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Who Should Be The Regular Driver In Redbull

Who should go DC, Luizzi or Klein  

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  1. 1. Who should go DC, Luizzi or Klein

    • Who should make way for a regular driver in Redbull:Klein:
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    • DC:
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DC as test driver

DC would be a good test driver but he is a better race driver than the two who would presumably replace him. For this reason, I would expect with sensible management, DC to remain in this race seat for the remainder of the season.

As Senna so correctly points out, stability is absolutely essential in F1 as in any serious organization in a complex and dynamic business. This fact seems to be lost on the management, whoever they may be, at Red Bull which I now see more as a marketing gimmick than a racing team... quite unlike McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, etc.

Do not be fooled by thier early success. This is down to the work that jag put in before leaving F1. From now on, as indeed we have most recently seen, I expect them to decline as the effects of a misfocussed, mismanaged oraginzation becom increasingly visible.

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Helmut Marko is essentially Dieter's no.2 in command. He's head of their driver search and has a big big say in the running of things.

bajo: an important historical point to note for your benefit is that at sauber, mr marko backed i think it was enrique bernoldi over a young kimi raikkonen. sauber refused to budge on the issue and it lead to red bull moving back from the path it was leading to at sauber at the time, one of taking a significant equity stake in the team.

which makes you kind of understand why there is little doubt that horner will have no influence even if he backs dc. also why wurz was never in the picture at red bull despite being tony pornell's fave 2nd option whilst at jag (marko dislike wurz).

now, with still over 2/3 of the season to go, luizzi could prove to be just as fast if not regulalry faster than dc. if so, then i don't see why they should hold onto him other than in the role of test driver. if that should be the case then dc should go somewhere else more prestigious and stable. dc klien makes more sense now, but of liuzzi keeps on doing what he did at imola, then there will be no case for dc to stay.

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bajo:  an important historical point to note for your benefit is that at sauber, mr marko backed i think it was enrique bernoldi over a young kimi raikkonen.  sauber refused to budge on the issue and it lead to red bull moving back from the path it was leading to at sauber at the time, one of taking a significant equity stake in the team.

which makes you kind of understand why there is little doubt that horner will have no influence even if he backs dc.  also why wurz was never in the picture at red bull despite being tony pornell's fave 2nd option whilst at jag (marko dislike wurz).

now, with still over 2/3 of the season to go, luizzi could prove to be just as fast if not regulalry faster than dc.  if so, then i don't see why they should hold onto him other than in the role of test driver.  if that should be the case then dc should go somewhere else more prestigious and stable.  dc klien makes more sense now, but of liuzzi keeps on doing what he did at imola, then there will be no case for dc to stay.

Thank you for the notes on Marko. Given his past form, I am certain he will have a negative effect at Red Bull. This is very sad as after the Australian round, I had high hopes for them. It was refreshing to see a new team in F1, particularly one that looked to be quite competitive. Surely we can look forward to their performance declining in comparison to the other teams as the positive effects of Jaguar's work is overshadowed by the negative of this disorganized, incompetent and ill-focussed advertising group that is Red Bull.

If Liuzzi or Klien are regularly faster than DC then they ought to have preferance over him, but this is not what we have seen thus far, except at Imola.

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well that's two races where DC has been fairly slow. We can't say how he would have fared against CK in Bahrain since CK's car failed at the start, whilst Liuzzi had his measure, and by a fair bit in Imola. But prior to that DC had two excellent races, so it's abit difficult to judge.

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Indeed, it seems to me that some people are far too eager to jump on the anti-DC bandwagon.  The fact remains that DC is the most experienced and best technically minded RBR driver who incidentally has scored the most points for the team so your assertions are clearly unfounded Monty

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JV has a better chance of improving on his breaking on the Sauber than DC has of improving on his 1 lap qualifying. DC seems to have peaked already at RBR.

What was DC's excuse for his poor showing at Imola - a fairly technical circuit where he has raced for so long and he has more experience in the car than Luizzi? I think he should very quickly talk to RBR and take on a testing contract with the team for 2 years starting 2006. He can develope the car superbly for them, but we cannot expect much from him on the race track currently and it's bound to get worse.

But maybe that is harsh to judge him on one race when he had an off weekend - so lets wait for him to redeem himself at Barcelona :D

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Do not be fooled by thier [RBR] early success. This is down to the work that jag put in before leaving F1. From now on, as indeed we have most recently seen, I expect them to decline as the effects of a misfocussed, mismanaged oraginzation becom increasingly visible.

This could prove prophetic.

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well that's two races where DC has been fairly slow. We can't say how he would have fared against CK in Bahrain since CK's car failed at the start, whilst Liuzzi had his measure, and by a fair bit in Imola. But prior to that DC had two excellent races, so it's abit difficult to judge.

DC scored a point at Bahrain after doing a Schumi on your man and since points are invaluable to any team, especially RBR, considering their financial, prestigious and championship progressing value, it might be a little harsh to say that DC had a poor race at Bahrain. As for Imola, that was a pretty bad weekend for the Scot, I doubt the seat swapping nonsense did the team or DC any good though.

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Would you like to know what happened this winter?..Dietrich Mateschitz and Marko decided CK and Liuzzi would have both raced.Then the old Jaguar guys Purnell and Pitchfort,fresh of a confirmation by Red Bull staff, signed DC...and were sacked and replaced with Horner for this,cause,with three drivers all with a race contract,the team had to apply this stupid seat sharing...this explains also why Maetschitz initially said he didn't want DC,and then,after Purnell let him test and signed him was forced to say he changed his mind..although he never explained why he sacked Purnell just few weeks after he confirmed him....Bad management would be a compliment for that...

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Would you like to know what happened this winter?..Dietrich Mateschitz and Marko decided CK and Liuzzi would have both raced.Then the old Jaguar guys Purnell and Pitchfort,fresh of a confirmation by Red Bull staff, signed DC...and were sacked and replaced with Horner for this,cause,with three drivers all with a race contract,the team had to apply this stupid seat sharing...this explains also why Maetschitz initially said he didn't want DC,and then,after Purnell let him test and signed him was forced to say he changed his mind..although he never explained why he sacked Purnell just few weeks after he confirmed him....Bad management would be a compliment for that...

I am well aware of the history of RBR

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Yes but future is easy to predict,cause Dietrich never really wanted DC and he said it once more last week...he dreams of having a team of only Red Bull drivers and DC is not so he hasn't got any future with RBR..he should better start looking around him cause it couldn't be easy to find another seat later this season

I know, I think it

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"it might be a little harsh to say that DC had a poor race at Bahrain."

I don't think so. DC was behind JV all race, and few seconds behind at that until their little incident. DC's car was 100% fine and in his press release he said he was just slow and baffled by his lack of pace. Seeing as that race wasn't one of JV's best, and one he came in for further criticism for, then what can be said of the man who languished behind him all race and only beat him by doing a "Schumi" as you quite rightly put it?!

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