Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2016 Pirelli are crap anyway, I brought a set for my wrx to see what all the hype was about, absolute crap, swapped them straight back to a set of potenza's. On the circuit, first time I took the wrx out with Pirelli's and they came up to temp real quick and I was excited immediately and very impressed, only to be shot down in a blaze of glory as they literally fell of the cliff in performance and much much earlier than the bridgestones I usually use. Couldn't brake as late or go as deep into the corner either with them utter garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2016 For years on my personal car I've used Good Year (happy with those), and then later when bought an upgrade, it had Michelins on them. Later on yet I took on Bridgestones, but fact is, I never could decide which are better. Bridge was just a shade more expensive, but performance wise, I could not complain about either. I guess on personal vehicle, as opposed to in racing, differences aren't that pronounced. I am still waiting when Hembery of even higher up someone will commit seppuku, or at least resign in shame due to facepalm stuff we see on the track. I do recall a case in US, when Firestone (subsidiary of Bridgestone) had a problem, failed to deliver a suitable tire for a race (similar to Michelin to the F1), and one of ranking executives in Japan consequently resigned. I guess Memo hasn't reached Pirelli guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Emmcee said: Pirelli are crap anyway, I brought a set for my wrx to see what all the hype was about, absolute crap, swapped them straight back to a set of potenza's. On the circuit, first time I took the wrx out with Pirelli's and they came up to temp real quick and I was excited immediately and very impressed, only to be shot down in a blaze of glory as they literally fell of the cliff in performance and much much earlier than the bridgestones I usually use. Couldn't brake as late or go as deep into the corner either with them utter garbage. +100 I used pirelli once only once and sold it after 200KM becuase of vibrations that can't be resolved by balancing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2016 I wished I lived in Japan, then finally I'd have a good tuner to work on my 33. Here in Aus I went to three tuners as I has a boost flat spot and all three couldn't fix it and each of th had it for the whole day. Found one dude that found the issue and fixed it in 45 mins and didn't even need to put it in the dyno. I want a decent tuner and there all in Japan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 You got that right. All my friends outside of work are mechanics and car racers/enthusiast, fun people. I do all my car maintenance at home. Mechanics come to my place and do it all on weekends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Well the idiot that had the car before me, piggybacked the ecu with some home made crap and my car kept thinking it was going flat out all the time, therefore the timing was way out and air and fuel mixtures, so much better now, goes harder on less boost than before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 ECU mods in Japan is beyond great ! I did with all my cars and they're all perfect ! Torque gains and fuel consumption were all impeccable ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Yeah well over here most of the tuners are backyard Cowboys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 come on up here mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Wonder if I can bring my ecu with me to Japan, get it mapped properly, bring it home, fit it and then dyno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 I am encountering difficulties with following various discussions these days, because software will not permit me going back in thread, and read all preceding post, thus context of a first post at the top of new page is in most cases lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2016 Can't you go back to the main menu and just elect the previous page instead of the latest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2016 Yep. this "updated" version s@cks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2016 On 14 July 2016 at 9:03 PM, Emmcee said: Can't you go back to the main menu and just elect the previous page instead of the latest? Yes you can, predicated on a condition that you actually see it. Sily season currently has 17 pages, but one can see only first four pages and the last one. Page 16 is not loading up on my notebook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2016 Am I the only one who see this tire selection process by Pirelli per track totally bogus? Why would a tire company take strategy of tire selection out of team hands? Who is there to guarantee, that they aren't manipulating racing results by means allocating tires for specific tracks which favors certain teams, while others have difficulties due to specific vehicle engineering? New headlines announcing that Pirelli choosed today tires for Brazil, but this begs a question, why Pirelli have to do that, and why this choice is made so late in the season, when vehicle characteristics of each team are known to them? Proper solution would be to let teams choose any tire they wish (on a sufficient lead time for manufacturing, of course). Optics seems not entirely right about this process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Sakae said: Am I the only one who see this tire selection process by Pirelli per track totally bogus? Why would a tire company take strategy of tire selection out of team hands? Who is there to guarantee, that they aren't manipulating racing results by means allocating tires for specific tracks which favors certain teams, while others have difficulties due to specific vehicle engineering? New headlines announcing that Pirelli choosed today tires for Brazil, but this begs a question, why Pirelli have to do that, and why this choice is made so late in the season, when vehicle characteristics of each team are known to them? Proper solution would be to let teams choose any tire they wish (on a sufficient lead time for manufacturing, of course). Optics seems not entirely right about this process. You make a good point there mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I know this may sound silly but why not use one type of compound for each - Wet, Intermediates, Slick. ( no soft, super soft, and all that crap) Unlimited number of tires available each race. You can change tires as much as you want or not change tires at. It's up to each team/driver's strategy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 Why not allow cars to run two different compounds like they do in MotoGP? Like you could run super softs on the front and just softs on the rear for example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 Again at Interlagos Pirelli showed how sub-parr their tires are in the rain. Cars all over the place. Pirelli tyres can also be the culprit of Jules accident in Suzuka. Kimi, Grosjean and others knows what I'm talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 Yep agree, they have had yonks to sort there crap out. Bring back Bridgestone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 Yes. With Bridgestones they race in the wet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 I bet Takumi Fujiwara doesn't use Pirelli's lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2016 LOL I agree. He probably use Dunlops or Bridgestones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2016 Bridgies all the way bro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unknown? 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2016 Whilst I'm no fan of Pirelli, to blame Jules' death on them is grossly unfair imo. He died in a freak accident underneath a recovery vehicle, something Martin Brundle had been warning of for YEARS as he himself nearly died in a similar accident. Drivers have been spinning and sliding off the track since F1 began, regardless of the supplier. I absolutely agree the current tyres are laughable and a safety car start completely sterilises the race. Wet tyres should be able to handle wet weather. You know something is fundamentally wrong when the race starts under the safety car due to rain, the car comes in after 5 laps, followed by drivers switching to inters within 2 laps. Something is wrong either with the trigger happy safety car, the poor quality Pirelli wet tyres, or both. For one of the first times last weekend I began seriously questioning why I bother to religiously follow F1 when it has become so sterile. I love the sport but man alive it needs an overhaul top to bottom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites