rodders47 2 Report post Posted March 18, 2017 I sure would love to see Cosworth back on the grid with a very competitive engine, which we all know they can build, given enough money. Just the recovery system that would pose a bit of a problem I suspect, but as for power out of the ICE I am sure they would surpass Merc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2017 Isn't that the only issue Honda is also facing? Struggling either hybrid side of things? Doesn't proove anything, we all saw the type of engines Honda can build in the NA formula and look at them now, se as cosworth, last time they were in, they had a torrid time with reliability, just ask mark webber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2017 11 hours ago, rodders47 said: I sure would love to see Cosworth back on the grid with a very competitive engine, which we all know they can build, given enough money. Just the recovery system that would pose a bit of a problem I suspect, but as for power out of the ICE I am sure they would surpass Merc. Cosworth surpassing Merc? Easier said than done. Ferrari and RB has been trying to match let alone surpass Merc for 4 years now and suddenly Cosworth will ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2017 YES Cosworth WILL be the Solution to surpass the Mercedes dominance They ARE ready to fly McLaren-Honda NEED what Cosworth HAVE - Time is running out Honda WILL lose-face in Japan WITHOUT Cosworth Can`t they see that!!! www.2say2u.co.uk Bringing people together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2017 Nigel, what are you up to this time in here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2017 radical-one Ferrari and RB has been trying to match let alone surpass Merc for 4 years now and suddenly Cosworth will ? You are obviously confused, with little understanding There is a difference between PU and race team Red bull are a race team - they do not construct a PU So how you can use them as a comparrison is baffeling Cosworth HAVE developed THEIR PU with similar research to Mercedes They just don`t have a team or the finances to put it on track. Honda SHOULD use their ICE www.2say2u.co.uk Bringing people together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 What makes you so certain that cosworth are going to be better than Honda? Last Time they were in f1 I'm a decent team was 2006 with Williams where mark webber had dnf's in 10 out of the 17 races mainly due to poor reliability from cosworth. If anything, Honda has a way more proven success rate than cosworth and has titles and wins to prove it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodders47 2 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 Cosworth do power one hell of a lot of US race cars Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 So does Honda in Indy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 key words - yes, they do, but not racing hybrids Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 That's the part that seems to get them hey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 8 hours ago, Emmcee said: What makes you so certain that cosworth are going to be better than Honda? Last Time they were in f1 I'm a decent team was 2006 with Williams where mark webber had dnf's in 10 out of the 17 races mainly due to poor reliability from cosworth. If anything, Honda has a way more proven success rate than cosworth and has titles and wins to prove it. ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 14 hours ago, lipstick79 said: radical-one Ferrari and RB has been trying to match let alone surpass Merc for 4 years now and suddenly Cosworth will ? You are obviously confused, with little understanding There is a difference between PU and race team Red bull are a race team - they do not construct a PU So how you can use them as a comparrison is baffeling Cosworth HAVE developed THEIR PU with similar research to Mercedes They just don`t have a team or the finances to put it on track. Honda SHOULD use their ICE nope. YOU are confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 Look at the FACTS, I CLEARLY am NOT confused Red Bull Racing - the TEAM powered by Renault PU www.2say2u.co.uk Bringing people together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 You have two teams, a "works team" like Ferrari,Mercedes, Renault who build there own power units along with the rest of the car. Then you have customer teams like redbull,Williams etc etc, who are customers who purchase the engines of the works teams, that's the point I think he is trying to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 Just to, spice things-up (and make Honda get their act together). WHY don`t, Suzuki provide an engine for a team Has somebody like Sauber, Force-India ... Explored the option? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 On 20/03/2017 at 6:52 AM, rodders47 said: Cosworth do power one hell of a lot of US race cars That IS because Cosworth HAVE researched & developed LIKE Mercedes FOR the new formula 1 IF McLaren BUY what IS left of Cosworth give the ideas/solution to Honda Honda WILL finally perform in F1!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Are you 100% certain on this? Because Honda have been working on the engine for quite a while to. Plus they won a race and were extremely competitive as an engine supply just ten years ago so I can't see this "edge". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, lipstick79 said: Just to, spice things-up (and make Honda get their act together). WHY don`t, Suzuki provide an engine for a team Has somebody like Sauber, Force-India ... Explored the option? Suzuki? F1 - 2017 /18? So we kindda just throw in any company there whether they like it or not huh ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 Zak Brown is a director of Cosworth. They had a 1.5L variant of their 2.5L CA Series engine [complete with KERS] ready to rock as the hybrid era dawned. They have continued a limited R&D programme for niche market powertrains since that time. I would say Honda are further along than Cosi but they are not the powertrain partner McLaren need. Cosi are nimble, flexible with a ton of experience in F1. Honda seem to be a day late on everything and don't possess the expertise required at this level of the sport. As I said three years ago - the partnership was doomed at the concept stage. Why the McLaren Automotive division aren't involved in this is beyond me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 Well, maybe so, but I would like to have confirmation first that Honda is not going to make it. Progression through races could be a good yardstick, which would allow us by summer break to ponder future of this union, with Cosworth or some other engine supplier. Money Honda is pouring in left and right seems pretty good, and one wonders what would happened with them without Honda agreeing to this marriage. McLaren without sponsor (and cash), Cosworth without funds... I am struggling to envision huge success based on that scenario. There is an emotional vision, and then there is a pragmatic vision. I still believe that Honda will make it, however should rupture occur, I would not be surprised to learn that one of the current boys on the grid being forced to give them PU. For Cosworth to jump in and be competitive in 2018, that is difficult to visualize. Moreover, where is the cash cow to replace Honda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 If Honda go, as I am sure they will it will cost $1m plus in severance. Maybe more. That will help with engines. Ford have a stake in the Cosworth niche engine program and that will provide further support. Otherwise, it's back to Germany. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 Wonder if Ferrari would supply them? No different than if Mercedes did, then you would have a mclaren Ferrari lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites