Alonso Criticizes Team And Teammate Again

[Autumnpuma 0]

Welcome, RxRacer! I agree with your post!

Looking at aggregate fast race laps this season so far (excluding Melbourne), we have:

Alonso beats Fisichella by 5.611 seconds.

M.Schumacher beats Massa by: .634 seconds

(Also, at the USGP the gap between Alonso and Fisichella's fast laps was:.185 seconds)

The championship points gap is as follows:

Fisichella is 50pts behind Alonso.

Massa is 37pts behind M.Schumacher.

We can see from this crude sampling that Fisichella is not performing as well for Renault as Massa is for Ferrari. In fact, Massa is faster than Fisichella. Of the four drivers in question, Alonso is the fastest, with M.Schumacher right behind, then Massa and finally Fisichella. Aside from the USGP, Fish has been consistantly slower than Alonso; this is a non-debatable fact.

Concerning Alonso's remark, in order for your teammate to help (as in making a cushion between you and the competition) your teammate needs to stay right behind you in grid position. Fish has proven incapable (except for Spa '05, I think) of doing this. Massa isn't much better, but he seems to be learning faster.

[Jean Todt 4]

Frstly, whats this whole 'If Alonsos head gets any bigger...." crap? All i've ever seen from FA is a perfect mix of confidence and humility. Did he carry on like JV or JPM during Schumis Monaco 'incident'? He was the person most affected by it, yet he answered 'I have my opinion, but its not to say here'. Primarily, he's a quiet, non-talkative sort of guy whos intensely focused on F1 and winning. You guys seem to think that because hes calm, confident, and the current world champion, that anything negative he says is arrogant and big headed. Why shouldnt he say what he said about GF? Now that Felipes used to the ferrari hes only ever fractionally behind MS. Giancarlo on the other hand, in his second season with Renault, is CONSISTENTLY behind FA. Theres an obvious difference between them, more than MS and FM, so why shouldnt he mention it if asked? And just cos he said something, who said he's suddenly 'whinging'?, and gonna blame GF if he doesnt win the championship? Please, you really need to find another way to make yourselves feel 'all-knowing'

I commend Fernando for saying something. F1 is business, and so far FA's closest and most important workmate is taking way too many days off. The funniest comments ive read in this post are the people who say 'Giancarlo cant help it if hes not as quick as Fernando, leave him alone'..... are you serious?!?!?... F1 isnt a sunday family picnic where little johnny cant kick the ball as far as his brother? GF should be chastised every other day. Up until the last 2 races (and still the best now, with Ferarri) hes had the fastest car on the grid. He's almost always super slow, and the way Fernando put it was kind to say the least. This isnt a situation where we should all 'weave poor widdle Fisi awone'. This is a multi billion dollar sport, and i dont care what anyone says, no human, not even kimi, schumi or alonso, are THAT much faster than their next best rival or teammate. Massa proves it. Even pedro proved it in his recent first race for OVER A YEAR when he set a faster race lap than Kimi, and was catching him when he got clear. Fisi is mentally damaged goods. You can see it in the way he blames everyone but himself whenever he doesnt perform (which is pretty well every race). He's broken by his temmates success, and I dont think anyone should 'leave him alone'.

welcome RXracer!! agreed!!!!! good post!!

though i am not a fan of alonso, i think hes been bashed in this forum a lot of times when he didnt deserve! (esp..when some jobless newspaper guys published a photo of him showin a middle finger, which i belive is a fake)

[cavallino 2]

We can see from this crude sampling that Fisichella is not performing as well for Renault as Massa is for Ferrari.

Hardly. Fisichella has had car problems in Bahrain, Australia and Silverstone for no fault of his own. All Alonso has had is one bad qualifying session due to overfuelling. He has outperformed Alonso in Sepang and Indy. Massa has only outperformed Michael once.

They'd be pretty even in my opinion.

[Autumnpuma 0]

Hardly. Fisichella has had car problems in Bahrain, Australia and Silverstone for no fault of his own. All Alonso has had is one bad qualifying session due to overfuelling. He has outperformed Alonso in Sepang and Indy. Massa has only outperformed Michael once.

They'd be pretty even in my opinion.

You're welcome to that opinion. The greater F1 viewing audience has a different opinion, perhaps closer to mine and based on what we see. Fisi is slower than Alonso. He was last year and he is this year. But he'll be around next year to be beaten up by Kimi...

