lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2017 There are basic errors happening at McLaren, that would NEVER have happened under Ron. Pit stop errors, simple things that CAN be avoided, come on crew up your game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted September 18, 2017 Define NEVER: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ecapdeville 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2017 Never is a word that you never have to use... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2017 Basic errors Would NOT B acceptable under Ron Dennis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2017 Never ever - sounds like a Spice Girl !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ecapdeville 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2017 Of course some things were unacceptable under Ron domination, but anyway things happened, he was though, but human at the end Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 You are also forgetting the Ron way. He WAS SUCCESSFUL with it !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 McLaren MCLAREN More info, news, photos and videos: Profile page on Motorsport.com Website http://www.mclaren.com/ finds adapting to change hard, says Honda Masashi Yamamoto, Honda Photo by: Sutton Images McLaren is a systematic company that finds it hard to adapt to change, according to Honda chief Masashi Yamamoto, following its F1 relationship break-up. Yamamoto suggested that its new F1 partner, Toro Rosso, will be more accommodating of change: “Working with McLaren, I’ve realised that they are a very big company which is very systematic. It’s obviously very strong because of that but at the same time they can find it hard to adapt to change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 19 September 2017 11:11 (CEST) There is no doubt in my mind, that Honda will be better off without culture of McLaren, and all the noise on the sidelines. My congratulation goes to Honda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Sakae said: 19 September 2017 11:11 (CEST) There is no doubt in my mind, that Honda will be better off without culture of McLaren, and all the noise on the sidelines. My congratulation goes to Honda. So happy for them. I'm sure the will get their vindication with Torro Rosso next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 19 September 2017 13:28 (CEST) Honda is guilty of slow development on their path to convergence with their rivals, certainly slower than expectations were by their partners, that much is obvious but that is all. Under existing regulatory conditions I can envision how that happened, and all what I can do is to have kind understanding. (Been there, done that, and suffered just as much). I also think that TR will be pleased. Renault is a respectable French manufacturer, and they also will not stand still with their efforts, but at the end, I think it all will come to the same outcome and numbers will be close. The only pain Honda could feel, should Nissan decide to play switch-card on Japanese market. (Honda out, Ren/Niss in, look at us). “Engineering company run by finance and HR (which has no clue) with a very short sighted attitude. Yes, McLaren today and the one in glory years, just a name on the door and memories are left. This is not first time we heard about this from former employees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 Re:Renault is a respectable French manufacturer, and they also will not stand still with their efforts >Isn`t this mirrored in Honda, a "Japanese" manufacturer It`s not just a name on the door. There IS the Mclaren Technology Centre (MTC) as well. I HAVE been a guest of Ron Dennis` there !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, lipstick79 said: Re:Renault is a respectable French manufacturer, and they also will not stand still with their efforts >Isn`t this mirrored in Honda, a "Japanese" manufacturer It`s not just a name on the door. There IS the Mclaren Technology Centre (MTC) as well. I HAVE been a guest of Ron Dennis` there !! ...it was just a metaphor. Read the linked article. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2017 Renault is Nissan ish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2017 20 September 2017 5:38 (CEST) Alliance is well know, which is why I've raised that subject in here. There is fierce competition between manufacturers, and one wonders how this situation will develop in Japan, i.e., where Honda "failed", and Nissan was called to save the day. Here in EU it is non-issue, however in Yokohama it might be different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi was created in 1999, making it the longest-running transnational partnership between two major manufacturers in the automotive ... If the McLaren-Renault project IS a success. THAT would be HUGE egg on face / loss of face TO Honda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 Fernando Alonso wants final decision on F1 future before US GP What if they dump him as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 VERY possible, I believe that they SHOULD They HAVE up & comings, thanks to Ron`s ambitions The likes of Stoffel VD, and ANOTHER GP2 performer. No longer HAVE the Honda money THAT paid Alonso`s salary, after Alonso`s WHINING - GP2 engine. He (KEPT delaying and delaying a decision). Walk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 What WOULD be funny is, if Alonso FINNALY comes to a (yes) decision. Mclaren Renault say, we will let you know, and think about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2017 LOL Anyways, as of FP2 in Malaysia, Honda engine has the pace.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2017 Too little, too LATE !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radical-one 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2017 True although better late than never as the say. However there are still 6 races left in the season. Any upward improvement can show the difference between a good decision to a bad one ( honda or renault) Time will tell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, radical-one said: LOL Anyways, as of FP2 in Malaysia, Honda engine has the pace.... 29 September 2017 17:52 (CEST) Here is the claim, altho silly me, I thought they said the car was perfect, and there was nothing to improve. Quote New floor lifts McLaren and Alonso's performance This time Honda will not get a good headline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lipstick79 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2017 The guys IN Woking (Mclaren) NOT Japan (Honda) HAVE delivered Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakae 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2017 29 September 2017 23:22 (CEST) Maybe had they (in Woking) delivered much earlier, McLaren would be today in better standing on a score board, instead blaming day in, day out all on Honda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites