Clicky

Jump to content

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Emmcee

2016 Ferrari

Recommended Posts

I'm not so sure, I mean Haas have just gone backwards this year, it's going to be hard for him to ever get back to his podium-Lotus days when you've got the likes of Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes (and Renault soon enough) pouring money into their development

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Has only Lack of experience they haven't developed at the rate of the front teams. More experience and they will gain the ground they've lost.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Unnamed engine specialist gathered data and executed analytical study at Singapore how much HP engines approximately producing. Conclusion - Mercedes could be exceeding 1000 HP. PU system is purportedly furnished with driver controlled power-mode button intended for use in qualifying, which is worth about extra + 80 Hp.

In no way there is fair fight on the track under those conditions, never-mind what Hamilton, Torger, or anybody else says; this is of course just my own view. How FiA with Whiting at the helm for F1 affairs together with FOM (12 votes out of 18 in SG) let this one happen, exceeds boundaries of my comprehension. Media can blah blah again how Hamilton blitzed the field, and how he wants to win "clean", not "dirty" (like Vettel).  Yeah, sure. Nothing wrong having such power advantage, but not under restrictive development conditions in place for past a few years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You know what I find interesting Sakae. When Vettel was winning, alot of uninformed people put it all down to Newey. Even Alonso made a crack about it. Hamilton/Nico are destroying everyone in a car so far ahead it makes you wonder why the other teams even bother to race. But........ where is all the noise about this then being down to the designers at Merc and not Hamilton's glorious talent? Funny that. People are fine to rip into Vettel when he had a less dominant car, but totally ignore the obvious that despite how good Hamilton is, the Merc is simply too good of a car.

Whatever. One more year and I'm done. Unless the Kimster decides to race on in 2018 lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, KoolMonkey said:

You know what I find interesting Sakae. When Vettel was winning, alot of uninformed people put it all down to Newey. Even Alonso made a crack about it. Hamilton/Nico are destroying everyone in a car so far ahead it makes you wonder why the other teams even bother to race. But........ where is all the noise about this then being down to the designers at Merc and not Hamilton's glorious talent? Funny that. People are fine to rip into Vettel when he had a less dominant car, but totally ignore the obvious that despite how good Hamilton is, the Merc is simply too good of a car.

Whatever. One more year and I'm done. Unless the Kimster decides to race on in 2018 lol

I would not like to create a false impression that I consider Hamilton incompetent as a driver, but with this kind of protected equipment disparity, situation begs a legitimate question, what's worth of his (all) trophies? The answer is pretty obvious, like it, or not. Formula Mercedes (and the others).

Raikonnen is already on the record, that he will race in 2018, if SF wants him. That might be bad news for Perez and some other drivers who were hoping to play musical chairs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can't fault GRO or Perez for wanting a drive at Ferrari. But realistically ALL drivers want to drive for Ferrari. There chance however aren't that good I feel. I think Sainz might be a better option. Perez isn't going to win Championships, he's going to be another Rubens/Massa. If they want that sure, but I just don't see it.

And GRO really must be dreaming if he thinks driving for Haas will give him a better shot at Ferrari. Honestly it won't make any difference.

Well if Kimi does well, then who knows maybe they will keep him around another year. It's sad this era of F1 is so tech dominant, and so restricted at the same time.

I'd dearly love to see Alonso, Button, Kimi and others race some proper V10s, with real downforce levels. Remove the gadgets and let them go for it. But we're in the Segway verseion of F1 now and it's only going to get worse. Way worse.

Hamiton won his Championships with the fastest car. For me what really stinks is that the other team are not allowed to catch up basically. All the tricky f**kery with front wings won't make any difference. They need to be able to work on the engines without restriction. Thus yes I agree it's a more hollow victory.

Who wants to be known to have won a boxing match where your openent was handcuffed, and had two thugs holding him down in the ring as you pounded away on him. Sure you won, but it was hardly and achievement. Hamilton clearly loves the fact no one is or can challenge him regardless of their skill level. We all knew years ago that Merc were going to win each year. When Vettel was winning it came down to the last couple of races. Despite RBR being dominant at times, it still felt like who didn't know who was going to win. Alonso!? Yep he won races. Webber too and other drivers. But now unless it's Merc crashing into and taking each other out, we all know whose going to win out of the teams. And the will it be Lewis or Nico thing is irrelevant. I don't feel any excitement there at all as to who wins. But I do smile more when Nico wins.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, KoolMonkey said:

I can't fault GRO or Perez for wanting a drive at Ferrari. But realistically ALL drivers want to drive for Ferrari.

Our friend Hamilton was quoted, most likely in order to differentiate himself, that he never dreamt about driving for Ferrari, and probably never will have desire to join them. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Sakae said:

I would not like to create a false impression that I consider Hamilton incompetent as a driver, but with this kind of protected equipment disparity, situation begs a legitimate question, what's worth of his (all) trophies? The answer is pretty obvious, like it, or not. Formula Mercedes (and the others).

Raikonnen is already on the record, that he will race in 2018, if SF wants him. That might be bad news for Perez and some other drivers who were hoping to play musical chairs.

Exactly, I agree with this 100%. I was going through the books last night and looking at past championship seasons. How spoilt we were when at least 2 drivers were fighting for a title and were from different teams. It was usually, Schumacher vs who ever is hot at the time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

GM247 - Ferrari

Quote

The updates are expected to be in the area of aerodynamics and cooling. Rain is expected during the race weekend, with thunderstorms being predicted for qualifying and race day

I am not sure whether new updates will shine through in thunderstorm, but we have to wait. RBR also praying for wet race. I would like to see some normlity again, with at least two cars, from diff. teams, will go wheel to wheel and have fun for couple of hours. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, Sakae said:

Our friend Hamilton was quoted, most likely in order to differentiate himself, that he never dreamt about driving for Ferrari, and probably never will have desire to join them. 

Hamilton has proven so many times he's a liar. I remember when he said that, and I immediately thought aha!, that's like when a girl gets dumped by a guy... the girls response is I didn't want to date him anyway.

If Ferrari had ever come calling, Hamilton would have jumped at the chance and we'd all be hearing how it was his life long dream, the heritage, Senna Senna Senna... the history blah blah blah.

It's also possible he knew that in order to drive for Ferrari he'd no longer be able F around, hit the party circuit or be so openly critical of his race engineers. Basically discipline sorts of issues. And thus in his mind, he comes away smelling like roses by then claiming he never wanted to drive for them anyway. BS. Senna drove for Ferrari. Like a cheap suit, he's attempted for years to paint himself as a Senna wannabee. You can't tell me that means he wouldn't want to race for Ferrari, but he knows they wouldn't tollerate his attitude, lying, and lack of discipline.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

HamilFackingTon would die just to drive with Ferrari. Ferrari would rather die than have a Hamilton drive for them.

There is no way that Ferrari would hire him. Lewis is a [email protected] with no class and he does not fit a Ferrari team. full stop.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Correction, I was wrong. Senna didn't in fact drive for Ferrari. But as Monty said a couple of years ago, he held talks with him to sign him only 4 day before his tragic passing.

But my point still stands with Hamilton. He's a chameleon. He's never stood for anything, let alone integritry or honesty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ferrari always wanted senna and rumour has it that if that tragic accident didn't happen, he was supposed to join Ferrari in 1996 not Schumacher. Now put that into perspective and think about how that would've effected formula one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Schumacher of course moved to Ferrari in 1996 (2 years after Senna), and won 3 races in that "junk" (as Irvine termed his machinery). Well, Seb emulated path of his friend last year with 3 wins. Whether Senna was going to shuffle to Ferrari, that I am not sure. Crown in my history with GP racing was the race in rain (in Spain). It was for me one of the most memorable races I have ever witnessed. Seb should try this weekend to do the same. Rain and generally foul weather is in forecast for the event. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Schumachers car control in that race all those years ago was just exceptional. 96,97,98 was schumi at his absolute best IMO. All the raw speed was there, it just hit it all the time on all cylinders. Senna and donington 93, these races are not available to us anymore due to such tight restrictions on the sport, there's no movement anywhere where talent and ability can fill the gap. That's because there not pushed enough now to have to exploit every loop hole. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's unbelievable how much nonsense there is written in media about Ferrari being in disarray in post-Alison era. Superficial guesswork, and a lot of gibberish in cyber space. None of those critics seems to have an iota of experience how an engineering body is functioning, nor they would know about a ripple effect, design momentum, etc. They brainlessly talking like everything changes overnight, from pure science and genius leadership to darkness, whereas in reality, as I think, Ferrari will suffer from Alison' legacy for months, before corrective directions can take effect. The guy ffs had about 2+ years to prove himself, and SF16 is his, and only his creation, do not make mistake about it.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In contrast, I think it is Ferrari who is getting rough because of his work; a car has received a lot of criticism from outside. If he was good enough to receive praise, on the same level he should hear all when car is not enough. Maranello cannot change him led design this year, because regulatory conditions aren't supportive of it, and they are picking (unjustly, I think) a lot of bad wind. Going back to old interviews, he was free to devote all of his focus onto SF16, and he led design of this car. I've never understood why he was excused of last year car, but whatever. SM, like him or not, I think saw this in the same light. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why though? If this years Ferrari is "his" work they should be very happy. Much better car than the last two seasons IMO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe so, but Is it enough? One of the axioms in F1 is, that being better from race to race is expected, but competition moves as well, and to get ahead, you need more of good stuff, and more often, assuming that fundamentals are correct. But are they? I read somewhere there are doubts about it, regardless of rhetoric for public consumption. Success of RBR also suggests otherwise. Murray used to say, if you don't improve, you are going backwards. I do not keep score on this, but there was more than one or two events this year, when upgrades clearly did not meet the expectations, which might have been the proverbial straw that broke camel's back. They keep this under the lid, but sooner or later we will know. All of this talk started by most recent articles talking about Ferrari being in disarray because Alison left. That sounds more of defamation of a team than anything of substance, and it is pretty stupid, IMO. Some individuals just cannot take it, that a team could function without certain people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The way Italian press is exploding, I would not be surprised if Vettel will be forced out from the team in December.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well he has made a few mistakes and pushes them blame away from himself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Sakae said:

The way Italian press is exploding, I would not be surprised if Vettel will be forced out from the team in December.

I can't see Ferrari getting rid of Vettel. The Tifosi and heck probably most Ferrari fans are not happy. Even though the media might be having a crack at him, they aren't that fickle. The team is a shambles. No wonder Allison left. Dear Leader Marchionne is the problem. Since he's taken a more hands on approach they've only gone backwards. Their pit strategies for some years now are always wrong. The car is not fast and they don't appear to have made up any ground to anyone. In fact Red Bull are faster. Replacing a driver isn't going to change anything.

Vettel being vilified for the first corner move at Sepang total hypocrisy when we've seen dodgy crap happen all year long with other teenie bopper drivers.

I think honestly Ferrari need to either get first row, or drop back from the 3-6 grid spots. It's just far too dangerous for both drivers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...