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Well the grid demotion penalty certainly helped Alonzo win the race a little bit now, right?

For me he was not a worthy winner.If anyone watched the race on live timing you could see how half the time he was lapping way off the pace.Surely a driver needs to preserve engine and tires but cruising around is racing.

NOT racing that is... :D

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Passing someone when safety car is out

Crossing the "yellow line" when exiting pits

Not yelding when a blue flag is waved at you

Making a mistake and clipping your team mate

Kinda weird that all this happened today. Dunno why you should be punished for "causing an avoidable accident" unless you hit your rival... but when you hit your team mate?!?! Also, almost all accidents are avoidable in some way or another, this rule is VERY general!!!

Anyway, if people want to point a finger an unsportmanship they should just look at fisichella today. Not only did he not yeld with blue flags [from Alonso behind him], he used the confusion to pass his competitors. Firstly, he's abusing the rule of you need 3 blue flags before you must let him pass, secondly he's using people's good nature to move for blue flags as they confuse him for Alonso.

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Well the grid demotion penalty certainly helped Alonzo win the race a little bit now, right?

For me he was not a worthy winner.If anyone watched the race on live timing you could see how half the time he was lapping way off the pace.Surely a driver needs to preserve engine and tires but cruising around is racing.

NOT racing that is... :D

But you can do that in Monaco. and he's probably not the only driver that has done that.

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Not everybody did it.There were some pretty dominant victories in Monaco in the past.no need to get historical.But this type of driving is not exactly what racing is all about.To be on the limit lap after lap is what racing is all about.Surely is the way(more or less) F1 has become lately but the race winner can't be that reassured. :blink:

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Not everybody did it.There were some pretty dominant victories in Monaco in the past.no need to get historical.But this type of driving is not exactly what racing is all about.To be on the limit lap after lap is what racing is all about.Surely is the way(more or less) F1 has become lately but the race winner can't be that reassured. :blink:

I agree with you. But first the FIA should change some rules to see that racing again....like 2 week engine rule.

We can see drivers cruise around the track in almost every race to save the engine...

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I agree with you. But first the FIA should change some rules to see that racing again....like 2 week engine rule.

We can see drivers cruise around the track in almost every race to save the engine...

I agree with you too!!If the cars and the drivers are not pushed to the limits in order to be able to make that little bit of difference between winner and loser then why race?That's what makes it exciting!

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I agree with you too!!If the cars and the drivers are not pushed to the limits in order to be able to make that little bit of difference between winner and loser then why race?That's what makes it exciting!

Maybe theyre not pushing because some of them dont know how to anymore, also when drivers do push to the limits, and f**k up by going beyond, they get sent to the back of the grid for it.

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Maybe theyre not pushing because some of them dont know how to anymore, also when drivers do push to the limits, and f**k up by going beyond, they get sent to the back of the grid for it.

:clap3::thbup:

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We were robbed of a victory today :angry::angry: :angry: :angry:

definetely.People were acting crazy of what THEY THOUGHT was an unfair pole position.How about an unfair race win and championship points???? <_<

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definetely.People were acting crazy of what THEY THOUGHT was an unfair pole position.How about an unfair race win and championship points???? <_<

Unfair race?? :blink: Unfair championship points?? :blink: We could open a new thread for M$ unfair wins etc.... :D

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Unfair race?? :blink: Unfair championship points?? :blink: We could open a new thread for M$ unfair wins etc.... :D

Unfair race WIN.And with it comes the unfair extra championship points... :rolleyes:

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Unfair race?? :blink: Unfair championship points?? :blink: We could open a new thread for M$ unfair wins etc.... :D

and same for mclaren etc.

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Unfair race WIN.And with it comes the unfair extra championship points... :rolleyes:

.....dont really want to start a debate but please explain why alonso win is unfair?? MS was found guilty and that's it...lot of drivers have beed sent back coz of strange circumstances. MS has just become one of those drivers. :)

and same for mclaren etc.

True....count Honda in as well :D

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.....dont really want to start a debate but please explain why alonso win is unfair?? MS was found guilty and that's it...lot of drivers have beed sent back coz of strange circumstances. MS has just become one of those drivers. :)

True....count Honda in as well :D

the thing is that he was most probably found guilty under the pressure of the rest the paddock and the politics within F1.Its not like he did something wrong that would justify the penalty such as brake testing others or deliberately blocking someone or something that points to a direct penalty.Violation of rules=Penalty.In this case it was an assumption that led to the penalty,therefore Alonzo's win was unfair 'cause otherwise as the race unfolded Schumi would have won.

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the thing is that he was most probably found guilty under the pressure of the rest the paddock and the politics within F1.Its not like he did something wrong that would justify the penalty such as brake testing others or deliberately blocking someone or something that points to a direct penalty.Violation of rules=Penalty.In this case it was an assumption that led to the penalty,therefore Alonzo's win was unfair 'cause otherwise as the race unfolded Schumi would have won.

Instead of would have won you should say could have won. :D

MS is not the only driver that had to go all the way back and the race and alonso's win is fair just like MS win in Imola or Germany.

Even if the "mistake from MS was not on purpose and was really a driver error the penalty is justified. Many times Ferrari and MS got away with it. So for sure you had to know that someday they will get penalty.

Sadly for them it happened in Monaco.

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the thing is that he was most probably found guilty under the pressure of the rest the paddock and the politics within F1.Its not like he did something wrong that would justify the penalty such as brake testing others or deliberately blocking someone or something that points to a direct penalty.Violation of rules=Penalty.In this case it was an assumption that led to the penalty,therefore Alonzo's win was unfair 'cause otherwise as the race unfolded Schumi would have won.

He was sent to the back beacause he cheated, simple. It's his fault that he started from the back.

Those of you who think he's innocent have completely lost the plot. :lolroll:

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the thing is that he was most probably found guilty under the pressure of the rest the paddock and the politics within F1.Its not like he did something wrong that would justify the penalty such as brake testing others or deliberately blocking someone or something that points to a direct penalty.Violation of rules=Penalty.In this case it was an assumption that led to the penalty,therefore Alonzo's win was unfair 'cause otherwise as the race unfolded Schumi would have won.

Dont worry, when the rating drop coz all the ferrai fans stop watching, the FIA will find a way to give back a few wins to MS ;)

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This was a home race decision pure and simple, fissi holds up someone and has only his best 3 laps dissallowed, Schumi holds up someone(Alonso) his whole session is thrown out. Nice to be a French team in a race on the French coast :eusa_think:

And where in the rulebook does it say to add on to the penalty for suposed past infractions, ie: he has it coming to him :eusa_think:

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Dont worry, when the rating drop coz all the ferrai fans stop watching, the FIA will find a way to give back a few wins to MS ;)

Trust me this wont happen....why? Coz even if Ferrari suck the ferrari fans will watch F1....

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Instead of would have won you should say could have won. :D

MS is not the only driver that had to go all the way back and the race and alonso's win is fair just like MS win in Imola or Germany.

Even if the "mistake from MS was not on purpose and was really a driver error the penalty is justified. Many times Ferrari and MS got away with it. So for sure you had to know that someday they will get penalty.

Sadly for them it happened in Monaco.

Well if that's the way it's going to be from now on maybe we ll get to see some f1 drivers arrested for damaging property(after crashes) even for attempt of murder if someone gets hurt or something.The rules have to be within the nature of the sport.Thats what i think at least!!!This decision is going to bring some real trouble for F1!

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This was a home race decision pure and simple, fissi holds up someone and has only his best 3 laps dissallowed, Schumi holds up someone(Alonso) his whole session is thrown out. Nice to be a French team in a race on the French coast :eusa_think:

Not just alonso but every1 on the track...Fissi was only blocking JV.

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This was a home race decision pure and simple, fissi holds up someone and has only his best 3 laps dissallowed, Schumi holds up someone(Alonso) his whole session is thrown out. Nice to be a French team in a race on the French coast :eusa_think:

This is a very oportunist comentary, its all Schumys fault, he tried to cheat and he must be punished for this, there was an unamimity on the paddock, all the drivers, stewards, all the people wanted this because it was clear, schumy wanted to cheat again.....

And no only alonso was in his fast lap, raikkonen, coulthard and more drivers were harmed by schumy trick. And cant compre the Fiss thing with what schumy did, plz.....

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Well if that's the way it's going to be from now on maybe we ll get to see some f1 drivers arrested for damaging property(after crashes) even for attempt of murder if someone gets hurt or something.The rules have to be within the nature of the sport.Thats what i think at least!!!This decision is going to bring some real trouble for F1!

Rules in F1 are in big trouble already...I agree that some1 can say that XX driver tried to kill him or hurt him, but I doubt that they will go to extreme.

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Not just alonso but every1 on the track...Fissi was only blocking JV.

every1 on the track being who other than Alonso?

It is also worth bearing in mind that Renault were the first to jump when it came to making the protest, despite the fact that Alonso was clearly going very fast under WAVED YELLOWS.

A much fairer way would have been to clear schumis car THEN allow Alonso to have another fast lap as compensation, but ooh that might have meant he still didn't get pole. This was all a bigger screwjob than Survivor Series 97.

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