Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2016 Testing was a day of waste in terms of time, and money for Ferrari. Inexperienced Leclerc was testing aero, and then an old power unit gave up on them. Maranello being long way off, day was consequently a short one, as lousy weather wasn't cooperating anyway. Considering how (insanely) limited testing on track is, permissible development time was cut in half, so, it begs a question, was it worth the cost involved? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2016 2nd day of testing. Mercedes (Esteban Ocon, a development driver) in P1, Ferrari (Raikonnen, an active racer) in P2. The red car is slow, and I don't care what they were doing. Horner (parahprasing) - we (RBR) have now everything what Ferrari has, and more. Hmm, OK, then we should see RBR ahead of Ferrari for rest of the season, because RBR is favored on tracks ahead. Correction: Looks like Kimi made to the top after all by 0,5 sec. Printed resluts I've seen in media were obviously wrong, when editors were probably rushing to have a story out before the and of the test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Quote A British newspaper report claims that Sebastian Vettel insisted that Ferrari keep Kimi Raikkonen in the team for 2017. Rumors, factual or not, do persist, despite continuous denial by Ferrari camp. I didn't know Vettel yields such power... [/end of sarcasm] Are they trying to run defamation campaign on Vettel, that he fears competition, or what's behind this? Last year he was allegedly against hiring DR, and he was against Perez, geeez whizz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Use common sense Sakae, these are mind games from Vettel, not in a bad way, in a competitive way. He would've suggested to Ferrari to keep him as he knows he can beat kimi of he has to, someone else after 2014 would play on his mind as it would be an unknown and take his focus of his main job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Mind games? Vettel? News to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Let's be realistic, if you were Vettel and you know you can beat kimi and you get along with him well, why would you want another teammate you don't know if you will be faster than let alone work well with. Just takes unnecessary energy away from the task at hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 IMO, If Seb did made a call/request for Ferrari to retain Kimi, that should carry some weight. Why? look at what's happening with Mercedes when teammates does not get along? Ferrari likes Seb and they will have to at the minimun consider his request. It is after all can help team's harmony. History shows that Ferrari had more success when they have no.1 and no.2 drivers. Rubens, Massa in the past were no.2 to Schumy and Kimi respectively and they all won the Championships. That's why they retained Massa for longer than they should. Now it's Kimi's turn. And from Seb's standpoint, yes he would prefer Kimi as not only his friend but someone who would give way to him when the battle heats up. Kindda willing to become no.2. Look what happened when Seb teamed with Webber and Dan ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 6 hours ago, Emmcee said: Let's be realistic, if you were Vettel and you know you can beat kimi and you get along with him well, why would you want another teammate you don't know if you will be faster than let alone work well with. Just takes unnecessary energy away from the task at hand. Vettel is not Webber and alike. He reacted sometimes emotionally to underhanded behavior of his teammate, so much is true, but I am not aware that in past 10 years he would have engaged in obvious mind games on scale we see at Mercedes by Hamilton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 47 minutes ago, radical-one said: IMO, If Seb did made a call/request for Ferrari to retain Kimi, that should carry some weight. Why? look at what's happening with Mercedes when teammates does not get along? Ferrari likes Seb and they will have to at the minimun consider his request. It is after all can help team's harmony. History shows that Ferrari had more success when they have no.1 and no.2 drivers. Rubens, Massa in the past were no.2 to Schumy and Kimi respectively and they all won the Championships. That's why they retained Massa for longer than they should. Now it's Kimi's turn. And from Seb's standpoint, yes he would prefer Kimi as not only his friend but someone who would give way to him when the battle heats up. Kindda willing to become no.2. Look what happened when Seb teamed with Webber and Dan ? Fact is, Vettel is not alone calling on his pit-wall to get his slower teammate out of the way. DR has done it to Vettel when he thought he is faster, and Vettel let him, Hamilton has done it to Rosberg, and I am sure if we dig deep, we will find large number of such cases. Only one driver can be a WDC, and a team manager has to make a call at some point which of his drivers has best chance to get it. Horner hasn't done it in 2012, Webber turned against his teammate, supporting Alonso instead from competing team, and then he was surprised, that Vettel took a dim view of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 Exactly my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Sakae said: Fact is, Vettel is not alone calling on his pit-wall to get his slower teammate out of the way. DR has done it to Vettel when he thought he is faster, and Vettel let him, Hamilton has done it to Rosberg, and I am sure if we dig deep, we will find large number of such cases. Only one driver can be a WDC, and a team manager has to make a call at some point which of his drivers has best chance to get it. Horner hasn't done it in 2012, Webber turned against his teammate, supporting Alonso instead from competing team, and then he was surprised, that Vettel took a dim view of that. What is with the webber hate? I've shared my opinions on this before, it started in Turkey 2010 AND when webber was ahead in the championship by miles in 2010 the fact redbu and Sebastian didn't support him was sad. Very very lucky webber and alonso got stuck behind petrov because if alonso won the title in 2010 they would've looked like idiots throwing away the title all because they didn't want to back webber and get the job done sooner. So instead of an almost certain title, they risked it all and put it on luck so they both didn't have to help webber as all management wanted Seb to win to proove there driver program works. If you think Seb didn't play any mind games of Lewis's level your right, he was worse, multi 21 ring a bell? He was so full of it then that he even pretended to cry as he felt he feared for his life behind webber, anything to justify what he had just done as he imediatly knew he fvcked up. Yet he didn't fear for his life in the idiotic attempt to pass webber on the grass in Turkey, lucky this Seb isn't around anymore as I would still hate him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 Emmcee, explanation is much simpler than you think. It is a cause and effect relationship. Bashing Vettel (just as Kimi) is going on, mostly by Aussie and Brit media and fans for many years, and if you guys can dished out, you should be also strong enough to dish it in. I heard it all. Whining, complaining, cry baby, cheater, undeserving champion, now lobbyist to his advantage, and whatever else. It started with Webber, spilled with DR, and continues at Ferrari. Take notice when Vettel had a bad year, he was judged disproportionally on his whole life, and language used wasn't pretty, yet when DR ended up behind Kvyat, not a peep about his performance, but excuse after excuse was heard. Such is life, this why would you be surprised? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 Sakae, Ricciardo ended up 3 points behind kvyat and had more issues, the fact he was 14 points down going into the last race prooved as I stated many times before, when both redbull's had a trouble free weekend, Ricciardo would score more points and would usually finish ahead. Big difference being 60 odd points behind, a 4x champ, had the team moulded to your liking and zero wins to dans three, makes it un-comparable and people should be able to see it exactly how I described it and IMO if you can't I see it as biased as what I stated actually happens before all our eyes. With Seb and webber, It also started with the front wing incident at silverstone and I have solid info from a very well known source that states what was printed in the media about webber just handing over the new wing was bs, he had to, he had no say in the matter. No matter how any times people try to portray vettel's innocence in this I will never beleive it, your going to need proof from someone in the paddock at the time like I did for me to change my outlook on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 Seb had his issues in 2014, and had received no understanding whatsoever. Horner once wanted to talk about it, and was shouted down. I am getting tired of this topic. Moving on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 Where is Publius where one needs him; Italian media are continue to buzz about changes at the top, and all out meeting with Marchionne could be decisive in more than one point this season. Machine translate is simply not enough to handle fine nuances what's really going on at Maranello. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 12 hours ago, Sakae said: Seb had his issues in 2014, and had received no understanding whatsoever. Horner once wanted to talk about it, and was shouted down. I am getting tired of this topic. Moving on... I want to move on to but I got to address this as your not looking at the full picture correctly. Seb had a bad time in 2014 There's no denying that but the fact is he was there number one man, everything developed for him and him only, the second driver got the left overs or got the parts later. Now Seb having the issues he did, the team were consistantly changing chassis and replacing and components to give Seb the best chance, this and the fact he was a 4x champ and had the team and car built around him to suit his liking makes dans achievement even more incredible. Now moving on lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2016 Where are all friends of Ferrari? An acquittance of mine is on another forum, and he has observed, from buzzing community, it went almost overnight all quiet recently. Many people are nervous over Marchionne's next move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2016 Ferrari just needs to focus on the car nothing else. Everything is sorted now so why is there still an issue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2016 Marchionne called meeting with senior staff to find out what they think problems are, and where they are going from here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2016 Advisory role for Brawn? I think much better solution would be to have someone at the helm who knows the job inside out in the first place. Unfortunately, Ross, understandably, doesn't want full load anymore. I am skeptical of this approach. This is 24/7 job, and one has to soak it 24/7 to fully understand microorganism of the system, not just here and there to kibitz on the side lines. I like and respect Ross, but I hope he will decline. There is no Magic 1, and people on staff have to take responsibility for their work. I love this guy. Methodical, quiet approach, free of rhetoric! I am definitely not at his level, but on this, we are on the same page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2016 He won't come back, like mentioned, he doesn't want a full time role and why should he? He helped pull them out the crap before and showed them what has to be done and yet they have returned to there old ways, I would t be bothered either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2016 However, Money talks so we don't know when high figures comes into the table for negos. Perhaps Brawn is just playing hard to get to raise whatever offer comes his way.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2016 On 18 July 2016 at 4:41 PM, Sakae said: Wow - potential departure of Allison is not that surprising - rumors about Seb with Merc in 2018 are growing - Kimi might actually stay until 2019 Now we have some news! BTW, I do not see Key of TR replacing Allison. Not now. Due to gardening leave, it takes about 3 or 4 years before he would have impact on the car, and I doubt, that SM has that much patience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2016 Quote Influential and respected Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport reports, “Marchionne’s increasingly hands-on approach also appears to be the result of the fractious nature of the Ferrari hierarchy, with Marchionne’s relationships with team principal Maurizio Arrivabene and technical director James Allison having broken down.” “Now, likely to the irritation of Ferrari’s engineers, Marchionne is beginning to personally intervene in the technical and strategic decisions of the Sporting Management team,” the report revealed. This is no good, and as is prevalent in modern Canadian business, where bookkeepers and laywers are under impression they do know best how to run what is essentially an engineering organization, now he thinks he can run the F1 team? At corporate entities decisions are made on frontline by engineers, but in the F1 he is too close to the battlefield, and I doubt there is anyone who will tell him to get out of way. Long time ago I thought this man, in time, will wreck Ferrari, and I haven't changed my mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2016 Quote Brawn also backed top driver Sebastian Vettel’s current approach, which he says reminds him of how Schumacher operated at Ferrari. “It would be disastrous if Seb started to criticise the team externally,” he said. “I’m sure if he’s anything like Michael he’s very strong internally.” “He’s defending the team, he’s not being openly critical, he’s not winding things up so I think he’s taking the right approach,” Brawn added. My kind of Briton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites