rodders47 2 Report post Posted July 23, 2017 What is everyones thoughts on this Halo thing. I have some doubts about it's effectiveness and also the Crash aspects of the whole thing. At the moment the top of the tub and the roll over bar protect the driver, but as this HALO is bolted, or it appears that way, to the tub what will stop it from being ripped off in a severe roll over and becoming more of a projectile to wipe out the drivers head ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted July 23, 2017 The halo is better than the shield. Having said that, it is a step in the wrong direction stylistically, which is to say, who cares compared to other regulations that are totally wrecking F1. So, bring it on, I say. The guys might as well be safer while they are preoccupied "looking after their tires" and such other imbecilities instead of pushing to the limit lap after lap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Publius Cornelius Scipio 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2017 I'd be extremely uncomfortable in driving a car with the Halo, one the one hand it is a focus point in the field of vision of the drivers and I'd be afraid that if I rolled the car it would be more difficult to get out (or to pull me out if I had passed away). In fairness when they introduced the HANS I thought that it was dangerous because you could no longer turn your head easily and it limited quite significantly what you could see out of a car. I changed my mind about the HANS, I fear I won't change my mind about the Halo (I have been pulled from a car that was slowly catching fire while I was unconcious, I don't think that it would have been so quick with the Halo) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted July 27, 2017 I agree that it looks ghastly and seems really uncomfortable for driving, but I guess practice will make drivers ignore its presence. As for the safety issue, these cars are not the flammable tank on wheels they used to be. Nowadays it's more of a hazard a hit to the head a la Bianchi or Grosjean trying to shave Alonso's head than a car fire. Then again, I am quite sure that (gods forbid) if there was to be a fatality due to a fire, F1 safety boffins will come up with another "definitive" safety device that will save drivers from fires, but will create a hundred new hazards...such is the way of the Formula One. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Publius Cornelius Scipio 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2017 8 hours ago, Quiet One said: I agree that it looks ghastly and seems really uncomfortable for driving, but I guess practice will make drivers ignore its presence. As for the safety issue, these cars are not the flammable tank on wheels they used to be. Nowadays it's more of a hazard a hit to the head a la Bianchi or Grosjean trying to shave Alonso's head than a car fire. Then again, I am quite sure that (gods forbid) if there was to be a fatality due to a fire, F1 safety boffins will come up with another "definitive" safety device that will save drivers from fires, but will create a hundred new hazards...such is the way of the Formula One. I think that it could protect a driver from a crash a la Justin Wilson (maybe) or a la Henry Surtess (more likely), I don't see how it could have helped on a crash like Bianchi, if anything it would have been worse, with a device like the Halo I think that Hakkinen would have been killed when he had his big accident in Australia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted July 28, 2017 17 hours ago, Publius Cornelius Scipio said: I think that it could protect a driver from a crash a la Justin Wilson (maybe) or a la Henry Surtess (more likely), I don't see how it could have helped on a crash like Bianchi, if anything it would have been worse, with a device like the Halo I think that Hakkinen would have been killed when he had his big accident in Australia Indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruslan 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2018 Resurrecting old threads. My first thought on seeing a race with Halo's was that "they are really not that bad looking." My visiting race-watching friend said the same thing. In fact, I think it makes the cars look bigger and more substantial. I didn't really see anything negative about having them. They do mask the helmets. Perhaps the solution would be to paint the top of the Halo's the color of the driver's helmet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Publius Cornelius Scipio 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2018 watching drivers getting out of those cars make me sick, luckily fire no longer is a problem these days otherwise the Halo would be a death trap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruslan 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2018 Yea, I am still not convinced it is that much of an improvement to safety. You would probably gain a whole lot more if you covered the wheels with solid body work. But they actually don't look hideous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Publius Cornelius Scipio 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2018 I think that some sort of screen would be a good thing, I fear that the Halo is the wrong answer to the right question Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruslan 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2018 Yea, during the race I was envisioning a wind-screen in the two openings on each side of the central pillar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2018 One thing I noticed was that when Grosjean stopped his car / dnf, it looked to me that he had a harder time coming out of the c#ckpit than when the Halo wasn't there. So maybe, HALO can protect during impact but will keep the driver longer to escape a fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Publius Cornelius Scipio 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, radical-one said: One thing I noticed was that when Grosjean stopped his car / dnf, it looked to me that he had a harder time coming out of the c#ckpit than when the Halo wasn't there. So maybe, HALO can protect during impact but will keep the driver longer to escape a fire. yes, that is exactly the point that I'm making, and I don't even want to think what would happene if they have to pull a driver from a car that has flipped or if a driver is unconciuos. The Halo could prevent accidents like Henry Surtees' but I'm not so sure that they gave the subject enough thought. I sincerely hope that I will be proven wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Publius Cornelius Scipio said: yes, that is exactly the point that I'm making, and I don't even want to think what would happene if they have to pull a driver from a car that has flipped or if a driver is unconciuos. The Halo could prevent accidents like Henry Surtees' but I'm not so sure that they gave the subject enough thought. I sincerely hope that I will be proven wrong Yeah. HALO's purpose isn't an easy straight forward solution isn't it? Like in IT when I was younger. We put in some bug fixes into the system but sometimes creates new bugs that we can't see in our tests but when put into production it kaputs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 This is why I love Kimi The Halo? A great sun visor, says Raikkonen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithcollantine 0 Report post Posted April 3, 2018 Similarly, Sainz said during testing Halo made it harder to tell when it's raining lightly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted April 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, keithcollantine said: Similarly, Sainz said during testing Halo made it harder to tell when it's raining lightly. Welcome to the Forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites