Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 30, 2017 http://members.f1-life.net/report/51763/ then this... http://www.racer.com/f1/item/139206-kaltenborn-sauber-not-open-to-honda-switch Is actually Honda ready to expand their production and take more teams on board? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 Tough situation for both Honda and McLaren. There isn't any easy way out for both, I say they have to work out their solutions and not look elsewhere. They have to work their problems at hand at least until the end of season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, radical-one said: Tough situation for both Honda and McLaren. There isn't any easy way out for both, I say they have to work out their solutions and not look elsewhere. They have to work their problems at hand at least until the end of season. Agree. Has McLaren actually provided assurances they will not seek a new supplier for period of their contract with Honda (10 years)? A lot of usual bloated rhetoric. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2325369/McLaren-announce-Honda-engine-deal-2015.html How times change. Quote It became obvious at Silverstone that cracks are appearing in the relationship between McLaren and Honda - just seven months into a 10-year contract. http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/33479911 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, Sakae said: Agree. Has McLaren actually provided assurances they will not seek a new supplier for period of their contract with Honda (10 years)? A lot of usual bloated rhetoric. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2325369/McLaren-announce-Honda-engine-deal-2015.html How times change. http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/33479911 Why McLaren should stick with Honda power http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/599551/Why_McLaren_should_stick_with_Honda_power/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, radical-one said: Why McLaren should stick with Honda power http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/599551/Why_McLaren_should_stick_with_Honda_power/ An answer to this proposition should be IMO determined only after all parties involved stay assured, that convergence with the grid will be archived prior next moratorium on engine development. (Something that was discussed last year as cost down measure.) I am hoping that Honda will be ultimately successful in this project, however is time they need so badly on their side? I am not sure that we know that. Today is a crucial meeting in Paris about direction F1 motors will take in next CA cycle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Sakae said: An answer to this proposition should be IMO determined only after all parties involved stay assured, that convergence with the grid will be archived prior next moratorium on engine development. (Something that was discussed last year as cost down measure.) I am hoping that Honda will be ultimately successful in this project, however is time they need so badly on their side? I am not sure that we know that. Today is a crucial meeting in Paris about direction F1 motors will take in next CA cycle. I saw some highlight motor sports news 2 days ago where Honda spokesman said - They are committed to F1 until they succeed even if they have to acquire an F1 team for themselves/works team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, radical-one said: I saw some highlight motor sports news 2 days ago where Honda spokesman said - They are committed to F1 until they succeed even if they have to acquire an F1 team for themselves/works team. Now that's what I call determination (and surprising announcement)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 I wouldn't call it an announcement but rather a Comment but yeah it's from Honda personnel during cable TV interview among other GT team interviews. I am guessing, they may be hinting Sauber ? I'm sure Honda mgmt isn't playing dead without backup in case McLaren decides to use other engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, radical-one said: I wouldn't call it an announcement but rather a Comment but yeah it's from Honda personnel during cable TV interview among other GT team interviews. I am guessing, they may be hinting Sauber ? I'm sure Honda mgmt isn't playing dead without backup in case McLaren decides to use other engine. I am somewhat familiar with Japanese long terms planning habits, impressive as they are. It would greatly surprise me if current scenario wasn't considered prior re-entering series 3 or 4 years ago. Surely there is a plan b, c, ..whatever, and despite we aren't privy to those, I am sure we will learn when time comes. There is however one new economic factor which could make difference and almost no one predicted, namely a lot of poisonous noise in global trading. Team's budget for Honda (actually all of them) might be slashed, we just do not know as yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, Sakae said: I am somewhat familiar with Japanese long terms planning habits, impressive as they are. It would greatly surprise me if current scenario wasn't considered prior re-entering series 3 or 4 years ago. Surely there is a plan b, c, ..whatever, and despite we aren't privy to those, I am sure we will learn when time comes. There is however one new economic factor which could make difference and almost no one predicted, namely a lot of poisonous noise in global trading. Team's budget for Honda (actually all of them) might be slashed, we just do not know as yet. True. That is similar to any company car, manufacturing, financial,etc. Reputation risk is always a b1tch. That's why Honda is keeping it civil, cool, and committed despite Mclaren side making a big fuzz / cry babies about this whole deal. A well mannered matured approach is what Honda is doing. Hope McLaren do the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, radical-one said: True. That is similar to any company car, manufacturing, financial,etc. Reputation risk is always a b1tch. That's why Honda is keeping it civil, cool, and committed despite Mclaren side making a big fuzz / cry babies about this whole deal. A well mannered matured approach is what Honda is doing. Hope McLaren do the same. I am sorry but I doubt that. Meanwhile... Quote F1 » Alonso pleased to see Ferrari competitive, winning races again Read more at http://www.crash.net/f1/news/243196/1/alonso-pleased-to-see-ferrari-competitive.html#h6ekTKGHh0VCXG9H.99 Member's total reputation Very moving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 Nice to see someone honest in f1 for a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted April 5, 2017 HASEGAWA: WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASY I am begging to like this Yusuke Hasegawa. He talks like an honest engineer whose work is encountering a few problems, but he is still at it. My kind of a person. Sort of Vettel on engineering side. Quote What we achieved in mono-cylinder is at a very good level, but when we transfer exactly the same specification to the V6 engine it doesn't work. We are very disappointed. But it was too late that we noticed that – at Christmas If memory serves me, something similar happened to Renault and Illien. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 Y. Hasegawa is facing/sorting their issues like a real man - with honor and dignity whether they succeed or fail. He's not the type of person who points his finger just to save face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 11:18 PM, Emmcee said: Lmao, show me where this is. Iam sure many would go naturally aspirated if they had free reign to do as they please. But the rules state that it must be a 1.5l v6 hybrid turbocharged power unit. Sorry I were NOT aware at the time that it clearly does state. HOWEVER it is STILL ambiguous, I`m thinking, ** 1.5l v6 hybrid turbocharged power unit IS ambiguous It CLEARLY does NOT define WHEN the turbocharge HAS to function as long as long as the PU IS turbo charged IF the turbo WERE say operated by a SWITCH (also ambiguous) The PU would be consistent, with turbo charged!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 On 31/03/2017 at 10:33 AM, radical-one said: I saw some highlight motor sports news 2 days ago where Honda spokesman said - They are committed to F1 until they succeed even if they have to acquire an F1 team for themselves/works team. I thought that McLaren are SUPPOSED to be, the works team!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 They are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, radical-one said: They are not. Are you sure about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 1 hour ago, lipstick79 said: Sorry I were NOT aware at the time that it clearly does state. HOWEVER it is STILL ambiguous, I`m thinking, ** 1.5l v6 hybrid turbocharged power unit IS ambiguous It CLEARLY does NOT define WHEN the turbocharge HAS to function as long as long as the PU IS turbo charged IF the turbo WERE say operated by a SWITCH (also ambiguous) The PU would be consistent, with turbo charged!!! Turbo can't simply work on a switch mate, the discrepancies in performance would be rediculous and besides you can't have a turbo and naturally aspirated car built into one, it has to be full time turbo or nothing. See a naturally aspirated car gets its Air Force fed threw induction into the air box. Where as a turbo creates its performance by running of the exhaust gasses. So you have to tune an na engine to cope with making its own combustion instead of sucking it up from outside the engine bay. Another reason why the turbo can't be switch activated is that it needs to spool up to create boost, the longer you let it spool, the bigger the performance gain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 If they are, why would McLaren have the courage to talk to other engine supplier? McLaren is not Honda and they are not Works. Same as McLaren Mercedes.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 No there not but I've always wondered why they haven't given it a go at making there own engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 30 minutes ago, radical-one said: If they are, why would McLaren have the courage to talk to other engine supplier? McLaren is not Honda and they are not Works. Same as McLaren Mercedes.... RD wanted exclusivity for McLaren. Even not too long ago McLaren was at it again, that you are not going to win with a customer engine. (Dubious, and not really a proven claim). McLaren denied any talks to other suppliers. I do not believe them, but that's what they said. Contract between McLaren and Honda, as admitted by McLaren, has several milestone dates with clauses permitting them to re-negotiate partnership, and even end it, if they deem conditions permit. First one of those, as I understand it, will come up end of this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sakae said: RD wanted exclusivity for McLaren. Even not too long ago McLaren was at it again, that you are not going to win with a customer engine. (Dubious, and not really a proven claim). McLaren denied any talks to other suppliers. I do not believe them, but that's what they said. Contract between McLaren and Honda, as admitted by McLaren, has several milestone dates with clauses permitting them to re-negotiate partnership, and even end it, if they deem conditions permit. First one of those, as I understand it, will come up end of this year. That's probably why the comment from the Honda team as I saw on tv last time. Perhaps it's decided to break the agreement (Works or Non-works). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, Sakae said: RD wanted exclusivity for McLaren. Even not too long ago McLaren was at it again, that you are not going to win with a customer engine. (Dubious, and not really a proven claim). McLaren denied any talks to other suppliers. I do not believe them, but that's what they said. Contract between McLaren and Honda, as admitted by McLaren, has several milestone dates with clauses permitting them to re-negotiate partnership, and even end it, if they deem conditions permit. First one of those, as I understand it, will come up end of this year. Yep, this is bang on, I also heard the condition of Honda's and mclaren's relationship is exclusiveness of only supply mclaren with there engine. It's to keep the whole "mclaren Honda" aura of the senna days. All well and good but if mclaren doesn't get the results, it doesn't pay the bills so to speak does it? I beleive they even knocked back redbull when it was going through that whole "hoohaa" jargon with Renault, redbull apparently looked at every option or possibility and just swapping badges seems to have helped tremendously. Seriously, what's TH doing anyway badging and engine? Is this to trick customers into thinking they'll always be ahead of time? Can see the sales pitch now "be ahead of the pack and be ahead of time with this f1 styled watch by TH". See brainwashed fans walk into the watch shop like zombies lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 RE :...RD wanted exclusivity for McLaren. Even not too long ago McLaren was at it again, that you are not going to win with a customer engine. (Dubious, and not really a proven claim). >Dude, I disagree the proof is on the track Recent winners Ferrari - NOT a customer engine Mercedes - NOT a customer engine Renault - NOT a customer engine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites