Force India Blew It!!!! The Teams Mistake Cost Them The Win.

[Negative Ions 0]

Kimi and Fisi came in for the last pit stop together, Force India knew they were quicker, and also they could see Kimi re-fueling. If they had timed Kimi's re-fueling and put an extra lap in to Fisi's car they would have won the GP. Thats what a top team would have done. Kimi left the pit just as Fisi came in so they had time...

[raw 0]

Kimi and Fisi came in for the last pit stop together, Force India knew they were quicker, and also they could see Kimi re-fueling. If they had timed Kimi's re-fueling and put an extra lap in to Fisi's car they would have won the GP. Thats what a top team would have done. Kimi left the pit just as Fisi came in so they had time...

1 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 14 14:33:12 25.922 25.922 1 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 14 14:33:14 25.144 25.144

Yes they've had about 2 seconds to do that.

Edited August 31, 2009 by raw

[Negative Ions 0]

Fisi entered the pits 2 seconds after Raikkonen, but he had to drive the whole length of the pit lane first you fool... Fisi was ENTERING his pit area as Kimi was LEAVING his...

[Negative Ions 0]

Plus youre looking at the first pit stop summary, not that it makes a difference because both were very similar, but by the second Force India knew they had a faster car. Its basic F1 strategy...

[Schumikonen 2]

I think they didn't have enough time to react, I don't think this is something that you can change while the pit stop is actually happen IMO they did the best they can do and they had a great result and a great achivement.

[dribbler 6]

I went out with a girl who apparently would sleep with men on the first date. I wasn't aware of that at the time but we still had fun. We did it on the second date, in Italy. Man, she was fast. People were saying "Why didn't you nail her before?" "Stupid twats", I thought.

[raw 0]

Plus youre looking at the first pit stop summary, not that it makes a difference because both were very similar, but by the second Force India knew they had a faster car. Its basic F1 strategy...

You suggest they should've put more fuel to Fisichella's car in the second pit stop and you're calling me a fool!?

[aussief1 4]

Funny thread this one!!!!

[whiskee 0]

Not sure what you're trying to say.

The only way FI could have won the race woulda been to fuel Fisi longer in the first pit stop and hope he could keep up with Kimi on a little heavier car, then keep driving for a coupla laps longer and pass...

[Persevere 0]

Kimi and Fisi came in for the last pit stop together, Force India knew they were quicker, and also they could see Kimi re-fueling. If they had timed Kimi's re-fueling and put an extra lap in to Fisi's car they would have won the GP. Thats what a top team would have done. Kimi left the pit just as Fisi came in so they had time...

I appreciate your sentiment and can see where you're coming from but I feel that you judge them too harshly. Note your own phrase: "That's what a top team would have done." They are a team on a relatively small budget that has languished near the bottom from their inception. If, for example, Ferrari or McLaren had erred in quick and smart pit work then we could d**n them after the flag had fallen. Let's see what little David can do against Goliath at Monza.

[Rainmaster 7]

Even if Fisi had got ahead by a small margin, the KERS probably would have come into play again

[Argento Reloaded 1]

Weel, if Force India is a bunch of stupid people what can we say about the other 8 teams behind?

[Max Mosley 2]

Negative Ions makes a good point, though I don't agree with some of the details. Force India had the faster car and if they could have done a slightly longer middle stint then they'd have had a great chance to win. Perhaps the strategists at Force India knew something we don't, or perhaps they were just unlucky, but pitting on the same lap as Kimi was a strategic disaster for them. Alternatively, perhaps Fisi could have done a bit more to save fuel.

[Negative Ions 0]

Sorry Im an idiot, of course it should have been the first stop!

Fisi was that much faster than Kimi that if hed been fueled an extra 2 laps at the first stop he would have won the race, Kimi would not have been able to get close enough to use the KERS after that and would have got left behind.

It doesnt matter that they are a small team with a small budget, they stuffed it imo.

