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2016 Monaco - Race. No. 6

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It's more of a tradition where rich and famous relaxing over a drink. Racing history - since 1950.

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You couldn't remove Monaco from the calendar, it's authentic and has roots to the beginning. Although the cars have long outgrew the circuit, it's a circuit where more driver skill is required than anywhere else and plays more on driver skill than anywhere else and horse power discrepancies are greatly minimised.

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You couldn't remove Monaco from the calendar, it's authentic boring and has roots to the beginning money. Although the cars have long outgrew the circuit, it's a circuit where more driver skill front wing is required than anywhere else and plays more on driver skill extracting cash from potential sponsors than anywhere else and horse power yacht-size discrepancies are greatly minimised.

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modified for correctness :-)

Well at least I know what you think of some of the greats who have won there, meh nothing to it hey?

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If you have ever raced the circuit on a decent simulator and nail the lap, it flows really well for a narrow tight street circuit. Your rewarded for bravery as the closer you get to the barriers, the faster you go as all the grip is in there, love fanging this track, one of my favourites actually.

Speaking of that, anyone here have a decent simulator? If you do, what have you got?

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Monaco has a very good atmosphere. Cars are so darn close to you, that your guts feeling it, and your buttock get some workout every time you get frightened that The End is coming (and then it passes)...

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Well at least I know what you think of some of the greats who have won there, meh nothing to it hey?

Nah, Piece of p**s, I've actually driven a lap of Monaco (albeit not when the F1 circus was in town) and it was in a tuned up-high spec car (OK, it was a VW Polo rental), but man, I tell you I almost got up to 180 (inches per second) in the tunnel....

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Back in 2007, I posted the following to this forum - sharing it again for the newbies (apols to the long suffering members who have seen it before):

A few weekends ago I was fortunate enough to have a long weekend in Nice, which is a fabulous place BTW. As it is only a short hop to Monaco and as an F1 fan of 34 years - well you've just got to go there, haven't you? smile.png We arrived and not satisfied with just being there and parking up, I did my (very sad) thing of driving around the path of the circuit. Yeah I know, but I'm not the first to have done it and sure as hell won't be the last. smile.png

Its always interesting to see the difference between what you see on the TV and real life - I feel I know the circuit so well from watching it on the TV, however the reality was different. Overall, two things are most obvious - a) the circuit is tiny and everything seems a lot smaller and shorter when you go around it and cool.png it is very tight, widthwise almost to the point of being claustrophobic - you are very aware of being in a narrow urban canyon.

Let me take you round the circuit: The main pit straight came as a real shock - I did not recognise it. You get so used to seeing the straight with trees and pits on the right and a slight bend. In reality, the left hand side is all offices and shops with big plate-glass windows; the right-hand side is a large expanse of wide pavement (or sidewalk smile.png )- stands to reason as they have to put the pits and pit lane boxes somewhere. I guess I was expecting something more permanent there, but again the narrowness is quite shocking and weirdly enough just behind the pavement is the stretch of the course from the swimming pool to the Rascasse so they are sandwiched in a *very* narrow area between two roads, all of which is only a handful of metres from the sea. You just don't realise how close the pit lane is to the sea. the other strange thing about the pit straight is that it is not (straight). It curves quite noticeably along its length - I always knew it was a bit bendy but again seeing it for real, the bend is very pronounced. Piling down this "straight" you come into St. Devote - I'm not surprised there are so many accidents there, the bend is quite sharp and I can imagine that one slight braking c#ck-up and you will be in the barrier a la Ralf. Up the (surprisingly steep) hill towards Massanet, this is very narrow - you are really aware of the both sides of the road pressing in on you. When they say that there are no overtaking opportunities, they ain't kidding! I couldn't help thinking of Senna vs Mansell as I drove up this stretch I was just trying to imagine the frustration of trying to get past.

The next stretch through Casino was quite bumpy and you are just aware of the buildings on either side pressing in. Then you drop down to Loews Hairpin - there is a slight flutter in your stomach as you do this as it is just such an iconic F1 corner. Its tight - even in a road car I ran wide; what I did not realise was that right on the tip of the curve is Loews Hotel and as you drive around it you look straight into their parking bay/reception - not expected. Down towards Portier - the view opens up of the sea as you come down the hill - this section is very short then hard right towards the tunnel. Now on the TV its seems to last forever, its quite small, again, but it does go dark very suddenly. On the right half-way along is an entrance to a multi-storey car park - you can see why this is the fastest part of the track, but also why there is no overtaking - whilst not as claustrophobic as some other parts, there is only fast line and it is still quite narrow. It would be a brave person who tried to overtake in here. Then to the chicane, which doesn't exist in real life - big expanse of tarmac. I went through the tunnel at about 40 mph and that was plenty fast enough, going through at 180 mph must take a lot of nerve, especially with the chicane at the end - hard, hard braking required.

