the same, just different players.

Nice to see slicks again and tire management to some degree, again Kubica WTF were you thinking you stupid.................

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