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Take away the spongebob face, and my daughter would love that helmet

Ok, you promise you'll support Alonso this season. :)

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Ok, you promise you'll support Alonso this season. :)

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Have I never not?

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Never ever you have.

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Till Hungary 07 forever I did, but ever after never maybe who knows....

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Till Hungary 07 forever I did, but ever after never maybe who knows....

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Ferrari boss threatens to withdraw team

Apr.15 (GMM) Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo says he cannot guarantee Ferrari will still be in Formula 1 in 2013.

The Italian marque’s president told Auto Bild that the sport “has become too artificial” through deliberately designing tyres that degrade and implementing moveable wings to increase overtaking.

“A steering wheel is now a computer covered in buttons,” said Montezemolo, “and the fans no longer understand.”

He then referred to the expiring Concorde Agreement which is due to be renewed in the not too distance future.

“The contracts expire at the end of 2012. We need to discuss now how to proceed. Ferrari will continue to be there, so long as the sport gives us back something for the development of technology of our production cars. Otherwise not,” said Montezemolo.

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I think it is time for Sergio Marchione to act.

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Double post. Well this one came out blank actually! Sorry.

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test again!

No. It was uncalled for because my original post was a rant about me wondering who the hell Luca di Mozzerella thinks he is in making a statement which belittles the intellect of others. You took it a step further and proceeded to insult me. My choice of wording had nothing to do with you, yet you make assumptions that I'm not a good person because I used bad language, and apparently women don't do that. Shock horror sonny boy, life's about to kick you up the arse, because if you think that way now, then no woman is going to want a daughter with you.

I love a joke and a banter as much as the next person, and I don't take things personally, usually. But your comment was the exception, was way out of order and I didn't appreciate it.

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No. It was uncalled for because my original post was a rant about me wondering who the hell Luca di Mozzerella thinks he is in making a statement which belittles the intellect of others. You took it a step further and proceeded to insult me. My choice of wording had nothing to do with you, yet you make assumptions that I'm not a good person because I used bad language, and apparently women don't do that. Shock horror sonny boy, life's about to kick you up the arse, because if you think that way now, then no woman is going to want a daughter with you.

I love a joke and a banter as much as the next person, and I don't take things personally, usually. But your comment was the exception, was way out of order and I didn't appreciate it.

i will think about it

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Translation:

My team haven't built a good enough car, and I am p**sed off so I am going to blame the rule changes. The DRS rule is not to complicated at all (I actually initially thought it would be, but it really isn't), and I don't think it's making passing too easy, it's just making it more possible.

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Funny, the whole interview seemed to imply that he just wants more share from the profits for the teams, something that Mercedes, McLaren, Renault et al. have echoed. Yet when others said so it wasn't shown this way.

Really, peoople, I know most of us can't read in many languages, but at least check how different sites headline the exact same comments and you will notice how even a "good day, everybody!" is heavily tainted by the website's editor. It is easy to get incensed by whatever crap the F1 websites feed us and their quality is only going down.

For example, Lewis has said something about not being tied forever to McLaren (that was before his triumph in China) and mentioned McLaren's lack of pace. How would you title that comment?

1) "Lewis bemoans McLaren's lack of competitivness. Threatens to quit"

2) "Lewis demands McLaren to give him a competitive car"

3) "Lewis cries because he can't win"

4) "Lewis looks for new challenges outside McLaren"

And so on...

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Funny, the whole interview seemed to imply that he just wants more share from the profits for the teams, something that Mercedes, McLaren, Renault et al. have echoed. Yet when others said so it wasn't shown this way.

Really, peoople, I know most of us can't read in many languages, but at least check how different sites headline the exact same comments and you will notice how even a "good day, everybody!" is heavily tainted by the website's editor. It is easy to get incensed by whatever crap the F1 websites feed us and their quality is only going down.

For example, Lewis has said something about not being tied forever to McLaren (that was before his triumph in China) and mentioned McLaren's lack of pace. How would you title that comment?