Down to Tabac, very aware of the sea on your left, along through the swimming pool complex - this is so tight and at the speeds they drive, the stretches are very short (and the swimming pool is so dinky - aw bless!), down to the Rascasse, hard right, through Antony Noghes where Schui famously parked and back on pitlane smile.png This stretch from Tabac is hard work.... at F1 speeds, it must be constant changing direction, its really narrow (barely two car widths) and surprised me.

Overall it was interesting to do this. The first half of the track is more sweeping, the latter part is almost like a slalom exercise with a lot of driver input on steering, acceleration and brakes. No wonder Nigel Mansell always looked so knackered when he got out of the car!!!

I couldn't help thinking that modern F1 cars are almost too fast for this circuit now - you can imagine the cars of old belting around but with modern F1 engines, apart from pit straight and tunnel, every bit of the circuit was so short it must be constant foot, steering and gear work.

And as for driving around in the rain!!!!.........

Still an interesting place. Cheapest flats we saw for sale were 1.5 million euros (broom cupboard) and a nice one was a cool 7.5 million ohmy.png Think I'll wait until I move there.... :)

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On preferential front, sounds like only DR and Magnussen are getting upgraded Renault for the next race. I wonder had they asked Max about it, and he didn't want it.

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No, Max already expressed his delight with the new upgrade saying it's defiantly noticeable, apparently it's worth 35 horsepower.

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No, Max already expressed his delight with the new upgrade saying it's defiantly noticeable, apparently it's worth 35 horsepower.

Point being - he is not getting it. His teammate is.

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Yeah but Daniel is getting it at the worst circuit, how is it even going to be noticeable at Monaco? That so max can get it at Canada and romp away again? I really hope dan can stand up to max but it's going to be mega hard, harder than webber vs Vettel IMHO.

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Very hard to guess a winner, as it should be. 6 - 8 contenders in the play. Kimi might not be on the podium this time (I think he is better on speed circuits). Mercedes is still probably favorite, and for me it's a toss between RB and Ferrari for P3, assuming their tire related issues were resolved.

Rooting for Seb, and it should be OK on this circuit, if the car is up to it.

Tease:

Assuming Rosberg would end up in all following races in P2,

Sebastian would need to win next 10 successive races to move ahead of Rosberg (more of a tie)

Kimi would need to win next 6 successive races to move ahead of Rosberg (more of a tie)

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Iam going on a limb here and say redbull will be fastest with new upgrade, Merc with rosberg will be fighting the two Bulls as he always does well at Monaco and Lewis to scrap it out with both Ferrari's.

Just read,Renault claims new pu update worth 0.5 a lap, that's a massive claim.

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Monaco is a great day for American racing fans. You watch a historic GP in the morning, one of the truly great races of the world in the afternoon's Indy 500, and then, at night, you get the Coca-Cola 600, NASCAR's longest, most strategic race. I do a lot of complaining about modern motorsport, but May 29 will be one of the truly fun days of racing for me.

Of course, I'm too busy these days to enjoy all three flag-to-flag, but I hope to catch part of each. It's the 100th Running of the Indianapolis 500, so if any of you get a chance to check it out, I'd recommend it just for the fact it'll be once in a lifetime—and it may even have full grandstands this year for the first time in a while. A fun way to wind down after Monaco for those in European time zones who see Indy in the evening.

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Hinchcliffe was fastest for pre qualify wasn't he? The dude that almost got killed there last year?

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If you have ever raced the circuit on a decent simulator and nail the lap, it flows really well for a narrow tight street circuit. Your rewarded for bravery as the closer you get to the barriers, the faster you go as all the grip is in there, love fanging this track, one of my favourites actually.

Speaking of that, anyone here have a decent simulator? If you do, what have you got?

I wouldnt have thought there was such a thing. Sitting in front of a computer with a logitec steering wheel does not a simulator make.

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No but 8k worth of crap does though doesn't it? Know it all do you? Doesn't beat a dual shock controller does it?

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