Fed up 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 They have caused all this BS - F1 should have one tyre only and good riddance to this p**s pot company. Michelin has brought F1 into disrepute Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaciaj 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Shut up you Ferrari fan.It's not their fault if the FIA continuously make stupid and dangerous rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Shut up you Ferrari fan.It's not their fault if the FIA continuously make stupid and dangerous rules <{POST_SNAPBACK}> One rule for one, one rule for all. And there is no need to get personal m8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CC 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 This time it is 80% fault Michelin's fault, but 20% fault for the FIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaciaj 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 And another poor sportsmanship showing by Ferrari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackgarrett 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 yea wow, my dream has come true, BAR last in the champoinship hahahah only 6 cars starting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panchito 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 SHAME ON FERRARI!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MontoyaFan-HatesJenson 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Shame on the lot of them. The most pathetic thing I've ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 SHAME ON FERRARI!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ????????????????????????????????????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 ????????????????????????????????????? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly m8 Some ppl see it that it is ferrari's fault and not Michelin. Deluded perhaps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raikkonen_rulez 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 **** michelin I DID NOT WAKE UP AT 3.30 AM IN THE MORNING TO WATCH THIS FARCE!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jenson_Rules 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Im just disgusted, i feel soo ****ing sorry for all those at indy, and for all us at home, and for all the michelin run drivers and teams, a ****ing disgrace and this should prove the ned of F1 and michelin and possibly in the US! edit - i mean the end of f1 in us, and possibly the end of michelin in f1! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AcrossTheSky 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Anyone who believes that Michelin have any less than 100% of the blame, is blind and stupid. IT IS MICHELINS FAULT rules are rules this is not the first time Michelin have been guilty of sheer stupidity a couple of years ago it was blatent cheating, this time it is dangerous negligence. They were until a couple of days ago a well respected company, they should have known what the requirements were from their tyres. If they are really incompetent enough not to know the tyres wouldn't work it Indy, then I am woried, scared even, that they have even been in F1 until now. Do not blame Bridgestone Do not blame Ferrari, Jordan or Minardi Do not blame any of the Michelin teams Do not blame any of the drivers IT IS 100% Michelin The sooner my team gets off Michelin the better!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Anyone who believes that Michelin have any less than 100% of the blame, is blind and stupid. IT IS MICHELINS FAULT rules are rules this is not the first time Michelin have been guilty of sheer stupidity a couple of years ago it was blatent cheating, this time it is dangerous negligence. They were until a couple of days ago a well respected company, they should have known what the requirements were from their tyres. If they are really incompetent enough not to know the tyres wouldn't work it Indy, then I am woried, scared even, that they have even been in F1 until now.Do not blame Bridgestone Do not blame Ferrari, Jordan or Minardi Do not blame any of the Michelin teams Do not blame any of the drivers IT IS 100% Michelin The sooner my team gets off Michelin the better!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here here I just feel for the folk who spent fortunes to see the "race" live Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AcrossTheSky 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Imagine the costs, inequality and even safety concerns if drivers/teams/tyre companies can chop and change tyres as much as they like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Anyone who says what went down is 100% Michelins fault isn't correct either. Sure they started the problem, but did the FIA do anything to resolve it? ofcourse not. And anyonre blaming Ferrari needs to have a look at what happened, not who won. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jenson_Rules 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 again ferrari were the only team is dissaproval and aain showed their stibborness and greed! The fia showed us all how useless they are and how the fans and putting on a great spectacle and show is the least of their priorities. Michelin must take though at least, at least 60% of the blame! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 FIA website/ Dear Mr Dupasquier, Dear Mr Shorrock, Thank you for your letter of today's date. As explained in our earlier letter, your teams have a choice of running more slowly in Turn 12/13, running a tyre not used in qualifying (which would attract a penalty) or repeatedly changing a tyre (subject to valid safety reasons). It is for them to decide. We have nothing to add. Yours sincerely, Charlie Whiting FIA Formula One Race Director cc: Bernie Ecclestone Ron Dennis (West McLaren-Mercedes) Flavio Briatore (Mild Seven Renault F1) Frank Williams (BMW WilliamsF1 Team) Peter Sauber (Sauber Petronas) Christian Horner (Red Bull Racing) Nick Fry (B-A-R Honda) John Howett (Panasonic Toyota Racing) Jean Todt (Scuderia Ferrari) Colin Kolles (Jordan Grand Prix) Paul Stoddart (Minardi F1 Team) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Your point....? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gilles27 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Ferrari did not vote against the chicane, this was confirmed by Paul Stoddart Ferrari abstained and said they would respect any decision that the FIA made There is no Ferrari prints on the smoking gun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Exactly, but some people have clouded judgement thanks to their hatred. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackgarrett 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 the sooner 1 tyer suppier, the better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 the sooner 1 tyer suppier, the better <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What of simply allowing tyre changes in pit stops again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Autosport/ After nearly four decades of work at Michelin, Pierre Dupasquier admitted that today was the most embarassing day of his career. But the feisty Frenchman, who is set for retirement after this season, was adamant that Michelin followed the only responsible course of action that it could. Speaking to Autosport-Atlas, he explains how seven of 10 Formula One teams ended up withdrawing from the United States Grand Prix before the race began. Q: Can you explain how, with all your experience, you came to bring a tyre that wasn't suitable for this circuit? Dupasquier: "We screwed up. We have an idea of what happened, and we keep going with our investigation." Q: Did you push too far? Dupasquier: "No, no, no. It's nothing to do with that. On the contrary, since we have to last for the entire race, we kept huge margins." Q: There's a lot of weight on your shoulders after this day. Dupasquier: "The weight is not on my shoulders, I am not alone. The company was alert, we were working on the subject around the clock and we just have been doing it step-by-step to find the situation. We shared with our partners and we came up with the conclusion that neither solution we had handy could do the race." Q: Is this the most embarrassing moment in your career with Michelin? Dupasquier: "Yes. But I would be more embarrassed if I personally screwed up. We worked, we brought the right solution, we acted with responsibility and after that I have no regrets, because you can turn around and look at your face in the mirror with a big smile and no backwards thoughts. It happens, to all of us, unfortunately." Q: There was a solution - the chicane. But it didn't happen. Dupasquier: "We did not talk about the chicane. We said that we had found out that with a lower speed, significantly lower speed, climbing on the oval, we would be totally out of trouble. The chicane could have been a solution but there were others as well. We have no right and we are not in the position to put any judgement to what has been done. We didn't ask for any rule change. We know technically if we avoid increasing speed on the banking we would be out of the problem, that is the only thing we said." Q: How damaging has this been to Michelin's reputation? Dupasquier: "Anything we heard so far was more on the side of 'congratulations for the responsibility, you made the right decision' and so on. You ruin your reputation if you do stupid things. If you race with a problem in the tyre that could send the drivers in the wall then you ruin your reputation, because you are knowledgeable and you are responsible. You have made the best you can - we do a good job at other places, everyone knows. In this situation we did not have the right tyre for the conditions, but fine, it happens to everyone." Q: Have you found the reason for the tyre failure? Dupasquier: "Usage of this particular track. We did testing in three days on the machines and the tyres conform to our specification, so they are just not suited to this place. It is not a problem. If we said slowing down on turn 13 would make it safe, it means we have a reasonably good idea what the cause was. It is pressure related, but not enough to make sure we are away from the red line. The new surface is likely to be part of it." Q: What would you say to the fans today? Dupasquier: "We are sorry about it, we regret what happened. We had no choice but assuming responsibility and taking no chance with the race and with the drivers." Q: How do you see the future? Dupasquier: "Race harder, faster, and win more races. All the teams together said 'we follow your conclusions'. No chicane, no race. It was a great feeling for the solidarity, the understanding and the partnership with all those people and we are grateful for that." Q: did you have any personal discussions with Bernie Ecclestone over the weekend? Dupasquier: "Yes. They were positive. This guy just tries to make things happen. He is a positive person and he tried the best he could to find solutions." Q: Was he vritical of Michelin? Dupasquier: "No, no, no, no." Q: "Do you think Michelin will be invited to appear before the FIA's World Motorsport Council? Dupasquier: "I don't know. That was not in our mind. We didn't even think about it, we just wanted to ensure technically and sportingly the tradition that the race can go on with no risk, of our knowledge, to the drivers." Q: Were Toyota running below the recommended pressure? Dupasquier: "No, no, no. We have never experienced with our partners such kind of behaviour. They know why we say that, there are the figures and they don't want to see their car in the wall either." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Autosport/After nearly four decades of work at Michelin, Pierre Dupasquier admitted that today was the most embarassing day of his career. But the feisty Frenchman, who is set for retirement after this season, was adamant that Michelin followed the only responsible course of action that it could. Speaking to Autosport-Atlas, he explains how seven of 10 Formula One teams ended up withdrawing from the United States Grand Prix before the race began. Q: Can you explain how, with all your experience, you came to bring a tyre that wasn't suitable for this circuit? Dupasquier: "We screwed up. We have an idea of what happened, and we keep going with our investigation." Q: Did you push too far? Dupasquier: "No, no, no. It's nothing to do with that. On the contrary, since we have to last for the entire race, we kept huge margins." Q: There's a lot of weight on your shoulders after this day. Dupasquier: "The weight is not on my shoulders, I am not alone. The company was alert, we were working on the subject around the clock and we just have been doing it step-by-step to find the situation. We shared with our partners and we came up with the conclusion that neither solution we had handy could do the race." Q: Is this the most embarrassing moment in your career with Michelin? Dupasquier: "Yes. But I would be more embarrassed if I personally screwed up. We worked, we brought the right solution, we acted with responsibility and after that I have no regrets, because you can turn around and look at your face in the mirror with a big smile and no backwards thoughts. It happens, to all of us, unfortunately." Q: There was a solution - the chicane. But it didn't happen. Dupasquier: "We did not talk about the chicane. We said that we had found out that with a lower speed, significantly lower speed, climbing on the oval, we would be totally out of trouble. The chicane could have been a solution but there were others as well. We have no right and we are not in the position to put any judgement to what has been done. We didn't ask for any rule change. We know technically if we avoid increasing speed on the banking we would be out of the problem, that is the only thing we said." Q: How damaging has this been to Michelin's reputation? Dupasquier: "Anything we heard so far was more on the side of 'congratulations for the responsibility, you made the right decision' and so on. You ruin your reputation if you do stupid things. If you race with a problem in the tyre that could send the drivers in the wall then you ruin your reputation, because you are knowledgeable and you are responsible. You have made the best you can - we do a good job at other places, everyone knows. In this situation we did not have the right tyre for the conditions, but fine, it happens to everyone." Q: Have you found the reason for the tyre failure? Dupasquier: "Usage of this particular track. We did testing in three days on the machines and the tyres conform to our specification, so they are just not suited to this place. It is not a problem. If we said slowing down on turn 13 would make it safe, it means we have a reasonably good idea what the cause was. It is pressure related, but not enough to make sure we are away from the red line. The new surface is likely to be part of it." Q: What would you say to the fans today? Dupasquier: "We are sorry about it, we regret what happened. We had no choice but assuming responsibility and taking no chance with the race and with the drivers." Q: How do you see the future? Dupasquier: "Race harder, faster, and win more races. All the teams together said 'we follow your conclusions'. No chicane, no race. It was a great feeling for the solidarity, the understanding and the partnership with all those people and we are grateful for that." Q: did you have any personal discussions with Bernie Ecclestone over the weekend? Dupasquier: "Yes. They were positive. This guy just tries to make things happen. He is a positive person and he tried the best he could to find solutions." Q: Was he vritical of Michelin? Dupasquier: "No, no, no, no." Q: "Do you think Michelin will be invited to appear before the FIA's World Motorsport Council? Dupasquier: "I don't know. That was not in our mind. We didn't even think about it, we just wanted to ensure technically and sportingly the tradition that the race can go on with no risk, of our knowledge, to the drivers." Q: Were Toyota running below the recommended pressure? Dupasquier: "No, no, no. We have never experienced with our partners such kind of behaviour. They know why we say that, there are the figures and they don't want to see their car in the wall either." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Interesting article. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites