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7 hours ago, Publius Cornelius Scipio said:

Sure, and they haven't had a title sponsor for years and the prize money that they got in the last few years wasn't much due to the bad results, I presume that McLaren's financial situation isn't what it used to be

With the McLaren badge and better results this year, they can surely get back that amount or more next season.

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McLaren performance points to 'not so great car' - Marko

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Helmut Marko believes McLaren would be hard pressed to claim - like it did last year - that its chassis is the best on the grid given its poor performance to date.

Before the season kicked off, Fernando Alonso said the Woking-based outfit would target Red Bull Racing at the outset in 2018 as the two teams are powered by the same Renault engine.

While McLaren's level of performance has improved, its drivers are nowhere near snapping at the heels of the Milton Keynes squad's chargers.

Even worse, McLaren could not rival the pace of Toro Rosso in Bahrain, the team which took on its batch of "weak" Honda engines.

"Mr Alonso wanted to attack Red Bull but he was behind the Toro Rosso," Red Bull motorsport boss Marko told Auto Motor und Sport.

"The McLaren cannot be that great and it was not just the Honda engine that made them slow -- they are still last on the straight with the Renault," he added.

Marko, whose Red Bull outfit is considering switching from Renault to Honda for 2019, joins those who think McLaren made a strategic error late last year by ditching the Japanese manufacturer.

"They not only lost an engine that is getting better and better, they also gave up a lot of money," he said.

McLaren's Stoffel Vandoorne believes Red Bull remains a good benchmark for his team, regardless of how it has performed so far in 2018.

"No matter what engine you have in the car, you're always under pressure in Formula 1," said the Belgian.

"We have clearly identified Red Bull as a reference point so it makes sense to be compared with them.

"But we are only at the beginning of the season, so we have to wait a bit for the arrival of new parts to see exactly where we are in the hierarchy."

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What now, where 2 go ???
Mclaren R in a MESS
Ron brought Honda BACK into F1. But Ron sold up and LEFT McLaren,  well strangely he WERE booted OUT
Where do McLaren go NOW ??  Mclaren DUMPED the Honda MILLIONS to keep Alonso.
So they signed race winning Renault.
Their car is STILL last and the SLOWEST.
Ron ALWAYS preferred WORKS status, but they are NOW a Renault CUSTOMER.
RedBull likely to take the Honda GLORY that Ron worked to get for McLaren.
The solution as I see it IS,  to do something different,  which is what they attempted to do 
AFTER losing the Mercedes WORKS status, when Mercedes BOUGHT Brawn.
They/Ron convinced Honda to come back.
I would like to see them,  bring Cosworth BACK into F1.
Works status & FREE PU                                            

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On ‎13‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 3:35 AM, radical-one said:

They not only lost an engine that is getting better and better, they also gave up a lot of money,"

Swings & roundabouts.
Mclaren delivered Alonso a race WINNING PU, to KEEP Alonso.
Whilst the Renault IS, at it`s limit in the development cycle - no where really for it to go.
Honda CAN make a LOT of GAINS.
But with THOSE gains WILL come,  a LOT of DNF`s.
It IS those DNF`s that WILL lose Alonso. His infamous,  GP2 comment.
It were a strategic move by McLaren, to KEEP their BIGGEST asset (Alonso).
Alonso is NOW regularly picking up points. Points win prizes.
Red Bull`s B team  TR is NOW picking up the DNF`s.
Whilst Honda sorts itself out

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I think the toro rosso s DNF today was not due to the engine. It's due to the inexperience of their drivers. Honda is getting better and better. It's just the conditions didn't suit them today 

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TR needs a much competitive and experienced driver. Two rookies cannot help with it's development.

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By all accounts the, fly-away McLaren powered by Renault
WERE a QUICK solution to something 2 run, after the final decision were made to
DUMP Honda.
When return to Europe. Mclaren INTEND To PUSH and hope to have something to CHALLENGE.
Mclaren HAS built THIS next release UP, and they CONTINUE to maintain THAT theory, if not MORE.
As a McLaren fan (I HAVE been a guest of Ron Dennis at the MTC) . I HOPE that they DO
have something to CHALLENGE

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On ‎11‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 6:24 PM, Publius Cornelius Scipio said:

I presume that McLaren's financial situation isn't what it used to be

Probably but, they CHOOSE NOT to have a title sponsor.
They HAVE made a stance, NOT going 2 DEVALUE the Mclaren name and heritage.
They ALSO have to PAY $100`s MILLIONS for a PU.
NOT being a works TEAM

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I may NOT B a rocket scientist but.
If on LAST years car (Mclaren Honda-2017)
The ONLY problem  were the Honda PU.
Y CAN`T just drop the Renault PU in THAT, and make it fit !!!
Mclaren CLAIMED that it WERE 1 of the BEST chassis on the grid, let down by the Honda PU
I AM  aware that the Honda had a different approach to the turbo, coolin etc
But McLaren CLAIMED it to B 1 of the BEST chassis on the grid - PROVE it !!

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Like I said, 
            I may NOT B a rocket scientist but
NEITHER are ANY of the current Mclaren design crew
Another updated chassis, ANOTHER failure
Have gone from the WORST PU on he grid.
REPLACED it with, a race WINNING PU (Renault).
To the WORST Renault powered team.
CAN`T blame the PU anymore.
How about taking some crayons to the local primary school,
and getting some school kids to draw(design) the next McLaren
It will NOT B worse than currently paying ££MILLIONS££ in salary for. .

 

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Michael Latifi latest Mclaren investment dwarf`s that of a fizzy drink, and Honda.
Honda NOW going to increase their investment by putting a Japanese driver in TR.
F1 really is BIG business now, Bernie has GONE !!

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Currently a battle brewing between the factory Renaults and the McLaren F1 team - powered by Renault.
Is this really progress ??
It is better than the years of DNF`s with the Honda project, who incidentally are NOW completing with Torro Rosso.
Which is an improvement, though there is NO speed/performance YET. Just reliability.
Which is what U get with the Renault. Though Red Bull ARE making it work for THEM.

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With Alonso looking to Indy.

Carlos Sainz - sponsored by Renault
- could be replacing him  in the Mclaren F1 team, POWERED by Renault

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Brown confirmed Alonso for 2019 with McLaren. Sainz is poised to replace Ricciardo.

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Indeed

Brown confirmed Alonso for 2019 with McLaren.

But NOT confirmed Alonso for 2019 with McLaren F1 Team

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Alonso DOIN Le Mans NEXT weekend, in his pursuit of the triple crown.
Mclaren lookin to B in Indy in 2019 !!! A seat for Alonso ?? !!

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3 hours ago, Sakae said:

.. Sainz is poised to replace Ricciardo.

Sainz IS sponsored by Renault,
RedBull poised to be Honda
 

Mclaren Renault COULD need to replace Alonso in the F1 team

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Drive seats could get crowded at Renault if RB goes Honda.

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16 June 2018, 19:28 (CEST) - Revolt in promised land? I was expecting a clean up action from different quarters, but Whitmarsh from all people?

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Mclaren powered by Renault are,hunting down the Renault WORKS team.
With Alonso`s latest Title - Le Man`s,  he WILL B full of confidence when he returns to Mclaren F1 next weekend

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Mclaren F1 team NOW have new competition
That they MUST always be ahead of,  Red Bull NOW powered by Honda
That is 2 team`s, NOW powered by Honda (Torro Roso,  Red Bull).

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2019-20, Red Bull's target is to compete with Ferrari and Merc, not McLaren.

Sorry McLaren will compete with the Jr. Works team in Torro Rosso.

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