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Dof, Dof, Dof...you have missed the point of the previous 371 posts before you....we have all proved without doubt that you win 7 WDC's and 91 races by having crap teammates. :dam:

Genius!

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That sounds like a good challenge for us.....who's up for trying?

If you start one, I'll reply quite often. We could take 200 pages each.

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He is getting better, but still been beaten by Rosberg...

The fact is that he has been overrated all these years.

(by definition, overrating is when someone thinks he is better than he actually is. And the fact is that the fame he created led everyone to believe he would be doing better than he is now... including himself)

The fact that everyone though he would do great means he is overrated, BY DEFINITION. There is no way around it.

Do some dumbass fanboys think Hill was actually good or Senna anywhere near as an all-rounder as Schu ?!

Never liked Senna, but to put MS in the same league as him is illarious...

Stop this nonsense, you don't win 7 WDCs and 91 races by being crap or merely average.

On the other hand, you dont win 7 WDC by not having the best car for most of your career...

And the task becomes even easier when you never have to face a real teammate, like Senna, Hamilton, Prost and others did...

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He is getting better, but still been beaten by Rosberg...

The fact is that he has been overrated all these years.

(by definition, overrating is when someone thinks he is better than he actually is. And the fact is that the fame he created led everyone to believe he would be doing better than he is now... including himself)

The fact that everyone though he would do great means he is overrated, BY DEFINITION. There is no way around it.

Never liked Senna, but to put MS in the same league as him is illarious...

On the other hand, you dont win 7 WDC by not having the best car for most of your career...

And the task becomes even easier when you never have to face a real teammate, like Senna, Hamilton, Prost and others did...

you had to revive this thread to tell everyone how right you think you really are. And with Schumacher struggling with this new format and his age(which he's fighting againts), it must give you immense pleasure. I also did'nt like Schumie during his domination years, but he was and is still a great talent, one of the best ever.

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but he was and is still a great talent, one of the best ever.

I agree, and actually I never denied it!

He has always been a great talent, but so have many others...

It is time for the mature fans recognize he is a great driver, BUT that he has been highly overrated.

And about he been aged:

If it is true that his age is playing a big part, that only proofs even himself overrated him: he though he would still be able to get another WDC... Or maybe he was counting too much on Brawn designing another invencible car...

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I agree, and actually I never denied it!

He has always been a great talent, but so have many others...

It is time for the mature fans recognize he is a great driver, BUT that he has been highly overrated.

And about he been aged:

If it is true that his age is playing a big part, that only proofs even himself overrated him: he though he would still be able to get another WDC... Or maybe he was counting too much on Brawn designing another invencible car...

So, just for clarification, by your definition of being overrated, presumably you think that the Schumi racing now is virtually as good as when he won 7 WDCs? Aside from a little age-dulling of the senses and talents, Schumi now, if he was put in a RBR with Rubens as his team mate, would win the title?

If, in your opinion, there have been many other talents just as great/better, you have to ask yourself how come they didn't put themselves into a position where they could win 7 WDCs?

Also, do you believe that Schumi never won or contested for races, or indeed the championship, when he had an inferior car?

And finally, do you believe that Vettel is getting preferential treatment to Webber?

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I agree, and actually I never denied it!

He has always been a great talent, but so have many others...

It is time for the mature fans recognize he is a great driver, BUT that he has been highly overrated.

And about he been aged:

If it is true that his age is playing a big part, that only proofs even himself overrated him: he though he would still be able to get another WDC... Or maybe he was counting too much on Brawn designing another invencible car...

Wow you're back. What happened, wife left you again? Finally got parole? Got fired again and came back to take it out on Schumacher? Can't get laid so you blame Schumacher? Want some good porn sites - labradoracer can help you with that.

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I arm wrestle a guy who's eighteen years old. He thrashes me.

Same guy who's now forty gets arm wrestled again by an eighteen year old. Forty year old guy gets beaten.

Conclusive proof that the forty year old guy was never any good.

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ok - can we stop poking shumi with a stick now ? - nobody can doubt his past achievements and the formula of "shumi x brawn + good rear gunner " was the best since cola. However, we may also have to consider the possibility that we have a pretty strong, even grid these days. During the peak of his powers there were very rarely more than 2 teams challenging for wins and plenty of crappy drivers. I'm not convinced that he was ever quicker than alonso, lewis, vettel (and no doubt a few others - as i'm sure you'll point out with glee!). Times have simply changed, and with the limited testing we don't have the luxury of building a car around a driver.

Ironically after Senna's death many chicanes were introduced in his name, its with equal irony that the rules and regs to stop the type of formulaic dominance displayed by shumi are indeed stifling his opportunity to compete. Personally I think the best gift he can offer to F1 is a vacant seat for a young charger. If he wins another WDC I won't think any higher of him, if he fails to score another point I won't think any less - his place in history is cemented - never my favorite - but helped raise the profile of the sport I love - and for that reason alone, I tip my hat to you MS.

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ok - can we stop poking shumi with a stick now ? - nobody can doubt his past achievements and the formula of "shumi x brawn + good rear gunner " was the best since cola. However, we may also have to consider the possibility that we have a pretty strong, even grid these days. During the peak of his powers there were very rarely more than 2 teams challenging for wins and plenty of crappy drivers. I'm not convinced that he was ever quicker than alonso, lewis, vettel (and no doubt a few others - as i'm sure you'll point out with glee!). Times have simply changed, and with the limited testing we don't have the luxury of building a car around a driver.

Ironically after Senna's death many chicanes were introduced in his name, its with equal irony that the rules and regs to stop the type of formulaic dominance displayed by shumi are indeed stifling his opportunity to compete. Personally I think the best gift he can offer to F1 is a vacant seat for a young charger. If he wins another WDC I won't think any higher of him, if he fails to score another point I won't think any less - his place in history is cemented - never my favorite - but helped raise the profile of the sport I love - and for that reason alone, I tip my hat to you MS.

Totally agree. I would add that the Michael we are watching now, is not the Michael we looked at ten years ago. Rubbishing his current achievements therefore do not represent a realistic yardstick. Throw into the mix realtive car performances and it is a minefield of variables to truly judge Michael. I'll conclude that whatever his true speed versus the current or past crop, he used all the tools at his disposal with devastating effect.

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Well he has not done the kind of job that everyone expected him to do but you can never count him out, he remains a formidable competitor with lots of experience. He is getting quicker and it will be a matter of time till everything works together and he will deliver the right result what everyone is expecting. Having returned to F1 is not a mistake i think if the likes of Senna was in the same position as Schumacher he would made comeback too... just might have worked out a bit better than Michael's... never the less I think you should review his progress halfway through the season. Turkey is coming up I think Merc might just spring a surprise there and Michael delivering the kind of result that everyone is expecting.

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Well he has not done the kind of job that everyone expected him to do but you can never count him out, he remains a formidable competitor with lots of experience. He is getting quicker and it will be a matter of time till everything works together and he will deliver the right result what everyone is expecting. Having returned to F1 is not a mistake i think if the likes of Senna was in the same position as Schumacher he would made comeback too... just might have worked out a bit better than Michael's... never the less I think you should review his progress halfway through the season. Turkey is coming up I think Merc might just spring a surprise there and Michael delivering the kind of result that everyone is expecting.

Have a look at the standings for drivers and constructors. Call me pessimistic but I already see a pattern emerging that will remain constant as the season progresses. Mercedes have half the poins of Renault. Historically we never really see a change in the order with teams that are clearly off the pace from the ones at the front. I'm speculating, but I think Mercedes will not turn it around from here.

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Merc cannot challenge this year - and with both drivers a doubt for next year, that does not help the medium/long term prospects. It was always a marriage of convenience - shumi had an itch to scratch, and merc needed to pacify their shareholders after spending a fortune during a global recession. The question is - has their brand been enhanced by their F1 team ownership foray, or was it better to just supply engines ? With Brawn not in control, shumi pondering how long he wants to stay and rosberg needing to raise his profile somewhat - maybe merc may not see a future in team ownership. Norbert promised the board big time, and thus far it's not been a good investment. F1 will always have too many variable for mainstream manufacturers to commit long term. (Ford, Toyota, Honda, BMW.......Merc) . With so many decent teams on the grid - statistically your almost doomed to fail.

Who knows, perhaps shumi would be happy to walk today, but merc need his "untouchable" presence to ensure the team survives.............for now!

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Merc cannot challenge this year - and with both drivers a doubt for next year, that does not help the medium/long term prospects. It was always a marriage of convenience - shumi had an itch to scratch, and merc needed to pacify their shareholders after spending a fortune during a global recession. The question is - has their brand been enhanced by their F1 team ownership foray, or was it better to just supply engines ? With Brawn not in control, shumi pondering how long he wants to stay and rosberg needing to raise his profile somewhat - maybe merc may not see a future in team ownership. Norbert promised the board big time, and thus far it's not been a good investment. F1 will always have too many variable for mainstream manufacturers to commit long term. (Ford, Toyota, Honda, BMW.......Merc) . With so many decent teams on the grid - statistically your almost doomed to fail.

Who knows, perhaps shumi would be happy to walk today, but merc need his "untouchable" presence to ensure the team survives.............for now!

Another good post...

Was smiling to myself last night, looking at how both Mercedes and Renault are being comprehensively outpaced by their customer teams. A bit early for Mercedes to be regretting their decision in my opinion, but as you allude to there are issues to be adressed. Brawn GP was always going to be a hard act to follow and one can forgive them for a short term slump. The key to their success will be to see how they handle year three. Ditch development early again, or nurture this year's car? It seems like they don't have enough tricks up their sleeve to successfully work on either option. This will surely then bring into question the technical team, aside from the fact that they have the delicate issue of Schumacher to deal with.

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or to completely contradict my previous post - perhaps it suits merc for us all to be lamenting shumi's lack of performance, rather than the teams!

Either way - this is not a recipe for success!

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or to completely contradict my previous post - perhaps it suits merc for us all to be lamenting shumi's lack of performance, rather than the teams!

Either way - this is not a recipe for success!

Hadn't thought of it like that! Still, not good when Rosberg is making him look decidedly second rate.

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Still, not good when Rosberg is making him look decidedly second rate.

There we go again - assuming that schumi is the benchmark. Hard to judge, but rosberg seems to be responding well to whatever F1 has thrown at him so far. So much potential, just not sure he's in the best place at a critical time in his development. He should have gone to mac and Jenson stay put. I like Jenson a lot - but don't see him beating Lewis over a season.

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There we go again - assuming that schumi is the benchmark. Hard to judge, but rosberg seems to be responding well to whatever F1 has thrown at him so far. So much potential, just not sure he's in the best place at a critical time in his development. He should have gone to mac and Jenson stay put. I like Jenson a lot - but don't see him beating Lewis over a season.

Whoa! About five different points made in one small paragraph!

Schumacher is a benchmark. What else is there for Rosberg to benchmark himself against?

I agree that Rosberg is doing very well. I'm going to assume that Schumacher is nowhere near his best, but still okay on a good day.

There is plenty of time for Nico. And where he is right now is doing him or his reputation no harm at all.

I agree, Jenson will struggle to beat Lewis over a season, now or anytime in the future.

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not good when Rosberg is making him look decidedly second rate.

i think that nico would do this ad better ---look

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I agree, Jenson will struggle to beat Lewis over a season, now or anytime in the future.

I disagree. I don't see it as a "struggle" at all. He'll beat Lewis, Vettel and all of the other drivers in an overall season. :thbup:

As for Michael, he'll get the measure of Nico. Its not about benchmarking. Its about self preservation, commitment and ambition. Michael just hasn't found Rosie's weak point yet.

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There we go again - assuming that schumi is the benchmark. Hard to judge, but rosberg seems to be responding well to whatever F1 has thrown at him so far. So much potential, just not sure he's in the best place at a critical time in his development. He should have gone to mac and Jenson stay put. I like Jenson a lot - but don't see him beating Lewis over a season.

You can only really benchmark your performances against your team mate, as they're the only person with identical equipment. Michael's definitely looking a lot better this season than he was during 2010, but I still don't think he's quite back to his best yet, and I have a feeling he simply isn't capable of sustaining the level of performance he did before he retired

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EVer tried masturbation? It's way more fun that obsessing over Schumacher!

By the way you react, it is obviously that the things I ve been writing are the cruel and hard to swallow TRUE!

Thanks a lot for your comments...

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Interesting article from Jonny Herbert http://www.thenational.ae/sport/formula-one/schumacher-left-behind-by-young-drivers

Does anyone else agree that Schumacher is still as good as he was but that the rest are now better? I disagree. In fact, I can't believe that Herbert thinks this. In effect, it would mean that the likes of Petrov are better than Michael ever was. Has the art of going around corners really improved that much in five years? I'm still of the opinion that Michael simply isn't as fast as he was. Michael was at his most controversial when under pressure and made some questionable decisions as a result. All very well when your car is great and you're out front. His desperate attempt to hold position when he the corner was clearly lost to Vitaly in Istanbul smacked of Adelaide '94 and Jerez '97 all over again. These two incidents used to drive me crazy when people constantly referred to them. The thing is, now he is firmly on the back foot with pace, car and race craft - the potential for 'under pressure' incidents are cropping up almost every race. No wonder he looke so sour after Turkey. I feel very sorry for him, but it's time to hang up the helmet for good.

Michael, I want to see you at Spa, Monaco and Monza one last time, but no more after this year. Go enjoy your family and all that cash.

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