AleHop 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2011 Oh, I thought Barca's used for the city as well. Thanks for pointing it out. It's understandable but Barna is commonly used in Spain too for the city so just a change of c for n. And Barça or Barsa, rather than Barca, for the Club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 19, 2011 nice info AleHop Testing time at end of session day 2 FASTEST TIMES 1 Vettel Red Bull 1m23.315s 2 Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1m23.519s +0.204 3 Alonso Ferrari 1m23.978s +0.663 4 Barrichello Williams 1m24.008s +0.693 5 Heidfeld Renault 1m24.242s +0.927 6 Kobayashi Sauber 1m24.243s +0.928 7 Rosberg Mercedes 1m24.730s +1.415 8 Button McLaren 1m24.923s +1.608 9 Di Resta Force India 1m25.194s +1.879 10 Kovalainen Lotus 1m26.421s +3.106 11 Petrov Renault 1m26.884s +3.569 12 Liuzzi HRT 1m27.044s +3.729 13 Glock Virgin 1m27.242s +3.927 14 Teixeira Lotus 1m31.584s +8.269 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2011 McLaren are clearly on the back foot. A team of that stature shouldn't be spending entire mornings in the garage for the want of spare parts at this stage of the season. Jenson has done all he can do this week and Hamilton may find some improvement in this new car. In my opinion, it wasn't ready for racing and is probably a whole test away from being close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LabradoRacer 2 Report post Posted February 20, 2011 McLaren are clearly on the back foot. A team of that stature shouldn't be spending entire mornings in the garage for the want of spare parts at this stage of the season. Jenson has done all he can do this week and Hamilton may find some improvement in this new car. In my opinion, it wasn't ready for racing and is probably a whole test away from being close. Yep. I don't know if you're allowed to test outside of official test sessions, if you haven't utilized the alloted mileage. If yes, then Bahrain going barren should help them to recover lost ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2011 Yep. I don't know if you're allowed to test outside of official test sessions, if you haven't utilized the alloted mileage. If yes, then Bahrain going barren should help them to recover lost ground. It is my understanding that unused mileage is not recoverable through any means. The most ominous sign that all is not well at Woking is the lack of comment from Whitmarsh and Lowe. Jenson seems to be doing all the talking at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna's Ghost 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2011 nice info AleHop Testing time at end of session day 2 FASTEST TIMES 1 Vettel Red Bull 1m23.315s 2 Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1m23.519s +0.204 3 Alonso Ferrari 1m23.978s +0.663 4 Barrichello Williams 1m24.008s +0.693 5 Heidfeld Renault 1m24.242s +0.927 6 Kobayashi Sauber 1m24.243s +0.928 7 Rosberg Mercedes 1m24.730s +1.415 8 Button McLaren 1m24.923s +1.608 9 Di Resta Force India 1m25.194s +1.879 10 Kovalainen Lotus 1m26.421s +3.106 11 Petrov Renault 1m26.884s +3.569 12 Liuzzi HRT 1m27.044s +3.729 13 Glock Virgin 1m27.242s +3.927 14 Teixeira Lotus 1m31.584s +8.269 By means of comparison I looked up the FP1 times at the 2010 Barcelona GP as I thought this might provide us with a yardstick to judge 2011 performace levels. 1 Vettel 1:21.134 after 21 laps 23 Senna 1:27.752 after 27 laps. The major thing to take into consideration is the Pirelli tyre, the track temp and track conditions. Of course the testing programme the teams are going through is going to influence the times the cars and drivers are producing at this stage. Interesting nontheless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 20, 2011 It is my understanding that unused mileage is not recoverable through any means. The most ominous sign that all is not well at Woking is the lack of comment from Whitmarsh and Lowe. Jenson seems to be doing all the talking at the moment. This morning something was curtailing Hamiltons running, then when he finally put a stint together and had 2 more laps to go, Massa caused a red flag... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 20, 2011 Times at Lunch .....suprise suprise...times were going down as the track got dryer... 1 Hamilton McLaren 1m28.053s 2 Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1m28.329s +0.276 3 Sutil Force India 1m28.422s +0.369 4 Petrov Renault 1m29.648s +1.595 5 Perez Sauber 1m30.374s +2.321 6 Webber Red Bull 1m30.497s +2.444 7 Karthikeyan HRT 1m30.722s +2.669 8 Glock Virgin 1m31.436s +3.383 9 Massa Ferrari 1m35.212s +7.159 10 Maldonado Williams 1m43.121s +15.068 11 Rosberg Mercedes 1m43.268s +15.215 12 Trulli Lotus 1m43.860s +15.807 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 Not all is well at Woking but Lewis brought some parts wrapped in his Pooh Bear jammies and he fared a little better than his colleague. Haug is talking down Merc's performance and Ferrari, STR and RBR are saying little. At this stage, Ferrari look awesome, RBR are very quick again but STR are the big surprise for me with their first independantly-designed car. I expect them to be 'owning' the third row of the grid and laying down a firm challenge to McLaren, Renault and Mercedes to take it away from them. If there was ever a team that could be and should be bought, it's STR in my opinion. With Ted Mateschitz flahing eyelashes at VW this week over a possible engine supply scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if STR become the new Porsche, Bugatti, Audi or even SEAT F1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 Not all is well at Woking but Lewis brought some parts wrapped in his Pooh Bear jammies and he fared a little better than his colleague. Haug is talking down Merc's performance and Ferrari, STR and RBR are saying little. At this stage, Ferrari look awesome, RBR are very quick again but STR are the big surprise for me with their first independantly-designed car. I expect them to be 'owning' the third row of the grid and laying down a firm challenge to McLaren, Renault and Mercedes to take it away from them. If there was ever a team that could be and should be bought, it's STR in my opinion. With Ted Mateschitz flahing eyelashes at VW this week over a possible engine supply scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if STR become the new Porsche, Bugatti, Audi or even SEAT F1. Webber is suppose to do some qualifying runs this morning, let's see where he ends up. Mclaren is cocentrating on long runs today, should be interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandyNZL 1 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 Macca are working on the front blowing exhaust of theirs...it takes 2-hours to change from "standard" to "front", hence the BS about not enough parts.....and not as much track time as the others Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 Macca are working on the front blowing exhaust of theirs...it takes 2-hours to change from "standard" to "front", hence the BS about not enough parts.....and not as much track time as the others Yeah, I've heard this from friends at the track but neither config is making much difference to the overall raw pace of the car, apparently but does make a huge difference to the balance which just adds more time to adjust. It makes me think that this car was virtually a 'knee-jerk' design which has gone west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 I think the car has loads of potential but has to be develop further... 11:12 Hamilton has so far completed the most laps today, 50, so he could be on track for significant running, which is what he said he wanted yesterday 10:57 Webber kicks off his outing with the fastest time of the day so far - 1m23.442s Times so far 1 Webber Red Bull 1m23.442s 2 Buemi Toro Rosso 1m23.550s +0.108 3 Sutil Force India 1m24.226s +0.784 4 Maldonado Williams 1m25.297s +1.855 5 Massa Ferrari 1m25.676s +2.234 6 Perez Sauber 1m26.914s +3.472 7 Schumacher Mercedes 1m27.079s +3.637 8 Hamilton McLaren 1m27.561s +4.119 9 Trulli Lotus 1m29.992s +6.550 10 D'Ambrosio Virgin 1m31.713s +8.271 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 although it is hard on it's tyres, i think that williams has potential to make good Q3 pace, and make start of the races complicated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 although it is hard on it's tyres, i think that williams has potential to make good Q3 pace, and make start of the races complicated if you say so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikathegreat2 2 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 Liuzzi been testing with HRT, oh noes!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2011 if you say so you are intelligent man you see when someone has made his conclusion and he is pushing it, why to oppose him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 you see when someone has made his conclusion and he is pushing it, why to oppose him! exactly! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riseofstars 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 What about STR? They look as fast as RBR. Or is it just a showoff? Do they have KERS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 So, the engineers James Allen spoke to estimate RB advantage over Ferrari to .3-4/10ths second. Quite close, I'de thought it more to be around the 0.6 area.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandyNZL 1 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 No no no no...that's Alonso's advantage....he brings it with him in his lunchbox, remember Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 No no no no...that's Alonso's advantage....he brings it with him in his lunchbox, remember How could I forget Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 So, the engineers James Allen spoke to estimate RB advantage over Ferrari to .3-4/10ths second. Quite close, I'de thought it more to be around the 0.6 area.... later james explained in answer to one of the comment questions that it is about quali advantage, race pace advantage is still unknown, on long runs depends on what tires red bull or ferrari are using Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 No no no no...that's Alonso's advantage....he brings it with him in his lunchbox, remember No no no no...that's Hamilton's advantage....he brings three points of downforce in his lunchbox, remember Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted February 22, 2011 Food for thought: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/02/f1-test-analysis-a-couple-of-graphs-to-get-you-thinking/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