[yurp 0]

Funny thread this one!!!!

yeppers

[cavallino 2]

I think dribs said exactly this, but..

Either, Spa wasn't a fluke, and they will have more chances for wins. In that case, getting a second place isn't a bad start at all.

Or, this was a once in a long time thing. In which case, it's smart of them to play safe, especially after how Kimi screwed them over the last two times they had a car in the points. Better a second place in hand than..

[jackgarrett 0]

Kimi and Fisi came in for the last pit stop together, Force India knew they were quicker, and also they could see Kimi re-fueling. If they had timed Kimi's re-fueling and put an extra lap in to Fisi's car they would have won the GP. Thats what a top team would have done. Kimi left the pit just as Fisi came in so they had time...

You could of posted this when kimi was leaving the pits and before fisi entered them.

Any how even if he did pass him in the pits kimi could of just used kers to overtake.

[Negative Ions 0]

Read post #14, I cant understand you.

[kuskor 0]

According to published fuel loads, Fisi was fueled for 12 laps and kimifor 14. They both came in in the end of lap 14 meaning Fisi wasprobably saving fuel. Had he been able to pit a lap later, it wouldhave been easier for FI to calculate their strategy and give fisi a 2-3lap window of clean road before the second pit stop.

In the end it was guesswork and while we don't know what goes onbehind the scenes at FI the pits came for both drivers at lap 14 and 30meaning they probably made no attempt to vary their strategy to givefisi a chance for the win. During the first stop kimi was fueled justbefore when Fisi started receiving fuel, I guess in theory FI had about3-4 seconds on their hands to adjust their load while the refueling wasalready on, kimi was cruising down the pitlane. Definately not enoughtime unless you are ready for it. Other scenarios would be saving fuelin the first stint but pitting as expected around lap 12-13 with maybea lap or two in reserve and go for a relatively long middle stint, mosttimes though that will put you into traffic.

It's hard to say how much faster Fisi was. During the race kimi and Fisi seemed to be in a race of their own but in the end Vettelfinished just 2.9 sec behind Fisi, so maybe a strategy gamble goingwrong would have been costly. A top team burning for more points wouldhave probably taken the gamble and gone for the win, a team in need ofa result needs to keep it safe which is what they did and in the endthey were rewarded.

Edited September 1, 2009 by kuskor

[kuskor 0]

*doublepost*

Edited September 1, 2009 by kuskor

[Jean Todt 4]

Thread is the action of a negative ion, all it needs is a positive ion.

FI is a young team. It doesnt have many people in its team who have wona race, even if they did, they may not have been on the top position toexecute orders for the pit. Funny, that FIFI won his first race forthis same team when it was Jordan..

Almostall teams this season have made pit blunders..only a guy who hates ateam to the core and someone who cannot stand and face the fact that aTeam used to be seen finishing dead last suddenly almost won a racewould start stupid threads like these....

[yurp 0]

to review and extend...

IF fuel pumps weren't set considerably more than 2 seconds before the car arrives

and IF kimi's fuel load had have been known more than 2 seconds before they started fueling fisi

and IF they had managed to calculate and set a new fuel load in those 2 seconds

and IF extra fuel didn't weigh anything and so potentially slow fisi down

and IF kimi didn't have KERS

then yes Force India blew it - numpties

[Jean Todt 4]

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali has highlighted fueleconomy as an aspect of its performance the Maranello squad needs toimprove, after it was shown up on that score by Force India lastweekend.

Kimi Raikkonen delivered the Scuderia

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Total non-issue IMHO. FI were delighted with 2nd and is, to be honest impressive. Ferrari with KERS would always have passed Fisi.

Move on

[Quiet One 15]

Total non-issue IMHO. FI were delighted with 2nd and is, to be honest impressive. Ferrari with KERS would always have passed Fisi.

Move on

Those guys at Force India tsk, tsk! Thank god we know better!