...and he'll be fast, in your opinon, then, right?

EDIT: My DATA was taken from fastest race laps. That is a fairly good indication of speed, short of aggregating all the race laps for all the races so far. Excuses about car trouble only go so far. Also, you mention Fisi had trouble in Australia..I didn't calculate Australia because Massa didn't set a fast lap there, so I left it out. That left 2 races (by your account) where Fisi had car troubles and 2 races where Alonso had issues. Even with the equality of problems, Fisi still ends up 5 seconds slower, on the whole, than Alonso.

[cavallino 2]

I mean Fisi and Massa's performance this year is even, not Fisi and Alonso.

As I said earlier, Kimi hasn't beaten a teammate in his first year in a team yet, so you never know

[Autumnpuma 0]

I mean Fisi and Massa's performance this year is even, not Fisi and Alonso.

As I said earlier, Kimi hasn't beaten a teammate in his first year in a team yet, so you never know

Indeed, but I wasn't comparing Massa to Fisi directly. I was comparing how Fisi relates to Alonso and how Massa relates to MS. Massa is closer to his teammate in lap times than is Fisi to his. Also, Massa seemed to qualify nearer to MS to theoretically 'help' him more than did Fisi to Alonso.

[schumi13 0]

Hardly. Fisichella has had car problems in Bahrain, Australia and Silverstone for no fault of his own. All Alonso has had is one bad qualifying session due to overfuelling. He has outperformed Alonso in Sepang and Indy. Massa has only outperformed Michael once.

They'd be pretty even in my opinion.

Remember Fisi outperformed Alonso because of overfuelling in Sepang though. But you have a point that Renault haven't really given Fisi better treatment than Alonso. Except for being first to use the updated engines which is probably theoretically benefiting Alonso even more with Fisi testing the engine for Alonso who will use it when he can have a fresh engine.

[Player(1) 0]

Remember Fisi outperformed Alonso because of overfuelling in Sepang though. But you have a point that Renault haven't really given Fisi better treatment than Alonso. Except for being first to use the updated engines which is probably theoretically benefiting Alonso even more with Fisi testing the engine for Alonso who will use it when he can have a fresh engine.

Renault give both their drivers the same treatment, if that was untrue they would be concintrating purely on Fisi

They kept talking up Fisi's chances of winning the 2006 WDC, they take full blame for every problem he has had and they signed him again....they know they don't need to give Alonso so much attention for him to perform which mean's if anything Fisi gets all the special treatment. Flavio personally give's Fisi a reacharound to try and save Renault's construtor championship hopes.

I'd love to see someone prove Renault intentionally got Fisi on a different engine cycle so he would test new spec engines first and that being some kind of a downside since Renault engineering is bulletproof these days.

[nojvnof1 0]

All Alonso has had is one bad qualifying session due to overfuelling. He has outperformed Alonso in Sepang and Indy

That overfuelling you mention was the reason Fisi outperformed Alonso.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Alonso Wants To Destroy Schumacher!

Dale Calkins

Fernando Alonso states that he wants to win this weekend's German Grand Prix specifically to psychological destroy Schumacher. While the Spaniard wants to win every Grand Prix remaining this season, this one is specifically important to him. This is what Fernando had to say:

"It's important to beat Michael at every race, not just Hockenheim! We know that at this stage of the season, we have to be finishing in front of the Ferrari's. But I think that a win in Germany could be worth more than ten points because of the psychological aspect. I try to win all the races, but it would mean a lot to take the victory here."

Ferrari is coming off of two very strong results and Renault will be key to steal Ferrari's fire before the Italian squad can make a serious impact on their Championship defence. No matter what happens, the German Grand Prix should be a very exciting event.

www.sportnetwork.com article

Please Alonso, stop babbling about and do your talking on the track! You won't "break" or destroy Shumie with this crap!!!!

[tifosi too! 0]

Yea he seems to forget that MS has been in F1 for 15 years and raced against the best.If someone does crack by the end of the season, it won't be him

[Player(1) 0]

Alonso Wants To Destroy Schumacher!

Dale Calkins

Fernando Alonso states that he wants to win this weekend's German Grand Prix specifically to psychological destroy Schumacher. While the Spaniard wants to win every Grand Prix remaining this season, this one is specifically important to him. This is what Fernando had to say:

"It's important to beat Michael at every race, not just Hockenheim! We know that at this stage of the season, we have to be finishing in front of the Ferrari's. But I think that a win in Germany could be worth more than ten points because of the psychological aspect. I try to win all the races, but it would mean a lot to take the victory here."

Ferrari is coming off of two very strong results and Renault will be key to steal Ferrari's fire before the Italian squad can make a serious impact on their Championship defence. No matter what happens, the German Grand Prix should be a very exciting event.

www.sportnetwork.com article

Please Alonso, stop babbling about and do your talking on the track! You won't "break" or destroy Shumie with this crap!!!!

eeerrr he didnt say anything about crushing, destroying or breaking anyone

Would stop their winning streak, stopping Ferrari when they have momentum is very valuable to the point's and it would even out any psychological effects from Renault being beaten in France.

Alonso out to deal psychological blow

From ITV-Sport (Dale Calkins needs to take notes on how to report news)

Fernando Alonso believes that he can deliver a psychological blow to championship rival Michael Schumacher by winning the German

[kiko01 0]

Please Alonso, stop babbling about and do your talking on the track! You won't "break" or destroy Shumie with this crap!!!!

You

[Autumnpuma 0]

Two 'ifs' may prevent an Alonso win in Germany:

If Michelin shows up with a tire unfit to the track conditions.

If Alonso can't pull off a series of blistering laps around his and Schumacher's pits. This has been Alonso's main weakness so far this season and he needs to pull his thumb out if he's going to beat Schumacher to the crown.

Alonso could settle for a string of 2nd places and still win, but what kind of victory would that be? He would have the crown, but the knowledge that he could not beat Schumacher would taint it.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Alonso could settle for a string of 2nd places and still win, but what kind of victory would that be? He would have the crown, but the knowledge that he could not beat Schumacher would taint it.

Thats pretty much how he won his 2005 title - consistently slower than the fastest driver but consistent driving and reliable car. Thats why I really want schuey to win it this year, if he does it will be by far his best championship victory

[ykickamoocow 0]

I really want schuey to win it this year

Blasphemy.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Blasphemy.

I know, I've always hated schumacher's guts - but since alonso came along i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY don't want alonso to win, I dont care who beats him, even if its that miserable arse Raikkonen

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Thats pretty much how he won his 2005 title - consistently slower than the fastest driver but consistent driving and reliable car.

That much is true....

[Wez 0]

Thats pretty much how he won his 2005 title - consistently slower than the fastest driver but consistent driving and reliable car. Thats why I really want schuey to win it this year, if he does it will be by far his best championship victory

I thought we got over this...

He was consistantly driving a car thats was a lot slower than both Mclarens... BUT Kimi/Mclaren managed to self destruct race after race... Leaving near-faultless Alonso to drive on by!

Personally I love all this hatred towards Alonso, because it shows one thing... He is currently the best and you all see him as a threat and therefore attempt to bash him at every opportunity.

Carry on though, im not going to argue with fans of drivers whose careers consist of ifs & buts over this matter.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I will carry on don't worry

[cavallino 2]

Me too And I always post direct quotes, not sensationalist headlines.

[Autumnpuma 0]

Me too And I always post direct quotes, not sensationalist headlines.

Ah, but some quotes are sensationalist in nature and design

Not that you'd post any of those.....

[kiko01 0]

Alonso could settle for a string of 2nd places and still win, but what kind of victory would that be? He would have the crown, but the knowledge that he could not beat Schumacher would taint it.

Weak memory? So far nobody has won more races than FA this year. Some racers who still have to show they can deliver are highly praised here but Fernando, the guy who has achieved more than any other driver in the history of motorsport (at the age of 24 i mean) is constantly under doubt. What has the guy to do? Win races in wich his car is clearly slower than his main rival one

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Weak memory? So far nobody has won more races than FA this year. Some racers who still have to show they can deliver are highly praised here but Fernando, the guy who has achieved more than any other driver in the history of motorsport (at the age of 24 i mean) is constantly under doubt. What has the guy to do? Win races in wich his car is clearly slower than his main rival one

[nojvnof1 0]

But it would be better to keep winning and show who's boss, rather than settle for podiums!!!

I don't think Alonso is 'settling for podiums'. He and the team are pushing hard as the threat from Michael and Ferrari is one to be wary of, very wary.