1) "Lewis bemoans McLaren's lack of competitivness. Threatens to quit"

2) "Lewis demands McLaren to give him a competitive car"

3) "Lewis cries because he can't win"

4) "Lewis looks for new challenges outside McLaren"

And so on...

While I do agree with your general point about headlines and the quality of reporting, I don't agree on this example. I haven't seen other teams make exactly the same kind of comment on the new Concorde Agreement, maybe I am just not reading enough of the rubbish F1 news sites (I stick to a handful of specialist sites, and "yalla" definitely isn't and won't be one of them), but I don't see senior people in other teams making the thinly veiled half threats which Luca loves to make. So I don't think Luca has any right of complaint if his comments get printed as "Ferrari boss threatens to wtihdraw team" even though that it isn't particularly accurate, because he left the door wide open, so to speak, with the line "Ferrari will continue to be there, so long as the sport gives us back something for the development of technology of our production cars. Otherwise not" which is the kind of line I don't see the others making. Most of the time, he seems to want those kind of headlines and is trying to throw some weight around so I don't think it's the best example of sloppy reporting (although admittedly only because the way they play with driver quotes is far worse).

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Well, he would obviously know how well development is going on their 4cyl engine....maybe he knows it's not going too well, so he's posturing and politiking Bernie to dump the formula for the new engines? Who knows...he still comes across as an egg...

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It's quite hard to swallow a fizzy drinks company

Presuambly, so is passing a whole rhino through one's sphincter.

Take away the spongebob face, and my daughter would love that helmet

Just the sort of line Frankie Boyle would respond to.

B.O.T....

Luca is just p!ssed that Fernando didn't have DRS at Abu Dhabi last year.

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Funny, the whole interview seemed to imply that he just wants more share from the profits for the teams, something that Mercedes, McLaren, Renault et al. have echoed. Yet when others said so it wasn't shown this way.

Really, peoople, I know most of us can't read in many languages, but at least check how different sites headline the exact same comments and you will notice how even a "good day, everybody!" is heavily tainted by the website's editor. It is easy to get incensed by whatever crap the F1 websites feed us and their quality is only going down.

For example, Lewis has said something about not being tied forever to McLaren (that was before his triumph in China) and mentioned McLaren's lack of pace. How would you title that comment?

1) "Lewis bemoans McLaren's lack of competitivness. Threatens to quit"

2) "Lewis demands McLaren to give him a competitive car"

3) "Lewis cries because he can't win"

4) "Lewis looks for new challenges outside McLaren"

And so on...

As Ferrari are already known to get a bigger slice of the pie than the other teams, he's a blinding hypocrite

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Just sounds to me like the usual old cacky sabre rattling that the teams come out with every time the Concorde comes up for renewal.

Go on then Luca - bugger off!

More money for everyone else! :)

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Presuambly, so is passing a whole rhino through one's sphincter.

A bull, a red bull in this case.

I honestly think Ferrari are all against the 2013 changes and LdM is not just trying to get more money.

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Of course, in principle LDM is right. F1 has traditionally always been a proving ground and test bed for production cars; the home of automotive innovation and invention. Now it is a circus troupe controlled by a greedy little dwarf and regulated by a bunch of morons in Geneva who, if anything, actively discourage car development over promoting spectacle. A sad, sad story for fans like me. An acquisition by News International would probably stifle the ethos of Grand Prix racing even further and to be honest, F1 without Ferrari isn't a going concern. TV won't touch it without the guaranteed involvement of the men from Maranello. Posturing? Certainly. FOTA is a toothless sheep but Luca has the balls to take on the lot of them and the guile and clout to get his way. The winners would ultimately be Ferrari but no one team would be worse off. The fans need the sport to be simple and exciting. It was when we had re-fuelling and competing tyre manufacturers. In two years we will have nothing but a spec car series if the powers that be have their way. I shan't watch it, that's for sure. Regulations governing tyre size, engine capacity, fuel grade and safety are all acceptable. Just leave the rest of it to the teams. That's real F1 racing and for once, Luca I support you 100%.

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Of course, in principle LDM is right. F1 has traditionally always been a proving ground and test bed for production cars; the home of automotive innovation and invention. Now it is a circus troupe controlled by a greedy little dwarf and regulated by a bunch of morons in Geneva who, if anything, actively discourage car development over promoting spectacle. A sad, sad story for fans like me. An acquisition by News International would probably stifle the ethos of Grand Prix racing even further and to be honest, F1 without Ferrari isn't a going concern. TV won't touch it without the guaranteed involvement of the men from Maranello. Posturing? Certainly. FOTA is a toothless sheep but Luca has the balls to take on the lot of them and the guile and clout to get his way. The winners would ultimately be Ferrari but no one team would be worse off. The fans need the sport to be simple and exciting. It was when we had re-fuelling and competing tyre manufacturers. In two years we will have nothing but a spec car series if the powers that be have their way. I shan't watch it, that's for sure. Regulations governing tyre size, engine capacity, fuel grade and safety are all acceptable. Just leave the rest of it to the teams. That's real F1 racing and for once, Luca I support you 100%.

I wouldn't have said it better. :thbup:

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You know, I really don't get why people think F1 would collapse if Ferrari left.

Yep, they would lose some Italian and other fans, but as long as F1 had good drivers and good racing I believe it would get over their loss and move on. The viewing public are very fickle and other strong brands have come and gone - Lotus, Silver Arrows, etc....

Not doubting their rich heritage and this is not an anti-Ferrari rant as I started F1 by watching the likes of Niki Lauda, Gilles Villeneuve and Clay Regazzoni in the prancing horses....

In England we have a county (region) called Cornwall which has managed to do a wonderful marketing job into people's collective consciousness. Cornwall is now seen as cool, trendy, TV chefs have taken over certain towns and it is one of the UK's top destinations. Yes it has beauty in places, has some great beaches but the reality is that it is tiny, there are lots of extremely grotty bits, it rains a lot and the restaurants are expensive. Scotland is bigger, better, more beautiful, cheaper (wetter!) but they have not managed to do such a good marketing job. I take my hats off to the marketing people who have done a great job of selling it.

Why, you may be asking am I mentioning this...? well Ferrari to me is similar. Undoubtedly some good bits, but they have equally spent many years achieving little. I remember the dark years during Larini, Berger and Alesi and even Schui's first season where their performance was an embarassment, reliability was crap and as I recall they went 10 years without a win (?) If Ferrari had left during this barren period, I doubt if the sport would have collapsed. And still, they have done a marketing coup in convincing everyone that they are essential to F1's survival.

So yes, they have excellent bits and created many WDCs but really, if they left F1 would it collapse and burn?

I don't think so.

Not game over.

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So yes, they have excellent bits and created many WDCs but really, if they left F1 would it collapse and burn?

I don't think so.

Not game over.

It depends on how it happened. If they leave in 2013 to a completely different formula with the F1 spirit of the past and the so called Formula One goes the path we know with V4 1.5 turbo... I'm afraid it would collapse and more and more fans would follow the other formula and after that more and more sponsors, TV money, drivers, etc...

It wouldn't collpase suddenly but probably not even Mercedes, McLaren or Renault would want to stay many seasons longer (they find it hard to keep going year after year), Red Bull and others just want to stay in the most successful series so they would leave soon too. If that didn't happen then I would think fans are stupid enough to just watch F1 because it's called Formula One. Marketing again.

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You know, I really don't get why people think F1 would collapse if Ferrari left.

Yep, they would lose some Italian and other fans, but as long as F1 had good drivers and good racing I believe it would get over their loss and move on. The viewing public are very fickle and other strong brands have come and gone - Lotus, Silver Arrows, etc....

Not doubting their rich heritage and this is not an anti-Ferrari rant as I started F1 by watching the likes of Niki Lauda, Gilles Villeneuve and Clay Regazzoni in the prancing horses....

In England we have a county (region) called Cornwall which has managed to do a wonderful marketing job into people's collective consciousness. Cornwall is now seen as cool, trendy, TV chefs have taken over certain towns and it is one of the UK's top destinations. Yes it has beauty in places, has some great beaches but the reality is that it is tiny, there are lots of extremely grotty bits, it rains a lot and the restaurants are expensive. Scotland is bigger, better, more beautiful, cheaper (wetter!) but they have not managed to do such a good marketing job. I take my hats off to the marketing people who have done a great job of selling it.

Why, you may be asking am I mentioning this...? well Ferrari to me is similar. Undoubtedly some good bits, but they have equally spent many years achieving little. I remember the dark years during Larini, Berger and Alesi and even Schui's first season where their performance was an embarassment, reliability was crap and as I recall they went 10 years without a win (?) If Ferrari had left during this barren period, I doubt if the sport would have collapsed. And still, they have done a marketing coup in convincing everyone that they are essential to F1's survival.

So yes, they have excellent bits and created many WDCs but really, if they left F1 would it collapse and burn?

I don't think so.

Not game over.

I think I have to agree on that one. If they left the sport might lose something, but not anywhere near enough to have a serious, lasting negative affect (monetary or otherwise). Ferrari probably needs F1 more than F1 needs Ferrari, actually.

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I think I have to agree on that one. If they left the sport might lose something, but not anywhere near enough to have a serious, lasting negative affect (monetary or otherwise). Ferrari probably needs F1 more than F1 needs Ferrari, actually.

From a marketing point of view, Ferrari's involvement brings the necessary kudos required to sell the sport to tv companies worldwide. You may think that F1 would continue to be a 'must have' sport for the networks if Ferrari left but you would be wrong. Every red-blooded male on the planet wants to own a Ferrari. It's a d#ck extension unrivalled by it's peers. The media care little about motor racing per se, it's the association with such a unique brand that brings the gelt into Bernie's coffers. Without Schumi the brand may have faded away but it's here to stay and whether you like it or not, Ferrari is the life source of F1 and always will be.

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From a marketing point of view, Ferrari's involvement brings the necessary kudos required to sell the sport to tv companies worldwide. You may think that F1 would continue to be a 'must have' sport for the networks if Ferrari left but you would be wrong. Every red-blooded male on the planet wants to own a Ferrari. It's a d#ck extension unrivalled by it's peers. The media care little about motor racing per se, it's the association with such a unique brand that brings the gelt into Bernie's coffers. Without Schumi the brand may have faded away but it's here to stay and whether you like it or not, Ferrari is the life source of F1 and always will be.

I'm a red blooded male, and I don't care about owning a Ferrari :) Then again I do have a massive...ego. So that's one of your statements disproved already :P As for the TV networks, I predictably disagree. If Ferrari left the sport tomorrow I can't imagine that the TV networks would decide not to renew their contracts with F1. Maybe they would be able to say "okay, you can't charge us quite as much because your sport isn't quite as prestigious now" but I think even that argument doesn't stack up either and Bernie would still get a good deal (I still think there would be lots of competition to show the series). Even if half of the sport's followers left with Ferrari (which I seriously doubt would be the case), you would still surely have a massive audience and therefore marketing platform (still in the hundreds of millions) and therefore broadcasters scrapping for the rights.

I think the life blood of F1 is a few things from a marketing perspective: manufacturers making their own cars, which are very fast racing cars, driven by very good drivers, and a "world" championship. The rest is propaganda. This is not to say Ferrari aren't important and beneficial to the sport, but they aren't vital and all their threats rely on is a fear of the unknown.

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(still in the hundreds of millions)

That's a weird number. I think it's the total number of unique individuals that watched during the entire season. Each race gets about 75 million - 85 million viewers worldwide. Networks will look more at that number because it's less of an estimate than the FOM number, which seems like a load of bull crap usually.

(I don't care to legitimately respond to anyone's post. I think it's all pointless and the teams can all get bent, and only I can ever be right about what F1 should be/do). ;)

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