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Should Ross Brawn return to F1 and which team?

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Too much rumors going on that we can't deny the fact that F1 kindda need Ross' return to F1.

But which team suits him best, a team that is mid field to be developed or top team that is underperforming ?

 

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As much as I wish it could be done, rule book cannot be thrown away on a whim. Replacing remnant of MM loyalists in F1 wings is not a such bad idea, and fresh blood could be refreshing. JT is actually not as bad as it making out to be, but he has surrender a lot of his control to FOM, which was retrospect an error, but that was due to problems with cash flow F1 had. I would nominate RB as a sport F1 commissioner, who attends issues of sport on full time basis on behalf of FiA, something which is not humanly possible for JT, making new race control, new stewards, and rest of them accountable to him. I am not sure if they kissed and made up, but Ross and Ecclestone did not see eye to eye, when he was active in F1.

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48 minutes ago, KoolMonkey said:

Brawn to replace Todt, fire Charlie and abolish the current rules. That's where he needs to be!

not bad

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Ross Brawn is an absolute disgrace on this sport.  Have you seen what he did on a public roadway?  Ross's head is clearly not in it.  He's distracted by all his rapper friends and his dreams of being a hip-hop artist and his ex-girlfriend and the models and is probably on cocaine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8238667.stm

Oh, wait.  Ross is an old, white man.  It's only a problem when Lewis Hamilton gets traffic tickets, and we only get to jump to crazy conclusion when it is Lewis Hamilton.  Never mind!

Anyway, I find it tiring that the answer for motor racing fans (not just F1) is always to go backward.  "Bring back the old team bosses!  Bring back the old drivers!  Bring back the old tracks!  Bring back the old engines!" and so forth.  I think F1 is stale enough as it is without yet another comeback from Ross.  F1 needs changes, but I think it needs to change into something new—a modern take on some of the core elements of F1.  I just cannot get on-board with the, "Everything will be okay with the 1997 rules and Ross and Flavio and Ron and Our Jenson getting another seven years and bringing the British Grand Prix back to Aintree" school of thought.

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@Massa - I got a speeding ticket, and more than once, but never-mind. With Ross Brawn it is not a moment of nostalgia for old good times, not in my case anyway when we are talking about Ross, but recognition, that F1 might need in certain position a "wise man with deep insight", and Ross fits in, at least in IMO. I am not so sure that he would be a good TP, but he could do some good to calm waters, and interject greater synergy into the system as a FiA man. With respect to need for new blood, we do not know each other for too long in cyber space, but I am of the same opinion for many years, as stated on other forums, now closed. 

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BRAWN TO RUN ENTIRE F1. GET RID OF BERNIE. 

 

Could you imagine the spectacle f1 could be with the ideas from an engineer with the capacity he had? Mind boggling.

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With all due respect to Ross, and I am saying this as someone who never felt acrimonious towards him, but he is not qualified to run modern F1 (IMO, of course).

 

These days a steering committee is what a doctor prescribed. It's too much for a one person. (Commerce and development of new markets, Promotions, and Regulatory). No less than 3 - 5 guys.

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Perhaps F1 is lacking experienced bosses like Ferrari and really needs an older guy like Brawn to bring back the excitement. 

Going back to older drivers , Bosses, rules doesn't necessarily mean going backwards. I see it as going back to the roots and basics of what it used to be when it was good. Just the same, new things and guys doesn't necessarily bring in good results to the sports.

Old doesn't mean bad specially when we choose the good old guys and ways....

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7 hours ago, Sakae said:

With all due respect to Ross, and I am saying this as someone who never felt acrimonious towards him, but he is not qualified to run modern F1 (IMO, of course).

 

These days a steering committee is what a doctor prescribed. It's too much for a one person. (Commerce and development of new markets, Promotions, and Regulatory). No less than 3 - 5 guys.

What you mean not "qualified" anything has to be better than the rotting coruption involved now.

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Ross was good, very good actually, under former conditions, to run pit-wall, and certain activities inside of the red team. He was undeniably lucky with Honda cash, car design, and Mercedes motor in 2009, but, red team had more players who held their hands in Ferrari success besides Ross. We do not know much about him, but based on what we do know, in long term, as a replecement for BE, he would have to hire several specialists working on the issues FOM is facing, because one for one against Ecclestone, Ross is lacking. Ecclestone grew into his role over several decades, slowly evolving into what and where he is now, but Ross doesn't has the same luxury, he would have to hit ground running, and that might be a problem. Well, this is an empty chat, because job wasn't offered. For my money I thought LdM would be right for the job, but Ferrari already blocked his nomination once. 

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If Brawn was going to stay in Formula One, he would have kept going with the Championship winning team that had his name on it. That is kind of the ultimate F1 experience, having your own team. He did have that.....and walked away from it. One of the odder things I have seen in F1 (and there have been a lot of odd things in F1).  

