ykickamoocow 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 I put drivers in order of how many Gp's they have won. Michael Schumacher Grand Prix entered: 232 World Championships: 7 Highest race finish: 1 (x84) Highest grid position: 1 (x64) Podiums: 142 Points: 1248 For every GP he enters he scores 5.4 points David Coulthard Grand Prix entered: 194 World Championships: 0 Highest race finish: 1 (x13) Highest grid position: 1 (x12) Podiums: 60 Points: 499 For every GP he enters he scores 2.6 points. Jacques Villeneuve Grand Prix entered: 153 World Championships: 1 Highest race finish: 1 (x11) Highest grid position: 1 (x13) Podiums: 23 Points: 228 For ever GP he enters he scores 1.5 points Rubens Barrichello Grand Prix entered: 218 World Championships: 0 Highest race finish: 1 (x9) Highest grid position: 1 (x13) Podiums: 61 Points: 489 For every GP he enters he scores 2.2 points Kimi R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vas 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 In front of MS achievement everybody else's pales. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F1 FANatic 1 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 you should add the number of years they have been in f1, you should take give explinations for years where a driver was unable to compeat for an extended amount of time though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 Very interesting ykickamoocow but, perhaps you should list machinery and team-mates as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AutoRacer5 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 put em' in IROC, then we'll see how well they do against each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 put em' in IROC, then we'll see how well they do against each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AutoRacer5 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 You know what IROC is, dont you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 You know what IROC is, dont you? Of course, hence the Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ButtonGod 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 Very interesting ykickamoocow but, perhaps you should list machinery and team-mates as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kup 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 Good stats. I can add my rating of above drivers (last 5 years counts) = Driver - Success - Strength = MS 75 42 RB 52 45 KR 51 35 FA 49 34 JPM 41 32 JB 24 24 RS 23 21 JT 19 18 DC 18 16 GF 15 12 NH 7 7 MW 5 5 TS 4 4 FM 2,5 2,5 = note = only VERY strong drivers have more Success =) And TEAMS (note Ferrari = MS+RB, exactly) FER 127 87 MCL 83 59 REN 72 53 WIL 57 51 BAR 28 28 TOY 14 14 SAU 8 8 JOR 6 5 =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2005 If that was done then DC would be considerably lower in the list. Indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 The following stats really stood out for me: David Coulthard Highest race finish: 1 (x13) Highest grid position: 1 (x12) Jacques Villeneuve World Championships: 1 Highest race finish: 1 (x11) Highest grid position: 1 (x13) Rubens Barrichello Highest race finish: 1 (x9) Highest grid position: 1 (x13) DC has had race winning/highly competitive machinery in 1995 at Williams, then from 1997-2003 at McLaren and only has two more wins, and staggeringly one less pole than what JV had in only two seasons of competitive machinery at Williams in 1996 and 1997 (33 races). Rubens has two less wins and the same poles as JV and has been in the best car from 2000-2004. Whilst I acknowledge that David and Rubens have had very strong teammates in Mika and Michael, they did do a poor job given the dominance of their machinery, with Rubens even failing to win a race in 2001 when Ferrari was the class of the field by a long, long way! In 2 seasons, JV accomplished slightly less wins than DC managed in 8 and more than Rubens won in 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ykickamoocow 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 The following stats really stood out for me:David Coulthard Highest race finish: 1 (x13) Highest grid position: 1 (x12) Jacques Villeneuve World Championships: 1 Highest race finish: 1 (x11) Highest grid position: 1 (x13) Rubens Barrichello Highest race finish: 1 (x9) Highest grid position: 1 (x13) DC has had race winning/highly competitive machinery in 1995 at Williams, then from 1997-2003 at McLaren and only has two more wins, and staggeringly one less pole than what JV had in only two seasons of competitive machinery at Williams in 1996 and 1997 (33 races). Rubens has two less wins and the same poles as JV and has been in the best car from 2000-2004. Whilst I acknowledge that David and Rubens have had very strong teammates in Mika and Michael, they did do a poor job given the dominance of their machinery, with Rubens even failing to win a race in 2001 when Ferrari was the class of the field by a long, long way! In 2 seasons, JV accomplished slightly less wins than DC managed in 8 and more than Rubens won in 5. You have also got to remember that DC would have won 3 or even 4 more races if he didnt have to let Hakkinen past, and Barrichello also had to let MS past on several occasions. DC's record would be alot better if McLaren didnt play favourites. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Both were in top class machinery far longer than JV, and even allowing for the circumstances you correctly mentioned, their record wouldn't be THAT much better really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 JV's car in 96-97 was completely dominant. In 97 he only really fought for wins against MS cos Frentzen was useless. When DC had the best car in 98,99,2000, he had to first beat MS & Hakkinen. In 95 he was very new and had to beat MS & Hill to win a race. DC has scored some really impressive wins - monaco 02 stands out, so does Brazil 01 when he passed MS in the wet. JV hasnt really scored any brilliant wins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ykickamoocow 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 JV's car in 96-97 was completely dominant. In 97 he only really fought for wins against MS cos Frentzen was useless. When DC had the best car in 98,99,2000, he had to first beat MS & Hakkinen. In 95 he was very new and had to beat MS & Hill to win a race. DC has scored some really impressive wins - monaco 02 stands out, so does Brazil 01 when he passed MS in the wet. JV hasnt really scored any brilliant wins I completly agree. DC has had some amazing teammates and some amazing competitors. The only year mcLaren had the best car was 1998. Every other year they havent been the best. In 1999 Irvine nearly won the championship so that shows how good the Ferrari was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 1999 Irvine nearly won the championship so that shows how good the Ferrari was. I think it was more a case of mclaren constantly messing up which allowed irv to come so close. But you're right DC has always had top-class team-mates and most of his wins were more impressive than any of JV's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kup 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Top-3-Ever - by some seasons (+won, -lost): (at least 1 must be in Top-3, only full seasons counts) AP-AS = 84+ 85+ 86+ 87- 88- 89+ 90- 91- 93+ = 5+ 4- AP-NP = 80- 81- 83- 84+ 85+ 86+ 87- 88+ 89+ 90+ = 6+ 4- AP-NM = 83+ 84+ 85+ 86+ 87- 88+ 89+ 90+ 91- = 7+ 2- AP-NL = 83+ 84- 85+ = 2+ 1- AS-AP = 84- 85- 86- 87+ 88+ 89- 90+ 91+ 93- = 4+ 5- AS-NP = 86- 87- 88+ 89+ 90+ 91+ = 4+ 2- AS-NM = 86- 87- 88+ 89+ 90+ 91+ 92- = 4+ 3- MS-DH = 93- 94+ 95+ 96- 97+ 98+ = 4+ 2- MS-MH = 92+ 94+ 95+ 96+ 97+ 98- 00+ 01+ = 7+ 1- MS-KR = 01+ 02+ 03+ 04+ 05- = 4+ 1- MS-JPM = 5+ 0- MS-AS = 92+ 93- = 1+ 1- (+3pts -21pts = -18pts) MS-AP = 93- = 1- MS-NM = 92- = 1- Triwia-Qwiz: IF AS was born 5 years later (in 1965) what could be EVER results of AP and MS ?.. even if AS "died" in 94+5 = 99 ... Answer (imho) Prost - more records, Senna - more records, Schum - LESS ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senna 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2005 JV's car in 96-97 was completely dominant. In 97 he only really fought for wins against MS cos Frentzen was useless. When DC had the best car in 98,99,2000, he had to first beat MS & Hakkinen. In 95 he was very new and had to beat MS & Hill to win a race. DC has scored some really impressive wins - monaco 02 stands out, so does Brazil 01 when he passed MS in the wet. JV hasnt really scored any brilliant wins I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 JV's car in 96-97 was completely dominant. In 97 he only really fought for wins against MS cos Frentzen was useless. When DC had the best car in 98,99,2000, he had to first beat MS & Hakkinen. In 95 he was very new and had to beat MS & Hill to win a race. DC has scored some really impressive wins - monaco 02 stands out, so does Brazil 01 when he passed MS in the wet. JV hasnt really scored any brilliant wins As I said, I acknowledged that JV had the weaker teammates. JV's car was utterly dominant in 1996 only. In 1997 it was for the first half, but due to a lack of development since Newey had left, the McLaren was the best car by the end of the year. In 1997, there was more competition than in 1998. In 1997, Williams won 8 races (JV 7, HHF 1), Ferrari 5 (M$), Benetton 1 and McLaren with 3 (DC 2, MH 1). In 1998, only McLaren and Ferrari won races and DC was smashed by Mika. They both had the same car and Mika did a much better job. Yet in a car which was more dominant that JV's 1997 Williams, Mika too almost lost the title to Michael in the last race. No brilliant win?? What rubbish. Nurburgring '96 - held off Michael and was under strong pressure in only his fourth race on an unfamiliar track to win his first race. Estoril '96 - made a bad start to drop to P4 behind Hill, Alesi and Michael. Passed Michael around the outside of Parabolica (he did the impossible basically) and then proceeded to chase down Hill's 20 second lead and win the race. Barcelona '97 - Goodyear runners had major blistering problems. JV held a steady pace at the start of each stint to keep tyres in condition then demolished everyone. Michael and Frentzen suffered massive blisters. A1-Ring '97 - On a 1 stop strategy hence was fat with fuel at the start. Got passed by Jarno and Rubens but then passed Rubens and set off a string of fast laps to win the race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ykickamoocow 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 In 1998, only McLaren and Ferrari won races and DC was smashed by Mika. They both had the same car and Mika did a much better job. Yet in a car which was more dominant that JV's 1997 Williams, Mika too almost lost the title to Michael in the last race. DC beat Mika in both 1997 and 2001. Also over the years DC has had alot of reliablity problems, alot more than his teammate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Yeah I know he beat him then, but the McLaren wasn't a title challenging car in those years. When the McLaren was, Mika smashed him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ykickamoocow 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Yeah I know he beat him then, but the McLaren wasn't a title challenging car in those years. When the McLaren was, Mika smashed him. Just bad luck. If DC did better than Mika in 1998 instead of 1997 then DC would have won. In 1999 he might have beat Mika but DC suffered horrible reliability problems which prevented him from contesting for the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parag 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Just bad luck. If DC did better than Mika in 1998 instead of 1997 then DC would have won. In 1999 he might have beat Mika but DC suffered horrible reliability problems which prevented him from contesting for the title. Reliability was always a big problem at Mclaren in rescent years....one driver gains and other suffers.....same thing happened with renault this year...!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nojvnof1 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2005 Just bad luck. If DC did better than Mika in 1998 instead of 1997 then DC would have won. In 1999 he might have beat Mika but DC suffered horrible reliability problems which prevented him from contesting for the title. Bad luck?? DC only won 1 race in 1998, Mika won 8 I believe. That's exactly my point. DC did better in 1997, but when delivered the car to challenge for the title, Mika found something extra and DC didn't. That's the difference between World Champions and mere race winners. In 1999, both McLaren's were hampered by reliability problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites