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2018 Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda STR12

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Honda more involved in new Toro Rosso partnership

  • Honda rotates (again, as expected) technical staff
  • Responsibility are divided between a racing and development group in Japan

New dawn for the Italian and Japanese teams? 

I wish them well.

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I am convinced that the last 3 years with McLaren wasn't all Honda's fault.

McLaren made it difficult for Honda to deliver a good PU due to Mclaren's unworkable ethics.

Vindication coming soon !

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25 minutes ago, radical-one said:

I am convinced that the last 3 years with McLaren wasn't all Honda's fault.

McLaren made it difficult for Honda to deliver a good PU due to Mclaren's unworkable ethics.

Vindication coming soon !

I do not wish to sound as a "troll" or McLaren hater, but I've read and heard this sentiment before from several credible sources, that McLaren has excessively high opinion about themselves, the entity is heavy in the front office, inflexible, and very difficult to work with when introducing something new. I do not want to say I told you so, but during last and previous years I touched on the integration challenges, but I was immediately shouted down in here - IT'S ALL HONDA, which of course is an emotional outburst of dubious value, and now we have it for all to see.

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Exactly.

Who gets the Vindication and Who takes the Karma, it will be answered soon enough.

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Unless there is some hidden fundamental flaw in McLaren vehicle design which effectively push them to launch 2019 development early, they still might have time to fix it. Hard to tell from outside. Back to TR - they seems happy, and RBR is already salivating to grab Honda for themselves. Typical Mr. Horner and Co.

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Horner wants Honda to perform well, it is to his negotiations advantages at the minimum.

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Former McLaren-Honda driver Gerhard Berger told Austrian Servus TV: "I had to smile when I saw my old engineer, who worked on my car for three years, as the new Honda technical director."
"He is really good, so I can imagine that with Toro Rosso, Franz Tost and the power of Red Bull behind them, they will do well.

 

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Re:...that McLaren has excessively high opinion about themselves, ...
>Apples & Oranges
That statement may be true, for the mp4 era, under Ron Denis who,             
Incidentally reunited McLaren with Honda.
The Mclaren formula 1 team is,  COMPLETLY different now to how it WERE.
The ONLY thing the same IS,  the  Mclaren NAME                                              

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These 2 F1 seats can be some of the most desirable drives in F1 by 2020;

Toro Rosso Honda 

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Indeed,  kind of logical really, NO prizes for that announcement.
Ron & Mclaren brought he MIGHTY Honda BACK into F1
Mclaren can`t wait until 2020 for Honda to come good.
They NEEDED to keep Alonso, so powered by Renault - a race winning PU

That is if things remain consistent.
And NO Newey-esque developments,
like the double diffuser or the Mclaren 3rd pedal                                                                                              

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Congratulations to TR-Honda for job well done in Bahrain. :clap3::congrats:

Here's wishing you more successes to come !  :thumb::icon2_flag:

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21 minutes ago, radical-one said:

Congratulations to TR-Honda for job well done in Bahrain. :clap3::congrats:

Here's wishing you more successes to come !  :thumb::icon2_flag:

:congrats:

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What they need for now is Consistency. It is difficult to get their car's development with 2 rookie drivers though... 

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