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I am having serious difficulties envision RB and SM working side by side, without one interrupting the other every 5 minutes.

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There's no strategic element for Ross to come back anyway, it's not like it was when he was around with fuel stops also needed and added an extra element of strategy. With today's ban on radio contact and lack of room to "stretch your legs" so to speak, he will never come back. That's why Adrian Newey has a more relaxed role now, less that he can do.

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11 hours ago, Ruslan said:

If Brawn was going to stay in Formula One, he would have kept going with the Championship winning team that had his name on it. That is kind of the ultimate F1 experience, having your own team. He did have that.....and walked away from it. One of the odder things I have seen in F1 (and there have been a lot of odd things in F1).  

Ross didn't walk, he was knifed. Merc started double hiring people and had Paddy and Toto waiting to take control of the team after Brawn had spent some years building it up. One could argue they even stole it. I don't blame Brawn for leaving at that point, because they were doing all they could to push him out. That's one underlying reason why many of us want him back so badly at Ferrari so that he can built them back up and then be able to stick it to Merc.

Sakae, yes this I feel is correct. Brawn will not go back to Ferrari I think due to Marchionne. He's not stupid. He can see Marchionne is the real problem at Ferrari and from the looks of things it's going to get worse. The more hands on Marchionne is, the more Ferrari are going to suffer.

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Seb is defusing whole situation with laugh, saying, that the team has sufficient depth of house-grown young experts. Crises are merely media created, but unreal.

That's what I got from it (and hopefully right).

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Well he knows if he is a Ferrari driver to speak against the team, he knows what happens but a lid can only be kept on for so long.

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 I am increasingly under impression, that you do not know much who Vettel really is as a private person.

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Clearly not as much as you do, that's all you ever talk about, you make it out like his sh17 doesn't stink, he can't do no wrong in your eyes and every time your criticise a driver, Vettel has done it in the past and even on a more ridiculous level yet you turn a blind eye to it and critise others for it. I know Vettel copped a lot but he also did a lot TO cop it. I like your posts sakae but as soon as someone says anything YOU think is negative on Vettel, i say it like that because posts have gone under assumptions numerous times because you fail to see it any other way, you jump down there throat, most of the time it's an opinion and that's all it is, you need to chill out mate. 

Now ow back to the original post, what makes you think Vettel can say what he likes about the team yet others couldn't and after all that was apparently alonso's undoing, getting fired from a team who wanted to maintain him for atleast another 3 years, because like Prost, spoke out against Ferrari, yet Vettel is allowed? Sorry Iam probably just jumping to conclusions here.

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Well, no need for long, and rather puzzling reply. You've accused Vettel from towing some PR line just to save his skin, whereas I am saying, you are wrong. Had you pay attention through his career, Vettel will say whatever he thinks he needs or want to say, and than he deals with it. That's how he is, and he has proven that repeatedly. I know, it is somewhat different from some other guys you know, but that's not him.

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6 hours ago, Sakae said:

Well, no need for long, and rather puzzling reply. You've accused Vettel from towing some PR line just to save his skin, whereas I am saying, you are wrong. Had you pay attention through his career, Vettel will say whatever he thinks he needs or want to say, and than he deals with it. That's how he is, and he has proven that repeatedly. I know, it is somewhat different from some other guys you know, but that's not him.

He is and as much as you don't want to admit it, that's the truth and if you think he says whatever he wants whenever without taking the image of Ferrari into concideration, then iam sorry but your wrong, you should agree with that otherwise it doesn't make him look so commited to the job if he does as you mention. He may push the boundaries of what's socially acceptable but no means has he stepped over it, yet. But that's my opinion go on and tell me my opinion is wrong or jump to the conclusion that it's some well strategised attack of your beloved Sebastian.

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On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 8:49 PM, KoolMonkey said:

Ross didn't walk, he was knifed. Merc started double hiring people and had Paddy and Toto waiting to take control of the team after Brawn had spent some years building it up. One could argue they even stole it. I don't blame Brawn for leaving at that point, because they were doing all they could to push him out. That's one underlying reason why many of us want him back so badly at Ferrari so that he can built them back up and then be able to stick it to Merc.

He sold the team to Mercedes after his winning 2009 season and then stayed on. I was mystified why he ever sold it, instead of just running a "Brawn Team."  Granted, may not have made as much money, but would have been your own boss and had your own team. That counts for a lot.

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It's to much work and stress, look how hard he found it getting sponsors and its Ross brawn. Anyone with interest in f1 have atleast heard the name and that didn't even count for much. It was a fairytale and for that I believe it was sold at the right time to as he now holds a record that in all honesty most likely will be ever repeated, a championship in there first and only attempt.

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