Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2005 What about JV in the achievements??? He's a former champion with 11 wins!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2005 Yeah, JV needs to be in that, because i dont know how DC is in it and not JV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kup 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2005 Thanx = foxtrot023 + jemstride + Buttonfan =) i want to agree with you =) 1st - if (when=) FA wins 2005, i gonna change my imho of "big 4" =) 2nd - Yes, by Achiev-s J`Villeneuve must be in "big 4" 3rd - i was wrong, coz i my post by "achiev-s" i actually mean _Sum_ of "Achieve+Potenza" (just to note = FA has maybe best Potenza in 2005, but less Ach-s than MS, but MS has best ever Ach-s, but definatly less potenza than FA, KR, JPM, and maybe, imho, JButton) is it more clear now ? p.s. imho dance is "fox-troite", right ? btw. i`m a Button-fan too =) (J`Stewart, A`Prost, M`Schum, J`Button - my likes =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2005 Kup, I'm sorry I just dont understand what you are trying to say - Maybe one day the penny will drop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CC 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2005 Kup, I'm sorry I just dont understand what you are trying to say - Maybe one day the penny will drop <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was struggling as well at first but I now understand the majority of his posts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2005 I understood it the first time i read it, but some of his other posts confuse me sometimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenna 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 Thanx = foxtrot023 + jemstride + Buttonfan =)i want to agree with you =) 1st - if (when=) FA wins 2005, i gonna change my imho of "big 4" =) 2nd - Yes, by Achiev-s J`Villeneuve must be in "big 4" 3rd - i was wrong, coz i my post by "achiev-s" i actually mean _Sum_ of "Achieve+Potenza" (just to note = FA has maybe best Potenza in 2005, but less Ach-s than MS, but MS has best ever Ach-s, but definatly less potenza than FA, KR, JPM, and maybe, imho, JButton) is it more clear now ? p.s. imho dance is "fox-troite", right ? btw. i`m a Button-fan too =) (J`Stewart, A`Prost, M`Schum, J`Button - my likes =) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmmmm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2005 His first thing i understand but not the new thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayStorm 0 Report post Posted August 1, 2005 Well, after they scored a 3/4 finish, it's not looking increasingly likely that Toyota will finish the season in atleast 4th. Nice job for them. JS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 1, 2005 indeed, that should help toyota finish behind Renault, McLaren, and Ferrari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2005 Toyota looked very good in Hungary. Trulli was very impressive, racing with half his diffuser gone on a track that requires alot of aero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2005 Trulli should be at Renault this year winning the wdc, not the flukey little git alonso Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, JV needs to be in that, because i dont know how DC is in it and not JV <{POST_SNAPBACK}> DC has arguably a better statistical record in F1 than JV although the Canadian is a former champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 former champ should be included in consideration Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Trulli would probably be battling for the WDC if he was at Renault, but Flavio did not want Trulli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 former champ should be included in consideration <{POST_SNAPBACK}> DC has scored 494 points and JV has scored 225 points. DC has finished on the podium 60 times and JV has finished on the podium 23 times. DC has led 59 GPs, JV has led 20 GPs. DC has led 894 laps, JV has led 633 laps. DC has won 13 races, JV has won 11. JV has 13 pole positions and DC has 12 pole positions. DC has contested 188 GPs, JV has contested 147 GPs. JV won the title in 1997 and finished second in 1996. DC finished second in 2001 and third in 2000, 1998, 1997 (MS removed from final standings) and 1995. (True up to Hungary 2005) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 Now I can say that DC is better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 "DC has won 13 races, JV has won 11. JV has 13 pole positions and DC has 12 pole positions. JV won the title in 1997 and finished second in 1996. DC finished second in 2001 and third in 2000, 1998, 1997" These above are the most important numbers of the lot. They really explain alot in my view. DC was in a Williams from 1994-1995 and McLaren from 1996-2004 and Red Bull Racing in 2005. JV was in a Williams from 1996-1998, BAR from 1999-2003, Renault in 2004 for 3 races and Sauber in 2005. DC only has two more poles and 1 more win than JV, and consider the calibre of the equipment DC has had at his disposal over a long period of time. I think it's pretty obvious why DC's number's are better than JV's, well, except in the one that really matters, the number of World Titles. It's also not as if DC never had the car to challenge. He had the car from 1998-2000 and was beated by his teammate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 The way i looked at it, from those stats, it took JV less time to get just 1 win short of DC and less time to get just 2 poles short of DC, so JV accomplished more in a shorter period of time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
