Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 1, 2012 What do you want a source for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted October 1, 2012 What do you want a source for? Just using the trolls favorite way of escaping from a corner. First you make a ridiculous claim e.g.: "Alonso is NOT a god" When everybody starts yelling, you play the "source?" card and have THEM browsing the web for a reply for your ridiculous claim. Now that I explained the joke it's not as fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted October 1, 2012 Dunno if you're joking, and maybe there's truth in that, but if I was in Schumi's shoes, no matter how unreasonable F1 FANatic's line of thinking might be (and half of it isn't all that unreasonable) I would probably feel like that too. Men are weak and their emotions play tricks on them. On the other hand, Schumi is experienced and not dumb at all, he might really appreciate the fun and money, and I read that he hasn't been horribly frustrated this year even with all the failures... so yeah, any interpretation can work but it depends on the actual person, not our speculation! of course I was joking, u know me better than that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 1, 2012 Just using the trolls favorite way of escaping from a corner. First you make a ridiculous claim e.g.: "Alonso is NOT a god" When everybody starts yelling, you play the "source?" card and have THEM browsing the web for a reply for your ridiculous claim. Now that I explained the joke it's not as fun. Oh. I wondered if it was a joke but I just couldn't quite see it. Damn you and your subtle jokes! Next time use a different font or something. Now I feel stupid and angry. Eric, ban him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 From the perspective of people who are not Schumacher fans, what happens in 2013 makes no difference. We either hear about how much more could have been and how F1 will never be the same again this winter or next. From the perspective of people who are Schumacher fans, what happens in 2013 makes no difference. If he retires now, you'll talk about how sad it is he didn't get another year to prove he could win. If he retires after 2013, and does not win a race in 2013, you'll be begging for another year so he can prove he can still win. And if he does win in 2013, but retires after 2013, you'll be lamenting the fact that he still has the ability to win and isn't using it. From the perspective of people who like F1, Schumacher departing sooner rather than later is better. I don't want an F1 where mediocrity is rewarded by getting second and third and fourth and fifth chances. Sorry, Michael. I would have loved to have been entertained by him once again, but better for F1 to let go and find something else. We have the opportunity to see Hamilton and Mercedes trying something new, Pérez at McLaren, maybe someone new at Ferrari who won't be so docile with Alonso...I'd rather see Charles Pic at Sauber. And I don't rate him at all but I'd rather get a chance to see myself be wrong again. Did I say mediocrity and not mediocracy? Damn, Eric, ban me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 Oh, and, if you ever think the posts you read on the Internet aren't that great, try TV! Here an actual attorney and a potentially illiterate drunk try to talk about Schumacher's future and end up on a jingoistic rant about IndyCar. http://www.speedtv.com/programs/wind-tunnel-with-dave-despain/video-clips/wt-extra-schumachers-future-in-f1-1869986671001/1 I laughed at how horrible of TV that made, and how little content there actually was in anything said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 From the perspective of people who are not Schumacher fans, what happens in 2013 makes no difference. We either hear about how much more could have been and how F1 will never be the same again this winter or next. From the perspective of people who are Schumacher fans, what happens in 2013 makes no difference. If he retires now, you'll talk about how sad it is he didn't get another year to prove he could win. If he retires after 2013, and does not win a race in 2013, you'll be begging for another year so he can prove he can still win. And if he does win in 2013, but retires after 2013, you'll be lamenting the fact that he still has the ability to win and isn't using it. From the perspective of people who like F1, Schumacher departing sooner rather than later is better. I don't want an F1 where mediocrity is rewarded by getting second and third and fourth and fifth chances. Sorry, Michael. I would have loved to have been entertained by him once again, but better for F1 to let go and find something else. We have the opportunity to see Hamilton and Mercedes trying something new, Pérez at McLaren, maybe someone new at Ferrari who won't be so docile with Alonso...I'd rather see Charles Pic at Sauber. And I don't rate him at all but I'd rather get a chance to see myself be wrong again. Did I say mediocrity and not mediocracy? Damn, Eric, ban me! My thoughts exactly. I tried to watch the video but I can't from my current location. I tried moving rooms and it still didn't work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 My thoughts exactly. I tried to watch the video but I can't from my current location. I tried moving rooms and it still didn't work Actually that is both right and wrong. From a pure racing perspective, I'd rather give that seat to Narain than to Schumi, and let my youngest nephew run for HRT and both teams would benefit from the switch. Schumi's performance oscillated between mediocre and deeply embarrasing to anybody but his staunchiest fans since his come back. But there's also the other part of us that cannot watch Schumi and see just an awful driver (I would have added old and overpaid, but I do not think his age affects him the least, as much as I don't believe Massa's accident had affected him the least). Whenevr I see him I still recall all those drives that even from a Schumi hater point of view, after taking in account the fact that he had a car that was miles above whatever the other guys had, considering that everything always went into his favor (yeah, the original "winner by luck" ) etc.etc. he still was superhuman in so many levels that we still expect to see even a little glimpse of the old Schumi. I do not bask on Schumi's failure in his comeback. No sense of "See? I told you so!". I wanted an epic fight between Schumi/Alonso/Lewis/Vettel. Only the fact that This year had so many top drivers able to fight at the top made his failure be less spectacular as we will still enjoy a gladiators' fight with the other three. Had this happened last year when it was a Vettel's monologue, it would have felt a lot sadder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 But to me that makes it worse! I haven't seen most of the legendary drives (and that's probably the biggest difference here tbf), but I think even if I had and I saw what I am seeing now, I would not want him to continue out of hope of reviving the old magic, I would want him to retire out of respect for it. But no, I do not see Schumi as an awful driver. There are still probably at least a handful of guys on the grid worse than him. My argument is that I wouldn't support them getting a top seat (Ferrari) or retaining even a sort of top seat (Mercedes) either! Yet for Schumi the arguments come thick and fast, and hope is not enough to support them. By all means, let him play in the Sauber (if he must), though. Edit: I realise my post doesn't follow Eric's "exactly" I do agree with his main line of thinking about mediocrity, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 But to me that makes it worse! I haven't seen most of the legendary drives (and that's probably the biggest difference here tbf), but I think even if I had and I saw what I am seeing now, I would not want him to continue out of hope of reviving the old magic, I would want him to retire out of respect for it. But no, I do not see Schumi as an awful driver. There are still probably at least a handful of guys on the grid worse than him. My argument is that I wouldn't support them getting a top seat (Ferrari) or retaining even a sort of top seat (Mercedes) either! Yet for Schumi the arguments come thick and fast, and hope is not enough to support them. By all means, let him play in the Sauber (if he must), though. Edit: I realise my post doesn't follow Eric's "exactly" I do agree with his main line of thinking about mediocrity, though. I meant to quote my own post, honestly. I think everybody should read it twice to fully comprehend the complex ideas it contains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 Oh. I wondered if it was a joke but I just couldn't quite see it. Damn you and your subtle jokes! Next time use a different font or something. Now I feel stupid and angry. Eric, ban him. Of course, you could have just replied with HP and that would have had his brain cell tingling for ages Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 Of course, you could have just replied with HP and that would have had his brain cell tingling for ages Ex-squeeze me? It's half a brain cell! So there! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 Ex-squeeze me? It's half a brain cell! So there! No, I think you will find it is actally a whole brain cell, 50% output is good for you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LabradoRacer 2 Report post Posted October 5, 2012 Wonder if Kimi will make a move to Ferrari. I sure hope so. All will be revealed on Oct 17. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2012 It sounds like Narain Karthikeyan is staying with HRT in the body of the article, despite a headline over-dramatizing his contact with IndyCar teams. http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-f1s-karthikeyan-pondering-indycar-switch/ I realize this wasn't the thrilling news about 2013 anyone wanted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted October 8, 2012 Wonder if Kimi will make a move to Ferrari. I sure hope so. All will be revealed on Oct 17. My guess is Sauber or Williams with a huge sponsor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaky2 1 Report post Posted October 9, 2012 I think he's staying at Lotus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2012 I think he's staying at Lotus. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 9, 2012 It sounds like Narain Karthikeyan is staying with HRT in the body of the article, despite a headline over-dramatizing his contact with IndyCar teams. http://auto-racing.s...indycar-switch/ I realize this wasn't the thrilling news about 2013 anyone wanted. Disagree. I know they say no driver is bigger than the sport, but I feel with Narain that is the case. If he left, I'd probably lose all interest. Glad you posted it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2012 The never-reliable Will Buxton tweets (literally everyone I follow retweets everything he says...) that Sauber is getting an all-new, "exciting" driver lineup next year. Knowing Buxton, he likes rookies, and he likes GP2 drivers, so that could guide speculation as to where this is going. Knowing Buxton, he's probably also wrong. (Though truly I expect an all-new lineup myself, since Kobayashi's results haven't been good enough to make up for his lack of money, and Pérez is obviously moving up). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted October 15, 2012 As predicted in recent weeks: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19940929 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaky2 1 Report post Posted October 15, 2012 I'm glad for him. Hopefully the Sauber will at least be at this year's level Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2012 So that confirms Massa's return, then... Points scored in the last five races: 1. Vettel 93 2. Massa 56 3. Button 55 4. Räikkönen 51 5. Alonso 45 6. Hamilton 36 7. Webber 28 Point? No wonder they want to replace him with Vettel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2012 Point? No wonder they want to replace him with Vettel. No wonder they want to replace Massa's car with Vettel's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2012 That, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites