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So When Will The Button Critics Shut Up?

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Great video, Alex. Indeed the aforementioned are exceptional in the wet. I would like to add that personally, I think Jens is better on a wet=dry track.

What was the race in where Lewis was helped back to the track and Button had made something like 15 places up in the first few laps?

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For those who don't believe Button is the best wet driver on the grid, look at his wet weather performances closely, like his first win, Australia 2010, Malaysia 2009, China 2009.

Sorry, Vettel completely dominated in the wet at China last year. Button is a good wet weather driver, but I'm unsure as to whether he's the "best".

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Button's championship was no more a fluke than ...say JV's.. or Kimi's or say... several of the championships won by the German guy in the red car that was so much quicker than all the other cars for sooo long.

Evil truths...

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Very peculiar since most of them are made for accountants. :eusa_think:

Things get even more peculiar when the accountants find out that its their wives who are the pornstars..:eusa_think:

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Things get even more peculiar when the accountants find out that its their wives who are the pornstars..eusa_think.gif

That explains why most of them are made for accountants. eusa_think.gif

We need pabloh here right now.

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I'm an ignorant about porn.

BTW, is pabloh an accountant? eusa_think.gif

Well....all I know is that he lends his hand whenever you ask..

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Well....all I know is that he lends his hand whenever you ask..

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No, I'm a pornstar whistling.gif

And a star too. clap3.gif

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"I’m very interested in the response of McLaren and its two drivers to the events in Australia. Jenson Button won the race with a performance of measured perfection and instinctive tactical brilliance, while Lewis Hamilton lit up Albert Park with his audacious passing, but ended up looking diminished in comparison with Button, less in control of his destiny, less mature."

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"McLaren’s decision was partly informed by the belief that Hamilton would struggle to make it to the finish on a single set of tyres, unlike Button."

"Realising the decision had been wrong he criticised the team in a radio transmission which was heard by the world, which showed a lack of composure."

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"He (Hamilton) has exceptional skill behind the wheel, of the kind which could make him one of the greats, but until he can add that extra dimension of leadership and racing intelligence from the c#ckpit he will not be the complete package."

James Allen

Myth!!!

As far as I know Hamilton didn't want to pit, he had 3rd place in his pocket and was fighting for 2nd. FFS, is a racing driver supposed to work as an engineer from his c#ckpit? Button achieved a great result, he gambled and won. Hamilton failed on saturday but he did a superb job on Sunday and his team and Webber spoiled it.

I second your 'myth' statement. James Allen is wrong. Being a 'complete package' isn't the only way to make a driver one of the 'greats'. Gilles wasn't a 'complete package' and neither was Rindt. Both were great. Lewis will end up being great as well if he continues to drive like he does. Watching him drive is like sex without a condom. It's real and purely wonderful.

He gambled and he won. You always need a bit of luck to win a Grand Prix but it wasn't like he hadn't a clue about what was going on and he just decided to pit. That idea is completely wrong. SuperHamilton failed on Saturday and then he did a very good job on Sunday. I never liked those over-exuberant words many fans use like whipped his @ss, destroyed, trashed... No way, things are not like that.

He destroyed Lewis? I thought it had been webber. eusa_think.gif

Massa is a good driver, he's not great, and sometimes he drives like the average taxi driver we all carry inside.

To say Button is the best wet wheather driver on the grid just underrates others like Kubica, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso...

You're right but I think the most improved driver is Massa. He soundly lost against Fisichella when they drove along in Sauber. He was outscored by Heidfeld too.

Gold. Every word.

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I second your 'myth' statement. James Allen is wrong. Being a 'complete package' isn't the only way to make a driver one of the 'greats'. Gilles wasn't a 'complete package' and neither was Rindt. Both were great. Lewis will end up being great as well if he continues to drive like he does. Watching him drive is like sex without a condom. It's real and purely wonderful.

Hamilton drives like he does because he feels entitled to it and Whiting lets him... proving him right.

What the fans need to understand is that the entire field could drive like mavericks, that is, like Hamilton. However, Whiting would quickly put a stop to that as it would lead to uncontrollable danger.

So, kudos to Hamilton for stealing for himself the position (apparently) open to drive and do as you please while getting away with it all. I'm afraid without this, he would have little to offer... which sucks. It would be much better if Hamilton could race even without driving like a madman on the edge of the rulebook when not all over it.

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I forgot Cavallino started this thread but I should have known right away considering its title:

"So When Will The Button Critics Shut Up?"

Intersting this goof's desire to censor opinions other than his own. Nothing new, of course. It is the nth time I see this Merry Andrew try control the forums. Futile objective, futile effort, futile man.

I say let the critics speak as they like. After all, one's opinion is no more than one's responsibility... as well as many others' cause for laughter. It all works out great, afaik.

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Thread bump, being the good prophet I am, I had already said what needed to be said about Button this weekend, before the race even happened.

So who doesn't agree that Button is the best wet weather driver on the grid?

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Aren't we all!

Some more than others!

Anyway, as for the title question, I stand by what I said before. Never. You only have to see some of the utter claptrap, piffle and nonsense that some people send in on the BBC F1 Forum after the race. Off the top of my head there was such emails as:

How boring a race would that have been without Lewis in it?

Answer, not really.

and

Why do all the other drivers give Lewis a hard time off the track?

Aww, did the drivers say nasty things about ickle Lewis? Tough sh*t. Man, I just wanted to throw something large and heavy at the TV.

Basically, I think those who are Lewis fans will always be Lewis fans no matter how bad Jense destroys him because X Y and Z show that Lewis is far superior despite.....err, being beaten half the time!

People sometimes ask me what I have against Lewis. Nothing, nothing at all. I think Lewis is a good driver but not at all what he is cracked up to be. I certainly wouldn't call him the best driver currently and am not a fan of his at all. What I do have a problem with is the "OMG ISN'T LEWIS THE BESTEST *Multiple Orgasm*" club.

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Answer, not really.

Putting the sport's success ahead of your personal biases, you'd see that Lewis, like the other top drivers, belongs there. You can't deny he's talented, you can't deny his ability adds to a race, you can't deny he brings fans to the sport, and...you can't deny it's fun to have a "bad guy" that you like to root against if that's how you feel about him.

Taking him away would be the same as taking away Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, Schumacher, Rosberg, Button, Massa, or any of the other front-runners. Losing one is not going to kill the sport, but it's certainly more interesting when they're all there, no?

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Putting the sport's success ahead of your personal biases, you'd see that Lewis, like the other top drivers, belongs there. You can't deny he's talented, you can't deny his ability adds to a race, you can't deny he brings fans to the sport, and...you can't deny it's fun to have a "bad guy" that you like to root against if that's how you feel about him.

I didn't say he wasn't talented or deny that yes, he is an interesting aspect to the race. But hee isn't the be-all and end-all of a great race, now is he? He's a part of a great race with all the front running drivers you mentioned. My point being that I just didn't see how that race would have been "boring" if Lewis wasn't there.

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Putting the sport's success ahead of your personal biases, you'd see that Lewis, like the other top drivers, belongs there. You can't deny he's talented, you can't deny his ability adds to a race, you can't deny he brings fans to the sport, and...you can't deny it's fun to have a "bad guy" that you like to root against if that's how you feel about him.

Taking him away would be the same as taking away Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, Schumacher, Rosberg, Button, Massa, or any of the other front-runners. Losing one is not going to kill the sport, but it's certainly more interesting when they're all there, no?

MSc front runner? Well if you take the front 10 drivers... but haurry up Sutil/Force India is catching him...

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I didn't say he wasn't talented or deny that yes, he is an interesting aspect to the race. But hee isn't the be-all and end-all of a great race, now is he? He's a part of a great race with all the front running drivers you mentioned. My point being that I just didn't see how that race would have been "boring" if Lewis wasn't there.

That was the point I made, too, so I think maybe possibly we agree. My bad.

MSc front runner? Well if you take the front 10 drivers... but haurry up Sutil/Force India is catching him...

:lol: True.

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