Monty 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 From El Tiempo, Colombian newspaper. Quote given during an interview while visiting Colombia during the break: " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ecapdeville 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 From El Tiempo, Colombian newspaper. Quote given during an interview while visiting Colombia during the break: " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayStorm 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 Good for him, I'm really pleased that he feels like that. Thanks for that. JS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 Good translation!, who did it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ecapdeville 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2005 I am still so p**sed with that guy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Come on, dont get p**sed...I Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 Indeed, JPM does like this part of the season, becuase was it not that he won one of the last races of the season last year?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 TEAM ORDERS TEAM ORDERS OMG THEY SUCK THROW THEM OUT OF THE SPORT oh what do you mean it wasnt ferrari err nevermind then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raikkonen_rulez 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 I think most of us agreed before that they asked JPM to let KR passed because of his low fuel load strategy, and I think it has certainly worked well. If JPM didn't have that problem, we would've saw both Mclarens going head to head which is what we're waiting for almost a season now. My opinions regarding JPM's personality has changed this year, he seems a better person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 TEAM ORDERS TEAM ORDERS OMG THEY SUCK THROW THEM OUT OF THE SPORToh what do you mean it wasnt ferrari err nevermind then <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Most people have a problem with it when its towards the end of a race, when one driver clearly was better over the distance but lets team mate through to win. IE Austria 02. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 JPM did a great job in Hungary and I completely agree with what he says. Cavallino, there's a difference between letting a teammate on a different strategy through so as he can maximise his strategy and not comprimise the other (as happened here), JPM would most probably have gone on to win the race, so it's not as if it were for the race win, and blatantly slowing your lap times by 3 seconds a lap when you are blocking rival drivers (Irvine in '97, Salo in '99 but two examples) and slowing down at the last corner to let the no.1 guy through (eg. Austria 2002). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 JPM did a great job in Hungary and I completely agree with what he says. Cavallino, there's a difference between letting a teammate on a different strategy through so as he can maximise his strategy and not comprimise the other (as happened here), JPM would most probably have gone on to win the race, so it's not as if it were for the race win, and blatantly slowing your lap times by 3 seconds a lap when you are blocking rival drivers (Irvine in '97, Salo in '99 but two examples) and slowing down at the last corner to let the no.1 guy through (eg. Austria 2002). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nojvnof1. Well said. Maxmising the stratgey of both drivers is the key. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 Nojvnof1. Well said. Maxmising the stratgey of both drivers is the key. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh I get it now when they do it it's stratgey when Ferrari does it it's different, thanks now I'm enlightend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ecapdeville 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 Oh I get it now when they do it it's stratgey when Ferrari does it it's different, thanks now I'm enlightend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttonfan 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 Everything does revolve around Maranello, Italy, and Schumi, but the driver's seats for next year revolve around spoiled brat jenson button Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
demonhorse 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2005 Oh I get it now when they do it it's stratgey when Ferrari does it it's different, thanks now I'm enlightend <{POST_SNAPBACK}> sound similar to a certain thing about Senna and Schumacher both bumping other cars off? Yep i smells irony too... and escapdeville... when did McLaren do it for both drivers? they always favour the Finn in the team lately as I recall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2005 1999 is a good example of how McLaren let their drivers race until the very end. "Oh I get it now when they do it it's stratgey when Ferrari does it it's different, thanks now I'm enlightend" pumpdoc, there's a blatant difference between what McLaren did at Hungary and say Suzuka 1997 where Irvine slowed by 5 seconds a lap to let Michael through then block JV, Malaysia 1999 where M$ was miles ahead, slowed considerably to let Irvine through then blocked Mika, and Austria 2002 where Barrichello showed Michael the way the whole time only to let Michael past at the last corner to take the win. Same thing happened in Austria 2001 only Rubens slowed at the last corner to give M$ a spot on the podium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2005 I think the rest of this season will be very interesting to watch how Renault & Mclaren play their "team orders". Trickey topic!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ash 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2005 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPARING THE ETHICS OF FERRARI AND MCLAREN. Ferrari is the scum of the earth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2005 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPARING THE ETHICS OF FERRARI AND MCLAREN. Ferrari is the scum of the earth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted August 11, 2005 Cavallino, there's a difference between letting a teammate on a different strategy through so as he can maximise his strategy and not comprimise the other (as happened here), its still team orders which are illegal, which ferrari havent used in a while. when ferrari did it there were no laws against it. there was absolutely no rule against using any legal method to win the championship. it was blatant because there was nothing wrong with it. its just the stupid english media outcry that made it a big issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ash 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2005 Because 'the stupid english media' didn't expect teams to so blatantly cheat right in front of 'the stupid english media's' and the public's eyes. It has to be said that when it comes to dirty tactics, Ferrari is king. "its still team orders which are illegal, which ferrari havent used in a while." But I'm sure they're just itching to do so, given the oppertunity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2005 Ferrari have infact used team orders more recently than you think to help Shumacher. Remember the US grand prix this year when the team told Rubens he was not allowed to over-take Michael after the last set of pit stops... Aparently their drivers cant challenge each other after the last stop, well thats fair enough. But then think further back this season to Monaco, when Shumacher overtook Rubens on the 3rd last corner of the race & nearly caused an accident in the process. Double standards or Team orders from Ferrari??? No never! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Strange 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2005 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPARING THE ETHICS OF FERRARI AND MCLAREN. Ferrari is the scum of the earth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2005 Ethics????? You must be either joking or very naive indeed to believe such a word exists in the world of F1 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HAHA, I would say Formula 1 is made up of Politics not Ethics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taku 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2005 Ethics????? You must be either joking or very naive indeed to believe such a word exists in the world of F1 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> nice one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites